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[sentinel]

Anyone tried Clenbuterol? Seems like a safer version of Ephedrine, although some may have the opinion that's like saying your better off sticking you head in a tigers mouth than a lion's...

[Shepard]

ALRI Venom Hyperdrive

This stuff is awesome for random use. I'm not too crazy about daily use of the stuff, though.

Anyone tried Clenbuterol?

It's not nearly as useful for weight loss as ephedrine for most people or from a long term situation, IMO.

[sentinel]

It's not nearly as useful for weight loss as ephedrine for most people or from a long term situation, IMO.

Why the opinion on the long term effectiveness, down-regulation of beta 2 receptors? This can be augmented by rotating/alternating with the ephedrine stack (w/ caffeine, asprin etc).

..or does it just make you shake like a leaf?

[Shepard]

Mostly because the majority of experiences with clen show that its not really effective past the first couple of cycles. You've got anti-histamines to try to resensitize receptors, but it still doesn't seem to work for any significant length of time for most people. I've never tried using it more than once, myself.

Ephedrine, on the other hand, can be used much longer (for dieting purposes, anyway) and does not lose its effectiveness.

[sentinel]

Well, I have a largish batch on the way which I'll probably do a 2 week on/two week off with the Ephedrine stack which is supposed to reduce/negate the diminishing receptor returns but 3 months will probably be my max total period as fat loss is fine as a phase but not a way of life [thumb]

[nootropolis]

Just a note, when I was into body building, I tried many main stream stimulants (Venom Hyperdrive, e/c/a, low dose ephedra, and yohimbe)
Really, unless you want to deal with hurting your brain or body, you have to to take doses so low, the effects are almost negligible.
Low dose ephedra was great for appetite suppression but after 2 or more consecutive days of taking it, I couldn't sleep at night.
The others are similar in effect, except for yohimbe, which is great for libido, but only occasionally.

What worked for me was practicing self-discipline, The word practicing is most important here because it is a challenge to me.
For my diet, I stopped taking all stimulants, including caffeine and tea, until I could get myself and my appetite under control,
only after you have your foundation under control can you start to add things and really tell if they are beneficial.

good luck

[unbreakable]

I think you should go for this quality Hoodia product http://www.iherb.com...Vcaps/1109?at=0 ! Chromium and Pyruvate might help too.

Anyone tried Clenbuterol?

I tried it years ago. Beta receptors adapt to it, so you have to cycle. It's more effective than ECA IMHO, but I wouldn't call it safer. The most effective and by far most dangerous weight loss drug is 2,4-Dinitrophenol.

Edited by unbreakable, 10 April 2009 - 09:13 AM.

[sentinel]

Christ this subject was from 2 years ago. So Mitkat, by now your brother could have won a few competative BB contests, or made president. How did he do?

[unbreakable]

I did just look at the date of the post above me