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#1 danielddd1

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Posted 17 April 2007 - 06:25 AM


Hi im new to this forum and awaiting my order of piracetam.ive used it before with good results a couple of years ago.ive been doing some reading that hydergine works great with piracetam so am thinking about getting some.

i have some questions about it-

one of the reasons i love piracetam because it completly safe for to use if you have epilepsy(which i have) and doesnt interact poorly with my medication (carbamazapine).im just wondering if hydergine will be a problem with my epilepsy and or medication.

another reason i love piracetam is because it is so safe and non toxic, and is safe for long term use. is hydergine also safe and non toxic ,can it be used longterm?

id really appreciate you helping me out here.thnx

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Posted 17 April 2007 - 02:38 PM

Hi im new to this forum and awaiting my order of piracetam.ive used it before with good results a couple of years ago.ive been doing some reading that hydergine works great with piracetam so am thinking about getting some.

i have some questions about it-

one of the reasons i love piracetam because it completly safe for to use if you have epilepsy(which i have) and doesnt interact poorly with my medication (carbamazapine).im just wondering if hydergine will be a problem with my epilepsy and or medication.

another reason i love piracetam is because it is so safe and non toxic, and is safe for long term use. is hydergine also safe and non toxic ,can it be used longterm?

id really appreciate you helping me out here.thnx


Piracetam is great if you have epilepsy. In fact, it has been shown that it decreases the quantity of seizures in some types of epilepsy.

I am not sure about hydergine.

Do not take nootropics for a long term. It is better to make periodic breaks.

Also try taking Magnesium and Taurine supplements.

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#3 danielddd1

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Posted 17 April 2007 - 04:09 PM

thnx for the reply,i know of piracetams antiseizure effect,although it doesnt pertain to my type of epilepsy,it still will do no harm. Im interested in hydergines effects on epilepsy though , i seem to remember reading it was first used to treat epilepsy in the 70's, but i could be mixing it up with another drug.

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Posted 17 April 2007 - 05:10 PM

thnx for the reply,i know of piracetams antiseizure effect,although it doesnt pertain to my type of epilepsy,it still will do no harm. Im interested in hydergines effects on epilepsy though , i seem to remember reading it was first used to treat epilepsy in the 70's, but i could be mixing it up with another drug.


What type of seizures do you have?

#5 danielddd1

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Posted 18 April 2007 - 04:22 AM

temporal lobe complex partial seizures

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Posted 18 April 2007 - 11:16 AM

the herb Magnolia might be weary useful for epilepsy it primarily effect levels of gaba and acetylcholine. the drugs available for this disorder dos not have any effect on acetylcholine but some think that drugs in the future to treat epilepsy will. as it has the ability to calm nerve system but with out casing sedation. I take magnolia my self some times and it has, even in large doses, a calming effect but with out casing sedation. in china this herb is used for epilepsy (however I have never heard of temporal lobe complex partial seizures).

this might be a valuable piece of information for you (I’m not American that’s way this might be written in a strange way).

#7 danielddd1

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Posted 18 April 2007 - 04:47 PM

hi thnx, ill check that herb out, it seems interesting.does this herb have an effect on libido?

Edited by danielddd1, 18 April 2007 - 05:13 PM.


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Posted 19 April 2007 - 02:54 PM

hi thnx, ill check that herb out, it seems interesting.does this herb have an effect on libido?


It might but I don’t think it’s used for that purpose in particular however I’m pretty sure it doesn’t suppress libido as carbamzepine and similar drugs seams to do. It’s also useful for digestive problems as well as respiratory problems and asthma. A larger dos say 200-400 mg extract Indus relaxation, not at all a drug like or sedating effect, in Japan they make a the of the herb witch is widely used among people in general (the actual dos is les consumed like that).

The reason why I have some knowledge abbot this herb is that my younger half brother hade a series of seizures a couple of years ago. We hade bin working out at the gym and was running home to get the aerobic exercise as well, when he suddenly collapse at first I thought he was trying to be funny (as he often dos and apparently really believe he is) he was kind of twisting he’s body but was still at consciousness. Soon he was having convulsions throw his body and I realist that he was hawing an epileptic seizure.

I didn’t now any thing abbot the disorder, no one in my family hade it neither did any one I know or ever known. I was devastated as a certain responsibility lies on the older brother I was determined to at least make sure he got the best treatment possible. I don’t think to highly of mainstream medications (except emergency care) as I luck in to the regular drugs and their possible side effects I was wondering what his future might be like. As I went with him to his doctor making a dispute with him he was clearly irritated as I was how still was a high school student was questioning his authority (Later it turned out I was the one how wear right).

To star with I gave him my taurin supplement 500mg to times a day combined with Calcium/magnesium (I think every person with epilepsy should take a taurin supplement as high levels of glutamate typical for epilepsy cases taurin to brake down faster.). This improved his condition to some extent. As it a apparently wasn’t enough I got him L-theanine 200mg (with protects brain cells from the toxicity of exes glutamate) to times a day, a the time I that this was the best way to increase GABA. And it apparently workt weary well I and his family thought was ok but after a couple of month he had a little seizures with out unconsciousness.

At that point I started to consider adding a herb to his “medicine” and that’s how I got interested in magnolia I told him to take 200mg twice a day and this completely stop his seizures, to this day he has hade non (This was abbot 3 years a go). Lately he has decreased the dos of magnolia to 100mg twice a day as well as the L-theanine to 100mg twice a day.

I remember lucking I to magnolias and other herbs toxicity and I was surprised that herbs with such a strong effect on neurochemistry could be almost non toxic, toxicity is of obviously an important issue as far as long term medication is concerned. I’m not sure I can recall this correctly but if the dos of hole dried magnolia bark used traditionally would be with in the rage of 3 to 9 gram I think the corresponding dos of high quality extract would be 400mg-800mg. the herb do contain some thing (cant remember what its called) that is associated with toxicity in extreme doses such as 1,2 punds or similar. Regular medication is far more toxic in active dos how ever.

Edited by narcissistic, 19 April 2007 - 03:22 PM.


#9 danielddd1

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Posted 20 April 2007 - 04:23 AM

HI thnx for the info , i know how crappy epilepsy can be ,and im also not to fond of conventional medicine,i googled magnolia but couldnt find any info for its use in epilepsy,could you give me some links if possible.i ordered some L-theanine last week , plus some bacopa which also is good for epilepsy.im tired of my carbamazapine the side effects suck.just curious what kind of epilepsy does your brother have and how long has he been seizure free?

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Posted 20 April 2007 - 12:54 PM

Hello daniel. I’m not sure of temporal lobe complex partial seizures because I never herd of it, maybe carbamazepie is the one alternative for you. how ever my brother did weary well on: magnolia taurine and L-theanine, He has bin fine for three years now (witch is of cores completely anecdotal). In his case no brain damage was fund nether did the EGG show any abnormality’s. how high the dos of carbamazepine you require in order to be free from seizure might give you some idée of how likely it its that herbs combined with amino asides will work for you, and in that case how large doses you will need. How ever some supplements, even though the examples are few, is not to be combined with other supplements herbs or drugs; For instants vitamin B6 witch you might have luckt in to is useful for epilepsy, but shouldn’t in large doses be combined with I don’t now abbot carbaamzepin in particularly but at least shouldn’t be combined with some of the medications belonging to the same category. Not all herbs are to be recommended for unlimited us neither. One other important aspect is to be aware of the fact that many investigations calming to be made by an scientificall approach really isn’t.

As far as the traditional us of magnolia is concerned it seams as if it mostly has bin used for respiratory problems and asthma. I remember thoroughly lucking in to how high the doses for traditional long-term us was (if you consider this I suggest you do the same) and then what quality the extract was in order to establish how match of the extract might be reasonable to take on a daily basis, ones again if I recall correctly it was 400-800mg. At this dos I have a blur memory of finding a report proving its anti convolutional effect. I also spook to an herbalist how told me that that throw his opinion magnolia was a valuable herb to treat epilepsy, safe for long term us. Many of the herbs and supplements used of epilepsy (bacopa is a god example) and other brain disorders actually have a positive effect on the brain. Some mean that using these gives a better prospect of becoming well and in the future manage with out any substance (people remaining free from seizures on regular medication might, if they are lucky, do so as well). But more importantly herbs doesn’t case the same side effects some times the user even gets a positive effect (maybe it’s theoretically possible making chemicals with these qualities as well, however the mainstream drugs available to day doesn’t have it)

My one experience from magnolia is limited to occasional us in doses of 200 milligram witch for me is sufficient to Indus a calming effect, jet I feel completely clear and can study effectively if I need to. Neither did my brother experience any sedating effect, what happens in larger doses however I can’t tell. I think magnolia and L-theanine both are interesting Primarily because they don’t case sedation.

Edited by narcissistic, 20 April 2007 - 02:23 PM.


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Posted 08 August 2007 - 09:55 PM

Hello daniel. I am a medical consultant and a member of royal college of physicians and surgeons.
Complex partial seizures of temporal lobe origin are difficult to treat. however i would advise you not to discontinue carbamazipine.(By the way how old are you and what dose are you taking?) in addition i would recomend that you take taurine 500mg twice a day with theanine 50mg twice a day and selenium once a day.
A lot of my patients are on this regimen and are seizure free 2 years.
i hope that this infor mation may be useful to you.




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