http://www.economist...tory_id=8954632
A computer at MIT can recognize shapes, objects, and animals 82% of the time. By contrast the humans tested got it right 80% of the time.
This is a pretty huge leap.
Posted 24 April 2007 - 04:16 AM
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Posted 24 April 2007 - 05:31 PM
Posted 24 April 2007 - 05:59 PM
True. I guess if AI gets smart enough to fool any captcha we throw at it, then it should be allowed to register for emails and things because it will be no different from a human in that respect, and deserves to have its own email.They'll just get more challenging. e.g. Pick out the doberman or more attractive woman from a set of 4 pictures. At some point you'll have to trick the AI into proving it's too smart.
E.g. calculate how long it would take a dolphin to swim from New York to St Louis.
Human: **** you.
AI: 7.328332 days
Posted 24 April 2007 - 07:39 PM
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Posted 24 April 2007 - 08:55 PM
would it be allowed to have separate junk and porn email addresses too?
I'm excited about AI, but I am actually growing legitimately fearful AI will take my job (music signal processors are getting better and better each year (no, it's not a bad thing, as that frees me to do other things to benefit the economy... but it is going to undermine the value of a skill in which I've heavily invested). At least I'm in a field that has some sort of permanence AI could never replace - I'm not an instrumentalist, I'm a musician. ;-D
I could rant about the future of computing right now, and how scary it is that it's actually right up on top of us, but I'll save that for another time.
Posted 24 April 2007 - 09:29 PM
I wonder what happens when all but a handful of jobs are done by AI. You would think you would need someone to consume the products and services you are providing with the AI.would it be allowed to have separate junk and porn email addresses too?
I'm excited about AI, but I am actually growing legitimately fearful AI will take my job (music signal processors are getting better and better each year (no, it's not a bad thing, as that frees me to do other things to benefit the economy... but it is going to undermine the value of a skill in which I've heavily invested). At least I'm in a field that has some sort of permanence AI could never replace - I'm not an instrumentalist, I'm a musician. ;-D
I could rant about the future of computing right now, and how scary it is that it's actually right up on top of us, but I'll save that for another time.
I work in IT and nearly all projects I work on are to eliminate every manual process that requires human interaction. We often joke about 1-person insurance companies, telcos, banks, utilities, etc. but it really is trending in that direction. Automation is displacing blue collar work, rules engines and AI are displacing white collar work. Self service everything is cutting out whole layers of customer support and businesses that served as middle-men. Standards, APIs and template design patterns are even eroding quite a bit of the work I've done in the past. Surely this is helping free people up for other higher-level work but will we cross some threshold where all of the inefficiencies of human labor are driven out and there just isn't a return on investment when it comes to using human ingenuity over some off-the-shelf AI engine that can learn basic repetitive tasks? Also, what happens when automation becomes cheaper than unskilled manual labor? In general, I would suggest that if there is anything you see in your day to day job that can be done more efficiently by a computer or robot, retool your skillset.
Posted 24 April 2007 - 10:57 PM
Posted 25 April 2007 - 12:53 AM
This discussion reminded me of a "motivational" poster someone emailed me.would it be allowed to have separate junk and porn email addresses too?
I'm excited about AI, but I am actually growing legitimately fearful AI will take my job (music signal processors are getting better and better each year (no, it's not a bad thing, as that frees me to do other things to benefit the economy... but it is going to undermine the value of a skill in which I've heavily invested). At least I'm in a field that has some sort of permanence AI could never replace - I'm not an instrumentalist, I'm a musician. ;-D
I could rant about the future of computing right now, and how scary it is that it's actually right up on top of us, but I'll save that for another time.
I work in IT and nearly all projects I work on are to eliminate every manual process that requires human interaction. We often joke about 1-person insurance companies, telcos, banks, utilities, etc. but it really is trending in that direction. Automation is displacing blue collar work, rules engines and AI are displacing white collar work. Self service everything is cutting out whole layers of customer support and businesses that served as middle-men. Standards, APIs and template design patterns are even eroding quite a bit of the work I've done in the past. Surely this is helping free people up for other higher-level work but will we cross some threshold where all of the inefficiencies of human labor are driven out and there just isn't a return on investment when it comes to using human ingenuity over some off-the-shelf AI engine that can learn basic repetitive tasks? Also, what happens when automation becomes cheaper than unskilled manual labor? In general, I would suggest that if there is anything you see in your day to day job that can be done more efficiently by a computer or robot, retool your skillset.
Posted 25 April 2007 - 04:37 AM
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Posted 25 April 2007 - 07:03 AM
Posted 25 April 2007 - 10:04 AM
Another one of those fellows compared the coming robot/AI revolution to an ocean that keeps rising. We humans are on a mountain and everytime the water rises we say "well, those jobs are repetitive and boring, we humans still do the important jobs". We keep saying that, but we cannot move any higher (bounded by evolution). We are at the top of the mountain, and the water keeps rising faster (AI keeps taking over more important jobs). The water will keep rising until it goes over our heads. Then what? Build a boat and live a life of liesure just floating around aimlessly in a vast ocean of AI? Or join forces with the ocean?
Posted 25 April 2007 - 11:15 AM
Posted 25 April 2007 - 11:31 AM
Posted 25 April 2007 - 01:36 PM
Do you mean between the stand-up stalls, or do you mean between the sit-down stalls? I don't know if I could go "number 2" with somebody sitting right next to me...no dividers in the bathrooms, etc.
Posted 25 April 2007 - 02:07 PM
Thanks for those thoughts, Mind. I hadn't thought of it like that before. I suppose in the second scenario I would choose to join with the ocean and hope I didn't get dispersed out too much.The AI/robots taking over the economy has been discussed for decades, and it keeps getting closer. Even my job is under pressure.
I am not sure who the following ideas can be attributed to but I think it might be Marvin Minsky and Hans Moravec (maybe Rodney Brooks?). One of them said that having the entire economy taken over by bots would be like getting back our birth-rite. Back in the hunter-gatherer days, if you lived in a favorable climate with plenty of food and few predators, your life was basically liesure. If AIs do all the work then we can just relax.
Another one of those fellows compared the coming robot/AI revolution to an ocean that keeps rising. We humans are on a mountain and everytime the water rises we say "well, those jobs are repetitive and boring, we humans still do the important jobs". We keep saying that, but we cannot move any higher (bounded by evolution). We are at the top of the mountain, and the water keeps rising faster (AI keeps taking over more important jobs). The water will keep rising until it goes over our heads. Then what? Build a boat and live a life of liesure just floating around aimlessly in a vast ocean of AI? Or join forces with the ocean?
Posted 25 April 2007 - 08:39 PM
Posted 25 April 2007 - 08:56 PM
I wonder, would this life of leasure be evenly distributed amongst the world's citizens? Or would we end up with a powerful ruling class in the nation that got there first, their dominance maintained by keeping the rest of the world in relative poverty?...having the entire economy taken over by bots would be like getting back our birth-rite. Back in the hunter-gatherer days, if you lived in a favorable climate with plenty of food and few predators, your life was basically liesure. If AIs do all the work then we can just relax.
Posted 26 April 2007 - 12:04 AM
Posted 29 April 2007 - 08:52 AM
I wonder, would this life of leasure be evenly distributed amongst the world's citizens? Or would we end up with a powerful ruling class in the nation that got there first, their dominance maintained by keeping the rest of the world in relative poverty?
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