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#1 wydell

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Posted 03 May 2007 - 01:09 PM


From http://www.lef.org/m...vitamink_02.htm

"While K2 may be more important in bone mineralization than K1, the amount of K2 absorbed from the gut provides only a fraction of the total daily requirement.17 Laboratory and some human data now suggest that K1 is in fact converted to K2 in tissues.18,19 This means that supplementing with vitamin K1 produces reliable absorption and supports all the important functions discussed in this article."

Given the above quote, does it make good economic sense to supplement with Vitamin K2 since K2 is at least 4x the price of K1.

#2 mediumspiny

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Posted 03 May 2007 - 01:47 PM

Given the above quote, does it make good economic sense to supplement with Vitamin K2 since K2 is at least 4x the price of K1.

I thought the same thing when I read that article. But when I looked around for cheaper alternatives supplying the same dosage of vitamin K in any form, I couldn't find them. That doesn't mean they don't exist (and TIA for anyone who points out where to get cheaper Vitamin K), just that I couldn't find them.

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#3 krillin

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Posted 03 May 2007 - 09:53 PM

http://www.aor.ca/us...e_winter_03.pdf

You can make K2, but it's not always enough. People with the same blood K1 can have different blood K2, so dietary K2 can make a difference.

#4 krillin

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Posted 06 May 2008 - 04:38 AM

I'm dropping LEF's 9 mg K1/1 mg K2 in favor of Carlson's 5 mg K2. I was just taking it for the K2, and K1 looks like it has a drawback.

Semin Thromb Hemost. 1995;21(4):357-63.
Observations on vitamin K deficiency in the fetus and newborn: has nature made a mistake?
Israels LG, Israels ED.
Department of Medicine, University of Manitoba, Manitoba Institute of Cell Biology, Winnipeg, Canada.

The microsomal mixed function oxidase system metabolizes xenobiotics (Phase I) to products that, if not activated and conjugated for excretion (Phase II), are capable of forming conjugates with cellular macromolecules, including DNA, resulting in toxic, mutagenic, or carcinogenic events. Benzo(a)pyrene (BP), a polycyclic aromatic hydrocarbon, is a model carcinogen for this system. Vitamin K1 (phylloquinone) is a regulator of BP metabolism. These studies demonstrate that K1 is capable of increasing Phase I metabolism and decreasing glutathione transferase activity (Phase II) in chick embryo liver; that deprivation of K1 reduces BP/DNA adducts in mouse liver and reduces tumor formation in mice given intraperitoneal BP; and that K1 supplementation increases BP induced tumor formation in mice. However, epidemiologic studies indicate that children of mothers who smoke during pregnancy may not be at increased risk of cancer. It is known that the placentas from these pregnancies exhibit markedly increased levels of arylhydrocarbon hydroxylase induced by the polycyclic aromatic hydrocarbons in tobacco smoke, but there is no corresponding increase in this enzyme activity in the fetus in such pregnancies. We suggest that the low vitamin K level is a secondary protective mechanism for xenobiotics, such as BP, that may escape the primary placental screen. The recently described role of vitamin K-dependent Gla protein as ligands for receptor tyrosine kinases, also establishes K as a link in cell growth and transformation. It is proposed that the small total body pool of K1 in the adult, which is sufficient only to meet continuing needs, and the even smaller pool in the fetus are protective. This protective effect of low K1 levels is particularly important in the presence of the high mitotic rates and rapid cell turnover in the avian embryo and mammalian fetus.

PMID: 8747698

There's also a comment on iHerb about the LEF product.

I threw away my bottle of this product, as the 9 mg of vitamin K1 it contains is way more than the body can use or convert to K2. I had an elevation (slight) in my bilirubin levels which could be due to a build-up of the intermediary metabolite between K1 and K2, menadione.


But according to this study, K2 is also metabolized to menadione.

Br J Nutr. 2006 Feb;95(2):260-6.
Menadione is a metabolite of oral vitamin K.
Thijssen HH, Vervoort LM, Schurgers LJ, Shearer MJ.
Department of Pharmacology, Cardiovascular Research Institute Maastricht, University of Maastricht, PO Box 616, 6200 MD Maastricht, The Netherlands. h.thijssen@farmaco.unimaas.nl

Phylloquinone is converted into menaquinone-4 and accumulates in extrahepatic tissues. Neither the route nor the function of the conversion is known. One possible metabolic route might be the release of menadione from phylloquinone by catabolic activity. In the present study we explored the presence of menadione in urine and the effect of vitamin K intake on its excretion. Menadione in urine was analysed by HPLC assay with fluorescence detection. Urine from healthy male volunteers was collected before and after administration of a single dose of K vitamins. Basal menadione excretion in non-supplemented subjects (n 6) was 5.4 (sd 3.2) microg/d. Urinary menadione excretion increased greatly after oral intake of the K vitamins, phylloquinone and menaquinone-4 and -7. This effect was apparent within 1-2 h and peaked at about 3 h after intake. Amounts of menadione excreted in 24 h after vitamin K intake ranged, on a molar basis, from 1 to 5 % of the administered dose, indicating that about 5-25 % of the ingested K vitamins had been catabolized to menadione. Menadione excretion was not enhanced by phylloquinone administered subcutaneously or by 2',3'-dihydrophylloquinone administered orally. In archived samples from a depletion/repletion study (Booth et al. (2001) Am J Clin Nutr 74, 783-790), urinary menadione excretion mirrored dietary phylloquinone intake. The present study shows that menadione is a catabolic product of K vitamins formed after oral intake. The rapid appearance in urine after oral but not subcutaneous administration suggests that catabolism occurs during intestinal absorption. The observations make it likely that part of the menaquinone-4 in tissues results from uptake and prenylation of circulating menadione.

PMID: 16469140

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Posted 06 May 2008 - 07:52 PM

I'm dropping LEF's 9 mg K1/1 mg K2 in favor of Carlson's 5 mg K2. I was just taking it for the K2, and K1 looks like it has a drawback.


I found a website that says MK-4 is eliminated from the body much more quickly than MK-7. Here is the website for the study.


If this study is true, the better choice might be MK-7 made by Jarrow and Source Natural versus the MK-4 made by Carlson and Thorne Research. It is not surprising that the website that says MK7 is better than MK4 is selling MK7.





edited to add the study that found MK7 has the longer half life.

Edited by david ellis, 06 May 2008 - 10:32 PM.


#6 krillin

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Posted 07 May 2008 - 01:51 AM

It'd be nice if they measured tissue half-lives too. Is MK-4 serum clearance due to rapid metabolism/excretion, or due to rapid uptake by bones and blood vessels?

These MK-4 researchers say that

MK-7 is the most logical choice for use as a low-dose food supplement, because even at low intake relatively high blood and tissue levels can be obtained.


so peer pressure forces me to agree with your conclusion for now.

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Posted 07 May 2008 - 02:48 AM

I am not sure. I have no evidence of cardiovascular disease at 68 despite high cholesterol test readings. MK4 is found in eggs and butter which I haven't restricted in my diet. (The first link has links to CVD protection evidence for K2)

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Posted 07 May 2008 - 06:12 AM

From http://www.lef.org/m...vitamink_02.htm

"While K2 may be more important in bone mineralization than K1, the amount of K2 absorbed from the gut provides only a fraction of the total daily requirement.17 Laboratory and some human data now suggest that K1 is in fact converted to K2 in tissues.18,19 This means that supplementing with vitamin K1 produces reliable absorption and supports all the important functions discussed in this article."

Given the above quote, does it make good economic sense to supplement with Vitamin K2 since K2 is at least 4x the price of K1.

Despite this, I use K2 (MK-7 form) 90 mcg occasionally to counteract my nose bleed issues due to fish oil very effectivly.

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Posted 07 May 2008 - 02:36 PM

K1 is very effective in stopping nose bleeds(oral) and clearing up bruises(topical) for me. K2 is important for older persons because absorption and conversion declines with age.

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Posted 07 May 2008 - 02:42 PM

I think K-vitamins (in LEF Super Booster) markedly reduced dark circles under my eyes (anecdotal, I know).

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#11 John_Ventureville

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Posted 08 May 2008 - 09:05 AM

Could someone please direct me to a source of Hormone K?

John Grigg : )

http://www.infinityp...ories/under.htm




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