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#1 AgentNyder

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Posted 25 August 2003 - 06:23 AM


School's in for unions
By MATTHEW DENHOLM Work and Industrial Relations
21aug03
NSW school children will be taught about the benefits of trade union
membership from next year, leading to claims of indoctrination.

From 2004, the revamped high school curriculum will include a component on
the role of unions as part of Work Education and Commerce subjects for
grades 7 to 10.
Architects of the new syllabus say students will be taught about the role of
unions, the achievements of the union movement and individual rights and
responsibilities at work.
The move is a big win for the NSW Labor Council, which has been lobbying for
15 years to have school children taught about unions as part of the
curriculum.
It has been welcomed by the ACTU, which hopes other Labor state governments
will follow suit.
However, it has outraged some employers, who claim that children will be
subject to taxpayer-funded pro-union "propaganda".
Adding to their anger is a $15,000 grant from the Education Department for
members of the NSW Teachers Federation to draw up lesson plans around the
new subjects.
"This is the propaganda-isation of the education system," said Garry Brack,
of Employers First.
"The trade union movement is trying out a new marketing strategy and Labor
governments are giving them a free kick.
"Children will be told about the wonderful 38-hour week, but they won't be
told how it singled-handedly destroyed 100,000 jobs and lives in the
process."
Premier Bob Carr yesterday told the ACTU Congress in Melbourne that his and
other state Labor governments were committed to supporting unions, believing
them to be vital in maintaining fair working conditions.
"We are all about recognising . . . the value of a workforce that is
protected, [with conditions] negotiated on behalf of the trade union
movement," he said.
"Australia is going to be wealthier and fairer through good industrial
relations - hard-nosed bargaining."
Labor Council secretary John Robertson said it was high time NSW students
were educated about unions and their role, past and present.
"It is about education - not indoctrination," he said.
"There is very little taught about the role unions have played historically,
on the gold fields, in shearing. But it's also about telling young people
about their rights . . . and what happens in the workplace today. And part
of that is the role of unions."
Mr Robertson denied that it was part of the union movement's attempts to
recruit more young workers.
Only about 13 per cent of 15 to 24-year-olds are union members, compared
with 23 per cent of all workers.
The ACTU yesterday unveiled a workers' hotline to help non-union workers
experiencing problems at work.
Callers may be charged a fee if their case is taken up by ACTU staff and
they will be expected to join a union.
Teachers Federation industrial officer Peter Walsh said the changes to the
NSW school curriculum will see children encouraged to discuss workers'
rights and responsibilities and "what makes a good employer and employee".
He believed it would help employers by providing them with workers who knew
their rights and responsibilities and would help teenagers with casual jobs.
"Huge numbers of kids are involved in casual work in those years from 15
on - often working several shifts a week," he said.

#2 AgentNyder

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Posted 25 August 2003 - 03:58 PM

Some here may think this issue to be irrelevant. After all, what does some misguied policy from some backwards country like Australia matter for us (here in America)?

I'm not too sure how strong the union movement in America is, but if they get word of this, undoubtedly if they have powerful lobby groups or are institutionalised within the government, they could get such changes made. Some unions are very powerful, rent seeking organisations that are very hard to get rid of (mainly because they are backed up by legislation).

What relevance does this issue have for an immortalist? We crave small government and with good reason. If unions could gain a foothold amongst the labour force, then we would see a rush of worker entitlements and mandatory working conditions for everyone. This would create a whole lot of unemployment because of the increasing costs of hiring a worker. It also creates spiralling inflation, as unions call for wage increases that have the effect of raising prices, so unions raise wages more; which leads to higher prices, etc, etc...

The last thing we need in the future is a stagnant economy, or a state bred socialism.

I don't know about you but I was quite shocked to hear of this development....

#3 kevin

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Posted 25 August 2003 - 04:22 PM

I'm not sure I would agree with the description of Australia as backward. From everything I can see they have one of the highest standards of living in the Western World as well as top knotch science development. They are an emergent nation rather, and young. They haven't really gone through the periods of political development yet that have been seen in the US and other more 'advanced' countries.

As far as stagnant economies or state-bred socialism in the US... the economy isn't that great and fascism is rampant. Here in Canada we aren't much better off, being linked a tad tightly to the US, and have more what you describe.. a socialistic government dictating to the minority on behalf of the majority.

If you crave small government, that is have a more libertarian point of view, you might check out Paul Wakfer's

The Self-Sovereign Individual Project

which has some interesting ideas about how one can personallly mitigate the involvment of government in your personal freedoms.

I haven't quite yet bought into the idea yet.. but the more I read about it.. the more I like it.

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#4 DJS

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Posted 25 August 2003 - 07:21 PM

Kev, have you forgotten about the Aborigines, the "problem" Australians don't want to talk about?

Also, although I never witnessed it, I have heard many people say that Australia lags behind the rest of the Western world in terms of women's lib.

Of course, every society has its black marks, but I just thought I'd offer some counter weight.


Kissinger

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Posted 25 August 2003 - 07:38 PM

I agree Australia has it's problems. We have our native issues here in Canada too.... and you might expect a more 'emergent' culture to still have issues with feminism. In the US and Canada we pay lip service to it..

#6 AgentNyder

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Posted 26 August 2003 - 01:00 AM

Kev, have you forgotten about the Aborigines, the "problem" Australians don't want to talk about?

Also, although I never witnessed it, I have heard many people say that Australia lags behind the rest of the Western world in terms of women's lib.

Of course, every society has its black marks, but I just thought I'd offer some counter weight.


Kissinger


The Aborigines are a displaced society that has not yet fully integrated into the Australian capitalist system. There are varying reasons for this, yet one is the fact that the Government has granted people of aboriginal descent discriminatory welfare handouts that have not served them well at all.

Conditions in some Aboriginal communities resemble third world countries and they have extreme social problems such as domestic violence, alcoholism, suicide and crime.

What they need is not legislation such as 'quotas' in workplaces, anti-discrimination legislation and substantial welfare handouts. Only self-determination will be able to bring them back from the depths.

Anyway, as for women, I can only speak anecdotally - yet there is no hinderance to women's liberation that I have seen. Women enjoy pretty much the same rights as men. Statistically a lot of them find work in the service sector (which is the main industry here). Women also seem to be more educated then men (as in university participation and high school results).

I suppose it depends on what you mean by 'women's lib', Kissinger...

Sorry for my 'backwards' remark, I think maybe I have a meme of 'ignorant Americans' :) (j/k, I actually quite like the US). :)

Oh and Kevin, thanks for the link, I have added it to my favourites [B)]

Edited by AgentNyder, 26 August 2003 - 01:16 AM.





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