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[fight4life]

Disclaimer: Don't take prescription drugs to overcome shyness or a lack of confidence. It's like looking for your lost keys outside when you lost them inside in the first place.

Let me just list a few socializer nootropics:

Adderall: More friendly, outgoing, less inhibition, more focus on the conversation, more ideas, etc
Inderol: I read a post saying that Inderol completely takes away inhibition socially. In fact, many orchestra performers with stage fright have been noted to take it.
Phenibut: Gives you that tingly love everybody feeling. I don't like it, makes me feel lazy.
Phenylpiracetam I tried this while studying and with hard work and good strategies, it worked wonders. However, the effects spilled over to after parties and I was quick witted with everything.

Input on this is appreciated. Post experiences or hear-say!

[zoolander]

Phenibut is a lot stronger than the beta-blocker Inderol, IMO. They are both very good chill out compounds.

I can't say that I ever felt strong effects with racetams.

Finally, I don't see how adderal , a mix of amphetamine salts, would make a normal person i.e not ADHD, less inhibited. Chances are it could make the normal person annoying and intrusive

[ajnast4r]

caffeine + rhodiola

[niner]

I don't know if ecstasy qualifies as a noot, but you'll socialize like a mofo. Oh, and heaven forbid, don't take a prescription drug for anything when we have all these cool drugs recommended by strangers on the net that you don't even need a prescription for.

[zocco]

2x2dl of good red wine ;-)

[Ghostrider]

Disclaimer: Don't take prescription drugs to overcome shyness or a lack of confidence. It's like looking for your lost keys outside when you lost them inside in the first place.

But if you knew where you lost your keys, they would not really be lost.

[fight4life]

I'll have to give phenibut another shot.

Inderal is rated pretty highly as a stage fright reducer: http://www.revolutio...nxiety-disorder

Adderall: zoolander the adderall reduces inhibitions in some way, most likely because they are amphetamines. I felt the same effect when I used ephedrine for cutting weight (amphetamine.)

We all know that alcohol is the greatest socializer but what if we had non-prescription nootropics to get the same effect without all the harmful side effects?

[zoolander]

Apart from possible rebound anxiety and problems that may come from accidental overdose, phenibut doesn't really have any negative side effects from what I have read. On occasions I take phenibut before bed. In fact this weekend I took used phenibut. I took it Saturday night at about 10pm and then went straight to bed. Then whilst I am asleep the effects start to effect. It deepens my sleep. Recently I had how I sleep analysed and have been diagnosed as having severe sleep apnea, which explains why I have been feeling fatigued.

Anyhow......I take the phenibut before bed and when I wake it's in full effect. It's like waking up in a different dimension actually for me. It's lots of fun and it changes my senses. Eating food is absolutely amazing. Reading and lookin g at artwork/photos is awesome and I notice colors that I hadn't seen before. So I wake a little high <towley voice> and then I top myself with another small dose with breakfast. This keeps me primed and high on phenibut for at least a day and a half. I'm still feeling a little warm rush at the moment.

We played a gig last night and I was an absolute ego and a half on stage as well as off when I was talking to everyone at the gig.

Don't get me wrong people. Phenibut does not get you wasted like alcohol. It's more like being really loved up on XTC. I don't really need the phenibut or anything else to socialise but it usually gets me in peak shape to rip it up on stage. We're touring in a week or so with a band from the U.S. I'm capping up a few hundreds grams for the 2 weeks that we are away. It's going to be fun and games for everyone involved. Those who have used phenibut will know what I'm talking about. It's great fun introducing phenibut to people here in Australia because no one has heard of it. I explain the effects and they try it and FREAK out. I've only had 1 friend who didn't like it because he doesn't like waking up still bent

In short: I'm usually the life of the party but when I'm on phenibut I am the party. be it with 50 people or just by myself vaccuming the lounge naked

[caston]

What's the legal status of this in Oz?

[shamus]

Fine in Australia.



How does it compare with GHB/GBL?

[diamondhead]

Fine in Australia.



How does it compare with GHB/GBL?

Phenibut is much weaker compared to the intense feeling of gbl, but it last longer and does not give you the horrid withdrawal after a few uses.

But, Phenibut does work good, helps me sleep great and deeply, the next day i am relaxed and feel good.

[wwxx]

zoolander, what was your dosage.
iwould like to try this for sleep/anxiety.
thanks!

[diamondhead]

zoolander, what was your dosage.
iwould like to try this for sleep/anxiety.
thanks!

Give 1 gram a shot your 1st time, more than that usually will make the next day hard to get out of bed. Its a strange feeling if you take to much phenibut the next day, you try to open your eyes but you cant focus and close them and go back to sleep just like that!!! LOL

1st time i used it and accidently used over 6 grams!0

[zoolander]

Its a strange feeling if you take to much phenibut the next day, you try to open your eyes but you cant focus and close them and go back to sleep just like that!!!

I have never experiance this and would consider myself an experianced user.

zoolander, what was your dosage.

About 1 gram before bed and then another 1/2 gram when I wake.

iwould like to try this for sleep/anxiety

It's only suitable for short term use. It's great to help you deal with anxiety related to a particular event but not for treating anxiety. You couldn't take it for more than a week at a time without tolerance

[medievil]

a low dose LSD has been reported to wrok great as a socializer and nootropic

[medievil]

Fine in Australia.



How does it compare with GHB/GBL?

Phenibut is much weaker compared to the intense feeling of gbl, but it last longer and does not give you the horrid withdrawal after a few uses.

But, Phenibut does work good, helps me sleep great and deeply, the next day i am relaxed and feel good.

phenibut has big tolerance issues, while GHB hasnt, GHB seems to have more health benefits then phenibut too
personally i would choose GHB over phenibut

[diamondhead]

Fine in Australia.



How does it compare with GHB/GBL?

Phenibut is much weaker compared to the intense feeling of gbl, but it last longer and does not give you the horrid withdrawal after a few uses.

But, Phenibut does work good, helps me sleep great and deeply, the next day i am relaxed and feel good.

phenibut has big tolerance issues, while GHB hasnt, GHB seems to have more health benefits then phenibut too
personally i would choose GHB over phenibut

If it only was as easy to get!

Whats the most phenibut you used before bed?

I guarantee if you take over 4 grams at once before bed, you will experience what i was speaking of. (well maybe not since you are not a new user to it) I recently ran out and need to buy more, its a great product to use on occasion.

[spaceistheplace]

a low dose LSD has been reported to wrok great as a socializer and nootropic

never tried the low dose. might give it a try.

[zoolander]

It never ceases to amaze me how some recommend illicit substances for usage in run of the mill situations such as socializing. Jesus freakin' Christ.....LSD, XTC and GHB??!! for socializing?!

[shamus]

It never ceases to amaze me how some recommend illicit substances for usage in run of the mill situations such as socializing. Jesus freakin' Christ.....LSD, XTC and GHB??!! for socializing?!

I'm as social as I get on the first two (LSD & MDMA).

Just comes down the dose for me (too much = not so social).

[caston]

yeah this really isn't very good for our image... we want to extend the human life span not become known as a druggie cult

[shifter]

Phenylethylamine

-Lose inhibitions
-Stimulator (works better than caffiene and longer lasting IMO)
-Increase perserverance/motivation/stamina/strength? (increase in strength may be an 'illusion' created by the increase in the other things).
-All the effects of being madly in love

If taken too much what you will get:
-Increase blood pressure to levels you may not like (I assume blood pressure increases when you look into the eyes of someone your madly in love with or in bed with them anyway!)
-Blood pressure can drop to levels lower than you'd like when working physically hard (eg at a gym).
-Dry mouth

Customs in Oz said it was not a prohibited or controlled substance. However I do think that this 'could' be a peformance enhancing product provided the user doesn't mind the risk of drops in blood pressure, light headedness and embarrassing themselves when fainting. (not that I have ever felt light headed or fainted).

But perhaps a drug test would show some positive result of something if this was taken???

I have taken it a couple of times (once every 1-2 weeks). I dont know if there are any tolerence issues, definately no addiction issues (at least when taken that infrequently). Tried carrying a few capsules around and felt no desire or urges to take any of them and didn't miss the warm fuzzy feeling in my head.

I have taken this in conjuction with low dose selegiline (deprenyl) which prevents the phenylethylamine from breaking down so quickly and saves the body from the harsh by products from its breakdown more. Low doses also show health benefits

[medievil]

It never ceases to amaze me how some recommend illicit substances for usage in run of the mill situations such as socializing. Jesus freakin' Christ.....LSD, XTC and GHB??!! for socializing?!

your blind staring at the fact they are illicit, LSD at low doses is reported to be a great nootropic, why ignore it becuase its "illicit"?

[medievil]

yeah this really isn't very good for our image... we want to extend the human life span not become known as a druggie cult

GHB sleep dept? LSD neurogenesis?

and yes even XTC in low doses protecting dopamine neurons

[Shepard]

LSD at low doses is reported to be a great nootropic
GHB sleep dept? LSD neurogenesis?
and yes even XTC in low doses protecting dopamine neurons

And where is the importance to socializing?

[synaesthetic]

Maca puts me in a good mood with energy for socializing.

[fight4life]

medievil you bring up good points about the LSD and XTC. It's just entertainment though, anybody reading this should be responsible enough to know these drugs are not what you want to get into. If you really have a problem socializing and the only way you can be outgoing is if you take LSD, you need to learn other skills first. Hell, I was shy all my life and then when I went to college I decided for the first year to talk to everybody I had to interact with (store clerks, etc) and make a longer convo then normal, no matter what. I'd walk up to and talk to anybody and sometimes I would mess up and not have anything to say. But I eventually got rid of all that shyness and know what? Turns girls on and you wake up one day with a lot of friends.

Back to the noots, I think the phenyl is a really good one to look at. In essence, what I am targeting is the decreasing of inhibitions because when I get in these moods sometimes and I'm not inhibited at all, I have so much more fun with my friends because I'm the funniest man in the bar. Also, I do a lot better with the women in conversation and in general.

Inderal seems great and I've found boards like "social anxiety disorder" that post a lot of good feedback for it.

Next one I'm looking into is Rhodiola... think I remember something on this one but not sure what it specifically does.

[meatwad]

Phenethylamine - increase DA and NE.

If you believe high DA and NE is necessary for socializing then go ahead and increase it. I truly believe you should see a pdoc, get a neurotransmitter test and go from there.

An even better doc would test many things - testosterone, HGH, many random nutrients like B12, melatonin, etc.

I am now on the bandwagon of doctor assisted supplementation.

[medievil]

medievil you bring up good points about the LSD and XTC. It's just entertainment though, anybody reading this should be responsible enough to know these drugs are not what you want to get into. If you really have a problem socializing and the only way you can be outgoing is if you take LSD, you need to learn other skills first. Hell, I was shy all my life and then when I went to college I decided for the first year to talk to everybody I had to interact with (store clerks, etc) and make a longer convo then normal, no matter what. I'd walk up to and talk to anybody and sometimes I would mess up and not have anything to say. But I eventually got rid of all that shyness and know what? Turns girls on and you wake up one day with a lot of friends.

Back to the noots, I think the phenyl is a really good one to look at. In essence, what I am targeting is the decreasing of inhibitions because when I get in these moods sometimes and I'm not inhibited at all, I have so much more fun with my friends because I'm the funniest man in the bar. Also, I do a lot better with the women in conversation and in general.

Inderal seems great and I've found boards like "social anxiety disorder" that post a lot of good feedback for it.

Next one I'm looking into is Rhodiola... think I remember something on this one but not sure what it specifically does.

i could learn social skills because of MDMA, i beleive these drugs improve everyone's life when taken properly, like MDMA 4 times a year max, lsd one a month etc..
i wonna treat my social anxiety with a low dose of LSD daily, because i know my anxiety will never go away, i learned social skills everything, my friends say i am a very confident guy, i am a person that wants to talk to anyone, but my personally is being pushed away by social anxiety to say it that way
and the level of my anxiety is still the same like it was 5 years ago, and i defeat this anxiety every day by talking to ppl, but there is a feeling of anxiety, and a feeling of wanting to get out of those situation that is still the same after this 5 years, even tough i actually defeat my fear every day

[ajnast4r]

i think its important to mention that social anxiety can be defeated with a combination of psychotherapy and forced exposure (public speaking classes) in most cases... and that becoming substance reliant in order to interact in social situations is a horrible idea in most cases.

i think its also important to mention that the body will acclimate and quickly built tolerance to nearly ever legal substance that is worthwhile as far as reducing social anxiety and increasing confidence... so you may be able to improve your friday night at the bar, but your daily social interactions will suffer unless you come up with practical, non-pharmaceutical solutions.

[disclaimer, i do not condone street MDMA use as purity and dosing is always an issue]

that being said, i think that a time released MDMA analog has more pharmaceutical potential than any drug in existence right now as far as treating things like depression, social anxiety & emotional trauma. i abused ecstasy somewhat heavily (50+ doses) in my late teens, and while it did leave me with a mild case of cyclothymic disorder (which sucks)... it left me permanently more social, outgoing, confident, and emotionally open.