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[luv2increase]

I would like to inquire about centrophenoxine. If you use centrophenoxine, please say so and report of your conceived effects of it on your cognition/memory. If you have used centrophenoxine and other choline supps, please report if the centro is better than the alternative choline sources that you've tried.


Thanks a lot!

[suspire]

Used centro.
Results: None I've noticed.

Then again, no nootropic has had any effective on me that I've been able to measure, with or without choline. And I've taken the whole range of nootropic cocktails with their various synergetic companions. I am at the point where I am probably going to cut off my entire regimine of nootropics and stick with basic supplements for good general health.

EDIT: I haven't experimented with illegal or prescription drugs--don't plan to, either.

[ziddy5]

Suspire: That doesn't surprise me. I have yet to see compelling evidence of cognitive enhancement from any compounds other than commonly prescribed psychostimulants and AChEIs. If there's a compelling argument to the contrary, I'd love to hear it. Otherwise, I'm just going to finish up my supplies and take Adderall (as prescribed) until real nootropics come.

[suspire]

Suspire: That doesn't surprise me. I have yet to see compelling evidence of cognitive enhancement from any compounds other than commonly prescribed psychostimulants and AChEIs. If there's a compelling argument to the contrary, I'd love to hear it. Otherwise, I'm just going to finish up my supplies and take Adderall (as prescribed) until real nootropics come.

Yeah, my suspicion is that there is a lot of placebo-effect going on when people talk about results, but I tend to not be impacted by the placebo effect.

[luv2increase]

Suspire: That doesn't surprise me. I have yet to see compelling evidence of cognitive enhancement from any compounds other than commonly prescribed psychostimulants and AChEIs. If there's a compelling argument to the contrary, I'd love to hear it. Otherwise, I'm just going to finish up my supplies and take Adderall (as prescribed) until real nootropics come.

Why not go do a search through pubmed? There is plenty of evidence that certain compounds, most notably the racetams, work well. The only downside is that there is a lack of studies of healthy individuals. What constitutes being healthy? Your guess is as good as mine.


I have tried many nootropics, and the only one that had no effect on me whatsoever was vinpocetine.

Maybe you don't know how to give yourself the correct dosages? Or it could be just too confusing for you ziddy? If you need help on putting together a stack, PM me.

[rsnuk]

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[mitkat]

Used centro.
Results: None I've noticed.

Then again, no nootropic has had any effective on me that I've been able to measure, with or without choline. And I've taken the whole range of nootropic cocktails with their various synergetic companions. I am at the point where I am probably going to cut off my entire regimine of nootropics and stick with basic supplements for good general health.

EDIT: I haven't experimented with illegal or prescription drugs--don't plan to, either.

You sound lke you're at the point where I was two years ago. Feeling nothing from my nootropic reigment (which was only ever piracetam, aniracetam, centrphenoxine + choline), and I mean nothing, I gave it up. I'm not a good person at judging how things are effecting me - I've noted several times that I rarely get any kind of feeling from supplements whatsoever (besides caffiene, obvious ones). The 'tams seem to get lost in the wash, metabolism-wise. Vinpocetine is something I'll probably experiment with later on in my life as long as the safety of Vinca minor still rings true.

I'm sure it's posted somewhere else, but just briefly post your diet, age, weight. Basic supplements are the way to go in almost all cases, barring a medical condition where you need a specific problem fixed. Scottl made a post a while ago about people being concerned with minutia - well, nootropics are that very minutia and imo are too young in their infancy to be used without any serious knowledge about neurochemistry. I'd say cut 'em off and start on a good stack for health.. multi, fish oil, all that good business.

[brotherjake]

Hi Everyone,

This is my first post, but I thought it would be a good time to drop a mesage and say hi. I've been taking a few nootropics after doing some research (including checking out the boards here). I take centro, Pira, choline bitartrate ( I know..I know) and Gandha root.

I'm not a doctor, and can only report on my own subjective experience, but I think Centro may help with Pira. It gives my a slightly stimulated effect similar to caffiene. It has been my experience though that if take Centro, I'll step way back on the caffiene as the two do not really sit well together...seems to create too much nervousness.

One other thing I'd like to mention: situational demands. Sometimes I am not sure that the nootropics are working. However, I'll end up noticing that they are indeed working when the situation calls for it...I know that sounds like a copout, but it does seem to be true. When I have a cognitively demanding task, especially when have to give a presentation, subjectively it seems that I am able to feel the effects once there is an environmental demand for communicating cognitive thought (writing, speaking, etc.)

Take alchohol for example. If one is heavily intoxicated in a dark room and sitting in a chair, it may be difficult to determine the extent of intoxication. If that same person were to stand up and run with the lights on, they may feel the effects more.

I'm new here and there are quite a few others here that can explain all of this better, but I just wanted to share a few thoughts with everyone. My biggest lessson is to contemplate the effectiveness of nootropics during cognitively demanding times.

Nice to meet everyone.

[luv2increase]

Welcome to Imminst and thank you for your reply!

I have a question for you though.

What are your dosages of the piracetam, choline bitartrate, and centro?

Thanks!

[brotherjake]

Welcome to Imminst and thank you for your reply!

I have a question for you though.

What are your dosages of the piracetam, choline bitartrate, and centro? 

Thanks!

Piracetam 1.6 grams 2 times a day

250 mg Centro a day, 5 times a week

Choline bitartrate 2 times a week (if that)

In my experience, taking centro seems to lessen the need for choline, but who knows? I'm still new to all this.

I'm just a beginner, but one thing I would also like to say is please go easy when you combine centro with another choline source....Before figuring out a good dosage for me, I was taking more choline with the centro than I needed and I ended up with a few days of seriously down feeling. MAybe it was the choline, maybe the centro, maybe both

Thanks for the welcome luv2increase!

[Ghostrider]

Used centro.
Results: None I've noticed.

Then again, no nootropic has had any effective on me that I've been able to measure, with or without choline. And I've taken the whole range of nootropic cocktails with their various synergetic companions. I am at the point where I am probably going to cut off my entire regimine of nootropics and stick with basic supplements for good general health.

EDIT: I haven't experimented with illegal or prescription drugs--don't plan to, either.

Same here, tried many nootropics, stopped taking them all about half a year ago. Recently, I experimented with Sulbutaimine (or however you spell it) and it was junk as well. Best nootropic I have found so far: caffeine + sugar (not recommended). Maybe I will start drinking tea again.

[genesis svk]

Intelligence, memory encoding, memory recall, reaction time all is given genetically. If you wasn't born as Einstein then you never be like him until you change your DNA. Life is just program. If you take control over that program then become God . There is no miracle drug in the world which improve your memory more than 20 percent. Save your money . Don't pray to GOD because we are better than him instead drink green tea and learn genetics This world has never been fair and it is up to us to make it more better and humane.

[Ghostrider]

Don't pray to GOD because we are better than him   instead drink green tea and  learn genetics

why green tea?

[genesis svk]

Because it is cheap healthy and good for brain (improves concentration, reaction time and relaxation) and mood. You really need nothing more.

[quicksilver]

I would like to inquire about centrophenoxine.  If you use centrophenoxine, please say so and report of your conceived effects of it on your cognition/memory.  If you have used centrophenoxine and other choline supps, please report if the centro is better than the alternative choline sources that you've tried. 


Thanks a lot!

It's a great mental stimulant at 2 grams.

[Jacovis]

I would like to inquire about centrophenoxine.  If you use centrophenoxine, please say so and report of your conceived effects of it on your cognition/memory.  If you have used centrophenoxine and other choline supps, please report if the centro is better than the alternative choline sources that you've tried. 


Thanks a lot!

luv2increase,
I have tried both Centrophenoxine and its related supplement, DMAE. I haven't really got much out of the Choline supplements I have tried (CDP Choline and Soy Lecithin - I haven't tried Alpha GPC yet) so cannot really compare Centro to those. Centro does synergise well I found though with Piracetam (though I did find the effects of both of these nootropics inconsistent - more below)

I do find Centro, like DMAE and other nootropics like Piracetam for me, works inconsistently (though I found Centro more consistent than DMAE). At times, Centro felt like it was helping quite a bit (better concentration, 'mental speed', appreciation for music, reduced sleep requirements) and at other times it did not work. And it did not work sometimes even when it was needed (it was unpredictable when it would work and when it wouldn't). Also I found that I built up tolerance for Centro, like DMAE after about 6 weeks of continual use (even if I stopped using it on weekends) of 500 - 1000 mg per day - I would barely notice the stuff. With both Centro and DMAE I also felt more moody - probably more ups (including moments of euphoria when listening to music) and more downs when using them.

The main benefit I found to Centro (and to a certain extent DMAE as well) was an increase in motivation/willpower. The stuff seemed to really make me a determined bastard at times - I found this to be the most consistent effect it gave. Indeed there is quite a bit of talk on the net (mainly from vendors trying to sell the stuff though) that DMAE increases willpower for people who are trying to quit smoking.

So for me I think the main way to use Centro would be to cycle it (probably a few weeks at a time) to get that solid increase in willpower and make me one determined bastard for a while, perhaps in order to achieve a goal in that time period of use.

[jubai]

To all of you:

I tried centro a while ago, from the old smile2biz site. The stuff I got taster horrible and has a fishy smell. It did improve my attention and memory, but my urine and sweat smelled so horrible I decided to stop it.

Is the foul taste/smell cause by centro itself or did I had a bad product?


As a reference, pure Arginine from NOW and another brand also stench my sweat and urine so much as to make me discontinue it.

[quicksilver]

To all of you:

I tried centro a while ago, from the old smile2biz site. The stuff I got taster horrible and has a fishy smell. It did improve my attention and memory, but my urine and sweat smelled so horrible I decided to stop it.

Is the foul taste/smell cause by centro itself or did I had a bad product?


As a reference, pure Arginine from NOW and another brand also stench my sweat and urine so much as to make me discontinue it.

smile sold stuff out of his apt you probably got hosed. If your going to buy centro buy it from a pharmaceutical grade source like an or un.