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[PWAIN]

I use something called CoffeeBerry Forte which claims to have 15 000 ORAC units per gram (1 500 000 per 100g) which is the highest I have seen for anything other than cloves. Supposedly made from various parts of the plant. Anyone else use this?

[narcissistic]

It seams to me that some people actually wears themselves out on coffin. They are simply pushing them self harder than would otherwise. I have notice this in a many coffee drinkers, they have some similarities to people on amphetamine. I think it’s funny how tense some people get when they yeast has hade there morning dose of coffin.

I didn’t know that the coffee beans did possess so grate antioxidant quality; is it due to this that it seams to have a preventive effect against some neurodegenerative disorders, or is it actually its slightly stimulation effect on the nerve system that gives it this possible quality?

The tobacco plant also has grate antioxidant quality, in a way I think it s similar to the coffee bean; it has some qualities but on the other hand it also have possible health hazards.

[graatch]

I use something called CoffeeBerry Forte which claims to have 15 000 ORAC units per gram (1 500 000 per 100g) which is the highest I have seen for anything other than cloves. Supposedly made from various parts of the plant. Anyone else use this?

I considered ordering some as I prefer yerba mate to coffee, since for one I suspect coffee/coffeeberry's chlorogenic acid is tied in with the positive benefits against diabetes long-term coffee use may offer, and this is found as well in blueberry leaf which is marketed for said purpose.

How do you like it? Do you notice any acute effect? Is it energizing at all?

[Alpha-Frequency]

I mix cocoa powder WITH green tea and white tea! Try it.

[wydell]

I have upped my caffeine and caffeine like substances considerably. I have been drinking several cups a day of a coffee cocoa mix with stevia and xylito, and separately I have matcha green tea. I also eat 2 ounces of 88% chocolate daily with stevia.

I had no particular goal in mind.

But it seems to me that this regime has caused me to drop some additional body fat, though it was already low around 5-6%. Just a subjective visual observation. I have not been measured lately.

[Alpha-Frequency]

Caffeine reportedly decreases chances of skin cancer when combined with aerobics...

[Alien65]

I would be considered a java junkie. I drink at least 4 pots of coffee a day (24 cups). This is how I wash down about 30 nutritional supplements. I am 65 years old, in perfect health and have doing this for decades. My father who is 96 drinks at least 6 cups a day. He is also in very good health. At least for us, coffee may be beneficial or at worst neutral.

[basho]

I generally feel more clear-headed after a few weeks without coffee. Buts its so nice...

[missminni]

I would be considered a java junkie. I drink at least 4 pots of coffee a day (24 cups). This is how I wash down about 30 nutritional supplements. I am 65 years old, in perfect health and have doing this for decades. My father who is 96 drinks at least 6 cups a day. He is also in very good health. At least for us, coffee may be beneficial or at worst neutral.

24 cups - that's a lot of coffee. What kind of coffee do you drink. (organic? med or dark roast? just curious)
IIRC the darker the roast, the less caffeine. Espresso actually has less caffeine than regular coffee.
I drink about 4 cups a day.
I can go without it, and have, but I always come back to it.
My Dad, 92, has been drinking coffee his whole life. He drinks it black. No milk no sugar.
He used to drink a lot more, but later in life cut down to 2 cups a day because of the bad rap it got.
He brews it really strong too.
He's also in very good health.

[Alien65]

I use a Bunn coffee maker and medium to medium-dark roast beans (organic some times). I do tend to make it a little weaker than some would like (2 to 3 scoops per pot).

[Mind]

More positive data for coffee: http://www.lef.org/n...tm?NewsID=12129

Scientists said the misfolding of the substance human islet amyloid polypeptide has been increasingly considered a pathogenic process in type 2 diabetes.
The study, published in the Journal of Agricultural & Food Chemistry, identified two categories of compounds in coffee that significantly inhibited human islet amyloid polypeptide.
The findings suggest this explains why coffee drinkers show a lower risk for developing diabetes.
"A beneficial effect may thus be expected for a regular coffee drinker," the researchers concluded.

Like most people here, I was subject to a wave of anti-coffee peer pressure based on weak science. Like Wydell mentioned in the first post, the negatives from coffee are quite minor for most people. The positive aspects, lower weight, better brain functioning, Alzheimer's and diabetes prevention, seem to outweigh the negatives a great deal. I started drinking coffee about a year and a half ago. I think it was a good choice. The only thing that bothers me is the addiction to caffeine. I know it can be broken, but it sucks to go a day or two without.

[Mind]

Another nice read about the health benefits of coffee from LEF.

[Raptor87]

Personally I have issues with coffee. I am one of those who never stops drinking when I start. At one period of my life I used to have my daily runs because my intestines where so flooded with coffee. I have been drinking coffee since the age of 14, today I am 29. What I can say is, if you have anxiety or suffer from depression, then please avoid coffee. I have been suffering from anxiety and depression since the age of 12, at 20 it became unbearable. Yet I used to drink tremendous amount´s of coffee and for my depression and anxiety, it never seemed to improve. I read self- help, went to therapy, popped pills and nothing worked. I knew that I had to quit, which is easy with coffee, just stay abstinent for a day. The hardest thing is keeping away from the stuff. What´s even more worse is that coffee works great on the reward system! Who doesn´t feel better when waking up in the morning and just sensing the smell of perfectly made coffee, and the taste! I mean when you are able to make the perfect coffee, when you have the right blend and you wait until the coffee cools down a bit so you can finally drink it. It´s incredible how it works on you reward system, depression just disappears for a moment! But the problem is that the depression get´s postponed. The best approach for treating a depression is to find your calm and focus. Coffee (for those proned to anxiety) makes one jittery, nervous and unfocused (anxiety makes one flee in to his head). And there´s the drawback, when you start ingesting a lot of coffee, then you need the same amount the next day. Otherwise you will get headaches or as it does for me, incredible migraines. After I quit drinking coffee for a long period of time, my depression improved and for the first time CBT and other self help stuff started working. I don´t know why, maybe the induced anxiety stresses the amygdala to stay in old hippocampal patterns when drinking coffee.

But what´s positive about coffee? Well, when you don´t drink it continuously and aren´t addicted it. It serves as the perfect nootropic (increased motivation, improved memory, increased focus).... I use it before exams. The only problem is that you will be cranky the next day when you don´t drink it.

So my experience with coffee is, coffee is great when you aren´t addicted to it. It has a lot of benefits and I recommend coffee before exams. Too bad that the negative effects outweigh the positive effects when you are addicted to it. So if you want the best from coffee, use it only when you are addressing crucial moment´s and need the extra headpower preferably at school or at other knowledge based task´s, also it works great before working out. Avoid coffee if you suffer from neurosis, phobia, anxiety etc... Also avoid taking coffee with magnesium, it will make your intestines churn. Don´t drink coffee right after eating, it blocks a few vitamins from being absorbed by the intestines.

I just wan´t to say that I am very hypocritical when I am writing this text, right now I am enjoying the perfect latin blend coffee combined with omega 3-6 butter derived from seeds. MAN!

Edited by Brainfogged, 24 February 2012 - 07:04 AM.

[TheKidInside]

so, drinking a cappuccino with almond milk, I am going to attempt in the next few weeks (or maybe after this semester) to quit coffee over 250 mL a day. I have read that the "addiction" aspect of caffeine is rather high (not as high as meth but still). I do intend on sticking with tea. I think my problem right now is that I run for coffee before studying for example as opposed to green tea with which I've had much better experience with. It's like i'm conditioned to go for coffee haha

[PeopleOverCorporateProfit]

My subjective experiential two cents:

I went 99 percent raw plus whey protein/almond milk shakes for a couple weeks (no coffee either). I felt amazing, energized and very in-tune with what was going on inside my body. I had a job interview at a high end coffee shop and drank a bit of coffee during the interview. I could actually feel the coffee moving through my body and it was a VERY unhealthy feeling. Now, I'm off the raw diet, and have occasional coffee--and don't feel negative effects aside from increased anxiety. Point being, the raw diet got me very "aware" of what was happening inside of me, and coffee did not feel right.

[TheFountain]

I think the main point of this topic was not about caffeine, but it was that coffee is very high in antioxidants. Higher than green tea or any other food.

Well, yes and no. If you read some of the studies posted at the top of the thread, you'll notice that many(most(?)) of the benefits associated with coffee are actually due to caffeine. So even if one could get all the antioxidants in decaf coffee, one would be missing out on the benefits associated with caffeine.

'Though achieving lethal dose with caffeine would be exceptionally difficult with regular coffee, there have been reported deaths from overdosing on caffeine pills, with serious symptoms of overdose requiring hospitalization occurring from as little as 2 grams of caffeine. An exception to this would be taking a drug such as fluvoxamine or levofloxacin, which blocks the liver enzyme responsible for the metabolism of caffeine, thus increasing the central effects and blood concentrations of caffeine five-fold.^{[47][48][49][50]} Death typically occurs due to ventricular fibrillation caused by effects of caffeine on the cardiovascular system.'

http://en.wikipedia....ne_intoxication

Now, i'm sure that last sentence was relating to 'toxic doses' which seems to be around 20 grams of caffeine. But as the article states, hospitalization has been caused by as little as 2 grams (perhaps exception to the rule?). Just a little consideration.

It also brings up the interesting point about enzyme metabolism which leads one to ponder the old question of why a certain sub-group of people (which seems fairly large) get anxiety symptoms whenever consuming caffeine even in moderate amounts. Of course it's not going to hurt you if you are one such unlucky soul, but it will definitely disrupt your nervous system enough to cause a fight/flight reaction of severe anxiety.

Edited by TheFountain, 21 April 2012 - 05:35 AM.

[kriirk]

I read in some random pages that coffee drinkers have a -7% risk of CVD (stroke/heart attack), while de-caf drinkers have a -14% risk. (That hardly makes the caffeine itself a +7% risk though; De-caf drinkers are often very health focused people!)

Have to admit coffee and cocoa (raw) are the pillars of my defense against hunger throughout the day. (I aim to only eat solid foods in the evening)

On a side-note.. I'm always skeptic vs. studies on high consume foods like coffee and chocolate.. I read somewhere that coffee has higher yearly turnover than any other product.

Lastly, lighter roasts are (obviously) more healthy than darker roasts. A good reason for becoming a coffee nerd, roasting your own beans.

[anubis_tc]

I like to experiment with brewing different things with coffee and only drink coffee on the weekends. My current favorite mixture is taking organic coffe grinds and mixing them with ground cinnamon then brew with filtered water. I use raw organic/unfiltered honey and coconut milk coffee creamer as sweetner. This mixture is an instant bliss maker and a great way to start off a Saturday or Sunday morning. The properties of this mixture or not only good for the body, but also for the soul.

[anubis_tc]

Another idea is to brew a pot of your favorite organic coffee and feeze it in a ice tray. Then take a glass of your favorite organic almond milk and place a few of the coffee ice cubes in it. Can you say F**K Yea!? Cause I just did!