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#1 pinballwizard

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Posted 18 September 2007 - 07:27 AM


Guys,

what is new? I a have not made a post in a few years. Back when I was on it, Nootropi was constantly arguing about lab testing. Royal Jelly, and the cetams, and fish oil were the rage. AGPC was better than citocholine. Amphetamines and steroids were looked down upon. deprenyl was an aphrodesiac and taken in the drop form. Nicotine was good for you. The preferred method was making your own pills, because it was too expensive to have someone do it.

after all this time, I still like AGPC, cetams, fish oil, and vitamins and exercise and no drinking.

ritalin has big pluses and minuses. so does nicotine.

I am looking to get on a stack of the above again.

pinball

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Posted 18 September 2007 - 05:43 PM

Hi pinball. The big new supp is trans-resveratrol. Notice the many sprawling threads here at Imminst.

Nootropi is back (now has the member name - Adam_Kamil) and posts frequent research articles relating to all things anti-aging.

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Posted 18 September 2007 - 10:54 PM

Guys,

what is new?  I a have not made a post in a few years.  Back when I was on it, Nootropi was constantly arguing about lab testing.  Royal Jelly, and the cetams, and fish oil were the rage.  AGPC was better than citocholine.  Amphetamines and steroids were looked down upon.    deprenyl was an aphrodesiac and taken in the drop form.  Nicotine was good for you.  The preferred method was making your own pills, because it was too expensive to have someone do it.

after all this time, I still like AGPC, cetams, fish oil, and vitamins and exercise and no drinking. 

ritalin has big pluses and minuses.  so does nicotine. 

I am looking to get on a stack of the above again.

pinball


Hey dude, whuttup? I recall chatting with you right after my encounter with the food and drug branch of Cali, wow, that was crazy? I mean, how I must have sounded. And those crazy emails and Internet posts were embarrassing! Oh yeah, and like I'm gonna marry my friends daughter too! It was obvious I wasn't in good shape mentally, but after the case was over, charges dropped, and products returned, I felt much better! I shut down that business and started HundredLives, which is exciting work for me (and now I don't sell any substances purported to make you live longer or smarter; phew!). Indeed, now -- instead of browsing online forums for topics to reply to with my free time, I'm now working on something that may soon revolutionize the health care industry (you should hear more about this very soon). I still plan on taking a class or two at UCSD to keep my brain active to some extend, however.

With respect to your comments regarding lab testing -- first, I lost most of the excitement you may have seen me exhibit in the efficacy data to support the use of most nootropics; so there also went most of my passion for debating (or as you say "arguing") on the purity of such compounds. I mean, the established evidence for the nootropics I was selling was so weak! I also recall I had these multi-colored, multi-sized fonts threads with selective emphasis on the positive bias, but who was I trying to fool by excluding all of the research that suggests that a compound is ineffective (or unsafe)? And how was I supposed to form an organization that would garner the respect of the spectrum of licensed health care professionals (I mean not just MDs, but NDs, DCs, etc.) presenting what some might classify as misleading? So I took down those forums (or just made them invisible to the public -- if you really want to see those, let me know and I can provide you a special password to see those -- colorful -- "forums").

I think it can be fun to play around in online forums with drug and supplement intake, but most folks aren't about to reveal their entire family and medical history in online forums. Not everyone is going to reveal that they may suffer from epilepsy or that three generations of men in their family have suffered from prostate cancer to folks in an anonymous online forum! And this type of information can make a HUGE difference in an individuals diet or exercise regimen. Don't you think it's rather silly to not work with a professional when determining which medicines or dietary supplements one might consider taking; especially with the advance of Integrative Medicine into mainstream clinical practice? Please click here and listen to Dr. Robert Jaffe discuss this issue.And if you have time, please review all the video clips on that page. I attended a supplements conference in La Jolla, CA and watched presentations from licensed Medical Doctors that convinced me fully I was doing myself a disservice by not taking advantage of the wisdom and extensive training and education of professionals in this area. In this post, I tried to elaborate why one might consider a partnership with a licensed professional may be a wiser choice than self-diagnosing and self-medicating.

Back to what you were saying -- do you think it sounds silly to google health conditions, then read anonymous online forums and simultaneously walk away with a diagnosis and prescription?

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Posted 19 September 2007 - 04:14 PM

Back to what you were saying -- do you think it sounds silly to google health conditions, then read anonymous online forums and simultaneously walk away with a diagnosis and prescription?



Well, if the person searching for information is 'honest' with themselves and doesn't lie to themselves about their health problems and everything, I don't see a problem.


Someone thinks they have disorder A, they have all symptoms of disorder A to the T, BUT it says don't take product X if you have problem B. Product X is recommended to take for disorder A, but only if they don't have problem B. If they go on ahead and take product X, that is not anyone's fault but their own.

Understand?

#5 krillin

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Posted 19 September 2007 - 09:20 PM

Here's how medicine works in the real world.

How can I get all of this done in just 15 minutes? Learning how to practice medicine on this sort of a time-scale is stressful. But it's totally necessary in order to properly train us for a world of health care in which the average physician visit is six minutes!



#6 chipdouglas

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Posted 19 September 2007 - 11:02 PM

Here's how medicine works in the real world.



Very enlightening article, really. I enjoyed reading.

#7 chipdouglas

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Posted 19 September 2007 - 11:07 PM

it's a sad state of affairs, really. We can't blame Med school to get medical students ready for such a reality, cause it is so, but how sad is this !!

#8 pinballwizard

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Posted 04 October 2007 - 02:09 AM

Well, I love my supplements. I am getting back on. There have been huge improvements but enought to make me happy and in a positive frame of mind. I always seem to be happy when taking them, but I am doing other things besides taking this stuff, so I can not attribute everything to the pills.

So, I have been doing this for years... I was sceptical. But now I am a believer. I have not found any cure-all nootropics.

Pinball

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Posted 04 October 2007 - 02:37 AM

pinball, i think you got some really important ones a few years back, not too much has changed ... although there was (still is?) a huge modafinil craze since your absence, the search engine will break if you try to search for that.

#10 pinballwizard

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Posted 04 October 2007 - 03:15 AM

yeah, I never liked modafinil. It made me mix my words... very weird. I experimented at much lower doses since it was pretty strong for me.

Come on guys, anything else?

I had been taking vinpocetine, acetyl l carnitine, bacopa....

#11 cmorera

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Posted 04 October 2007 - 06:26 AM

nothing really new in nootropic world, just better availability and cheaper supplies thats all really

#12 spacey

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Posted 04 October 2007 - 10:35 AM

We're awating the Ampakines, and yeah Modafinil was definately a sort-of breakthrough here.

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#13 pinballwizard

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Posted 07 March 2008 - 04:08 AM

We're awating the Ampakines, and yeah Modafinil was definately a sort-of breakthrough here.


Well there is something we can do after all these years of use... figure out more correct dosages... side-effects, problems.

Also, look at the biggest claimed items--for me the biggest claims I have heard were for:

L-deprenyl--it was the sure way to lengthen your life, at least in rats in the equivalent in decades in humans.

Fish oil

concentrated Royal Jelly

-cetams and Alpha GPC




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