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#1 celindra

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Posted 14 September 2003 - 08:01 AM


The cheap way to the stars - by escalator

If climbing a stairway to heaven sounds like too much hard work, then a conference of 70 scientists and engineers opening in Santa Fe today may offer hope of a more leisurely way into space.
In two days of discussions, the scientists aim to turn into a reality an ambition that has been around for at least a century: the creation of a space elevator that would deliver satellites, spacecraft and even people thousands of kilometres into space along a vertical track.

Engineers say that recent advances in materials science - particularly in the development of carbon nanotubes - mean that such a system, which first gained widespread attention when the science fiction writer Arthur C Clarke described it in his 1979 novel Fountains of Paradise, is no longer pure science fiction.

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Nifty? [huh]

#2 Thomas

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Posted 14 September 2003 - 10:22 AM

It is not true, that it is 100 years old idea. Some Russians invented it less than 50 years ago. Otherwise - nifty.

#3 Lazarus Long

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Posted 24 September 2003 - 03:44 PM

Well just yesterday it made the New York Times Science section as a result of a recent Los Alamos Conference focused on a realistic evaluation of emerging space technolgy.

http://www.nytimes.c...ace/23ELEV.html
Not Science Fiction: An Elevator to Space
New York Times Science
By KENNETH CHANG

SANTA FE, N.M. — With advances toward ultrastrong fibers, the concept of building an elevator 60,000 miles high to carry cargo into space is moving from the realm of science fiction to the fringes of reality.

This month, the Los Alamos National Laboratory was a sponsor of a conference to ponder the concept. Yet, the keynote address was by a titan of science fiction, Arthur C. Clarke, speaking via satellite from his home in Sri Lanka. "I'm happy that people are taking it more and more seriously," said Mr. Clarke, whose novel "The Fountains of Paradise" (1978) revolved around such a space elevator.

The discovery in 1991 of nanotubes, cylindrical molecules of carbon with many times the strength of steel, turned the idea from a fantastical impossibility to an intriguing possibility that could be realized in as little as a decade or two.

Proponents say the economic and technological advantages of a space elevator over rockets make it inevitable. They predict it will lower the cost of putting a satellite into space from $10,000 a pound to $100.

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Thomas is right that it predates Clarke and I suspect Clarke would be the first to say so what? What matters more is that the practical realities of this are emerging.

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#4 bacopa

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Posted 22 October 2003 - 11:38 PM

wow...that's quite an accomplishment if they could do that but I can't imagine it being impossible it seems like a Jack n' beanstock fantasy.

#5 kevin

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Posted 22 October 2003 - 11:43 PM

it's actually quite possible dfowler.. ;)

Check out geostationary/geosynchronous orbits

A satellite in an equatorial circular orbit at a distance of approximately 42,164 km from the center of the Earth, i.e., approximately 35,787 km (22,237 miles) above mean sea level has a period equal to the Earth's rotation on its axis (Sidereal Day=23h56m) and would remain geostationary over the same point on the Earth's equator. In 2002 the Clarke Orbit had over 300 satellites.


http://lakdiva.org/clarke/1945ww/

http://www.space.com...ate_020819.html

#6 outlawpoet

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Posted 12 November 2003 - 11:12 AM

"I'm 86 now," Mr. Clarke said. "So in 20 years' time, I'll only be 106. So maybe I will see it."

Now that's a good attitude. I wonder if Mr. Clarke is an immortalist?

#7 Lazarus Long

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Posted 20 November 2003 - 07:50 PM

While the idea in principle is a bit far fetched for now since the Moon does not rotate around our world symmetric with our day. The solution could be the placement of a receiving station in the LaGrange point or even closer to Earth that could act as a Shuttle stop on the way to the Moon; with an Orbital Station with a down link cable connects the Earth and after a short shuttle transfer another cable reaches the Moon.

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Nanotube Cable Can Connect The Earth And The Moon
Moscow - Nov 18, 2003
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a forest of nanotubes

Researchers from the Institute of Problems of Microelectronics Technology and Extra Pure Materials (Russian Academy of Sciences) have designed and tested a new device for production of a new promising material -- nanotubes. The researchers believe that it is exactly the material a transport cable can be produced of to connect the Moon and the Earth.

Back at the beginning of the last century, the idea was born to build a transport cable between the Earth and the Moon to deliver goods from our planet to the Moon. Until recently, there has been no material enabling to make this idea a reality. Polymers would not stand cosmic radiation, and the steel cable would have enormous weight. The most durable material as of today -- Spectra 1000 -- would allow to produce a cable of only 315 kilometers long, as the longer cable is simply unable to bear its own weight.

Carbonic nanotubes would very well suit the role of a structural material for such a cable. According to the researchers' estimates, a lightweight cable of required length can be produced from this material, the cable being 50 times stronger than the current most durable materials. The problem is that the researchers have not learned yet to produce high quality nanotubes in large quantities: that is either too expensive or feasible only in the laboratory environment. Therefore, this material is still pretty exotic, its price varying from $60 through $100 per gram.

The scientists from Chernogolovka have designed a device that allows to produce pretty large amounts of high quality nanotubes. The device is based on a rather simple scheme: spirit, glycerin or their mixture gets from a specially cooled chamber into the zone of graphite heater bar, where the temperature reaches 1000-2000 degrees C. That results in ultraspeed heating and substance combustion. The products precipitate on a special carbonic glass bell covering the device, or they are removed outside together with vapors and gases, thus allowing to protect the product from various unnecessary impacts.

Precipitations of such kind normally contain amorphous carbon, soot and various particles covered by a shell of carbon, as well as carbon fibre and nanotubes. However, in this particular case the researchers came across a surprise: the precipitations obtained in the device turned out to contain only nanotubes and carbon fibre. No other admixtures were found. It means that a laborious procedure is not required for rectification from unnecessary compoments. The fibres are 30-150 nanometers thick, and nanotubes are 20-50 nanometers thick, their length being several micrometers.

The growth of nanotubes can be accelerated with the help of catalysts -- iron, nickel, cobalt and gold. If the surface where nanotubes are to be precipitated is covered with a thin film of such catalyst in the form of some pattern, then nanotubes will precipitate only upon the pattern, the other parts remaining clean.

In principle, such devices may lay the foundation for industrial production of nanotubes. Maybe, a nanotube cable will soon connect the Moon and the Earth.

Source: Institute of Problems of Microelectronics Technology and Extra Pure Materials

#8 peterhuybregts

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Posted 22 November 2003 - 04:14 PM

A lot of matter used for something you need to reach with a mind

Man cannot reach a Universe build from thought with something they created by their hands...

Besides, we don't need to reach for the Univers, the Universe reaches for us, gimme 20 years & you'll be satisfied.


Peter Pan.

#9 jurojin

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Posted 02 December 2003 - 06:42 PM

Who will fund the first space elevator? And once we have one space elevator, will that be enough? I'd suspect that if one country owned a space elevator, to counteract the military risk other countries would feel pressured to build their own. I can see the generals proclaiming "Mr.president, we *must* not allow a Space-Elevator Gap!"

As with other large projects, the first one is the most expensive. A huge aerospace company, or possibly an effort between several large companies would probaby be able to provide enough capitol. Sealaunch for instance was a joint venture by several companies. However not only would there be risk in building the space elevator, but the threat of a government entity building their own elevator for space defense and hence breaking the space elevator monopoly.

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Posted 09 December 2003 - 11:04 PM

Sounds like an episode of star trek voyager to me :-) (3.10 rise if anyone is interested) but so did satellites when Arthur c Clark proposed them. Would they be linked together this would provide better stability if they did. Hope they have some no fly zone around them to stop terrorists flying into them with planes.
Would this material be strong enough to deflect small meteorites that the earth gets allot of in it’s orbit once a year?




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