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#1 stupidhead

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Posted 30 October 2007 - 04:52 PM


Hi, all you pioneers in pill-based evolution. [glasses]

Thought you might have a day where a clueless initiate to the ranks might fail to produce a deluge of inanity, did you?
How wrong you were. [wis]

Righto - now, I've read quite a few posts, read the FAQs, and spent much more time than I should've wandering from link-to-link on Wikipedia, and have finally succeeded in producing a short list of the smartypants-pills that seem most availing to me. It's my goal in this post to, by presenting you with this list as well as a brief outline of my goals and my medical conditions/history, receive the benefit of your advice on my choices and how to most cost-effectively acquire them. Additionally, I'm seeking to minimize this rigmarole, if possible, so whatever there is listed here that you feel I can safely drop and still come out brainier than I began, please let me know how to prioritize my cuts. I am, at present, living on a rather meagre income, and couldn't possibly afford more than about $80 a month devoted to this endeavor.
Before I begin, I should also like to invite you to criticize my choices and suggest any additions or substitutions that you'd care to. If you can manage to type with punctuation marks and, when appropriate, capitalized letters, I will at least hear you out. If you do neither of those, and have healthy fingers and hands, then you may as well not bother. If your brain can't handle proper typing, how can I believe that you take good care of it?

Modafinil
Saint John's Wart
Bacopa Monniera
Mirapex
Rhodiola Rosea
Fish/Codliver Oil
Idebenone
piracetam/any racetam
Aricept
Centrophenoxine
Varied B-Vitamins

I've never touched a single one of these, apart from a few irregularly taken B vitamins and Fish Oil pills. Neither were taken with the frequency or in the quantity necessary for them to have any significant neurological effects. As I've said, I haven't a great deal of money to spend on a monthly basis. If you could be so kind as to prioritize the list for me, I would greatly appreciate the direction.

I am a creative dilettante; I write, I draw, I paint, I make music. Anything that inhibits intentional "divergent thought", that dulls emotions of any current or intensity, or that impairs my motor skills must be dropped from the list immediately. And yet I also require a significant boost in my ability to "focus in". I despair that my needs may represent an insoluble contradiction.

My primary problem is that I am perpetually without either focus or energy. Attempting any of my interests renders me immediately fatigued, just as I begin to feel the tinge of emergent excitation. When I draw, I become drowsy, and soon even the effort of moving the pencil or pen is too demanding. When I take up a book, it's not belong before I've dozed off with my nose wedged between the pages. While watching films, or listening to music, I'll either doze-off or lose my focus entirely; minutes will pass as I day-dream, and then I'll realize I've taken myself out of the experience and ruined it. When writing, my thoughts drift, and so miss any train of thought with stops on the Story Line - or, when dealing with non-fiction, the Line of Logic. I must re-read any article excessively in order to be confident of my comprehension.

It's absolutely maddening to be unable to do the things I love most due to the constant wandering of my attention, the ebbing of my awareness and vigilance, and the draining of - what feels like, bluntly - my high-level, human consciousness. It can be rather scary at times, and I'll admit that it makes me fear for my future as a professional creative, should I be unable to regain and refocus my energy.

I'll admit just as readily, however, that I am also impelled to seek help here by the urge to develop my powers of wit and intellect. I absolutely lust for the power to retain, analyze and synthesize information more effectively than I do at present. Yet I do regard as serious the problems I perceive in this realm, also. I suffer from a constant awareness of my slowness of thought; I feel distinctly that I am failing to "take hold" of my intellectual powers so as to direct them to any substantial effort. I speak figuratively, of course, but it's as if whatever sparks that collectively constitute thought were, in my own brain, firing scattershot and haphazardly, without direction or coordination. Steam power - but no engine to contain and direct that potentially locomotive energy, thus permitting it to dissipate uselessly. And so I am always unable to throw myself into a chosen undertaking - while it's precisely this quality that is absolutely essential for any creative effort. If I'm not able to improve my condition, I can foresee the blackest depression for me.

As for my mood, I find myself to be almost always either detached, irritated, or careless. My mood is never upbeat; I've known happiness, but not for a very long time. I am constantly pondering doubts and discontentment. As a result, I have become addicted to the pursuit of laughter, and much of my time is (ultimately) wasted on seeking humorous television programs and websites. It is likely to be related to this craving for positive emotion and sensation that my libido seems unusually active.

I often feel deprived of oxygen, as if I cannot breathe enough air into my body, no matter how deeply or quickly I inhale. I feel "distant" from music, as if it were just noise that I were trying very hard to interpret - with no luck. My motor skills are, compared to other visual artists, primitive; those in my acquaintence cannot comprehend my position when I try to explain my inability to draw, with any degree of accuracy, simple volumes, such as the sphere or egg.

I have found some mitigation of the various issues I've listed in the form of a particularly mentally-affective strain of a certain substance to which the global hackey-sack and frisbee industries owe their vast wealth. I can't recall its name at the moment, but you can probably figure it out yourself. It might've been coffee. Yes, that's probably it. In any case, it certainly upped my abilities all around, and the particular blend of coffee that I imbibed had absolutely no lethargic affect upon me. It put me very close to where I'd like to be in terms of not only exciting my energies, but bringing them together in aid of focus. Some negatives, of course, emerged, and these I cannot permit to affect me on any sort of regular basis: slight blurring of vision and moderate impairment of my motor functions. In any case, for a great many reasons, I just don't want coffee to be a constant factor in my lifestyle. I think you'll agree with me on the decision.

In my youth, I was diagnosed by various psychiatrists, who presumably made their diagnoses by throwing darts at walls covered in pamphlets, with, at different times: depression, bi-polar disorder, schizophrenia, OCD, and, oh, anything else nutty, you name it. They pumped me full of all kinds of icky stuff, all through my pubescent development, and I can only thank goodness that I came out of the ordeal with much more of myself intact than some other poor souls (I have no major sexual dysfunction, for example). I have no way of knowing whether my problems now are related to my misdiagnoses and gross overmedication - but, in any case, I simply don't worry about it. The cause is completely irrelevant to me. All that matters is finding a solution. But I mention this aspect of my medical history because I cannot know - while you can - whether these experiences necessitate certain precautions in what I take now. Additionally, it is possible that those previous diagnoses may benefit me now, if they can be used to attain prescriptions for certain nootropics, consequently compelling my insurance to pay for them. To that end, may I also mention that I suffer from tinnitus, being mildly overweight, insomnia, join pain, poor vision (extreme myopia), a fondness for tobacco in all of its non-cigarette forms, and, also, too, well, I'm willing to say whatever else it will benefit me to say in front of the doctor.

In any case, I am particularly interested in how to obtain my final choices in the cheapest (yet safest, in terms of health) method available. What can I expect to get a prescription for? What will need to be paid for by me personally? What can be bought in bulk on the internet? Which brands or varieties are the most effective - and safest?

Well, I could go on, I suppose - but I think I've written enough to start on, and you're certainly getting weary of reading by now. Thanks a million for making it this far, and I do hope that if you intend to help me you'll feel free to ask further questions of my goals and my problems.

Take care, thanks again.

#2 theta

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Posted 30 October 2007 - 05:28 PM

Way too long to keep my inattentive focus but the one thing I picked
up on was low energy you mentioned.

Sleep problems even if you think your getting a good nights sleep could be a major factor. You maybe be getting little deep sleep.
Melatonin might help?

I randomly accessed your post and saw "low oxygen" which reminds
me of sleep apnea. If your overweight or snore loudly that maybe a
factor in poor sleep.

Low thyroid, heavy metal exposure, anemia from low iron, b12 or folate, etc.

Depression can reduce your energy and focus. Mirapex you listed is
being investigated as a treatment for atypical depression. Though it
might cause some sedation. Maybe it can be taken at night to both improve sleep and avoid daytime sedation?

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#3 zacky

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Posted 30 October 2007 - 05:47 PM

Stupidhead if you searched the forums you would have your answer.

#4 stupidhead

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Posted 30 October 2007 - 05:52 PM

What do you suggest that I search for? I cannot search for specific information - the way that the search function works, it's all reduced to one or two words. I did, in fact, search for quite a few words, before I registered an account here. They led me to a number of useful threads, which I read. Having read them, and the FAQs, and most of the recent threads, I still had questions. If you feel I can better utilize information already here on the forum, then I'd be grateful if you could direct me to a more effective method. But I did what searching I could think of, and I don't have time to read every post indiscriminately, and moreover I do not trust myself to know what I need on the basis of the anectdotes of strangers, hence my compulsion to create a thread giving information about myself and asking advice.
So if you're going to suggest that I do more reading instead of expecting any response here, well, you're only being helpful if you offer a little more direction.

#5 theta

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Posted 30 October 2007 - 08:37 PM

You sound like you have inattentive type ADHD like myself.

#6 mitkat

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Posted 30 October 2007 - 09:42 PM

That's an enormous post, stupidhead. Wow, not really comfortable calling you that. ;) That was a decidedly huge post, and although I appreciate your honesty and the amount of thought you've put into it, many users will skip on by. However, I'll do my best to mind my p's n' q's so reading my response is a 'worthy one'.

Modafinil
Saint John's Wart
Bacopa Monniera
Mirapex
Rhodiola Rosea
Fish/Codliver Oil
Idebenone
piracetam/any racetam
Aricept
Centrophenoxine
Varied B-Vitamins


Okay. If you've read the threads like I know you have, than you know to take it one step at a time. These are some varied and quite different substances here. Some are going to have instant effects (modafinil), some longer to arrive (Bacopa) and some's effects may never arrive ('racetams, centro). Some supplements you take may have totally negative effects also.

I may of missed this, but where is the multivitamin? It's the cornerstone of any regimen - either preformed or selected individually painstakingly. Several threads on multi's...choose one - without it, you will never have your bases covered to the extent in which you'll be able to foster any of the change you'd like to see in your mental processing, memory, etc. In short, start on a multi and fish oil. See how it feels for a few weeks, then add Rhodiola to help with stress....you can see where I'm going with this. I can see you're ready to make some change, but you can't jump into it all at once no matter how much you want to.

Touching on a couple of things: lack of oxygen. I could say, investigate hydergine for is vaso properties to take, but it would be easier to simply work out. You say you're slightly overweight...pretty much every member here will ring in that an exercise routine, specifically consisting of a solid cardio workout, will make you feel good. I am sure you've read this in articles before, but now I'm tellin' you! It does make you feel better, helps your co-ordination, multiple benefits. Not saying this will help you with your finer motor skills for drawing, but it certainly will not hurt.

I didn't see your age listed here. This may have to do with your feeling like you can't take control of your intellect. Also, most TV really sucks. Comedy programs I find especially. After uni, I had to move back into my parents house for a bit (love student loans) where I was curious to see they'd finally gotten digital cable. Now they've got 200+ channels with nothing good to watch. Some good nature shows, cartoon network, space, BBC - however even those are sparse. TV sucks.

I've enjoyed a nice coffee in my life also. It doesn't sound like it's a problem, that's good. Too many people rely on that crutch. I was never fond of hackeysack and frisbee - simply seemed too hippie stereotype no matter what the era.

That is my fairly long reply!

#7 stupidhead

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Posted 30 October 2007 - 11:47 PM

Just writing in to thank everyone for their replies! Theta, Mitkat - even Zacky. Thanks for reading and taking the time to write! I'll be waiting a few days longer for another few replies before I write again, so I can respond to everyone at once, but I will mention that I took a good multi-vitamin for granted, and whereas there was no question on that particular I did not include it here.

And I'll also add that if someone like me, without any supplements and in poor mental fitness, can write a post that long, surely you lot (with the benefit of your various "stacks") should have no trouble simply reading through it!

i even formatted it for readability :(

#8 theta

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Posted 31 October 2007 - 07:26 PM

The thing about inattention is you can hyper-focus on things you
like. Its very easy for a person with ADD to write a long winded
post but at the same time find it nearly impossible to read another persons long post. I think you should concentrate alot time
studying about inattentive ADD and you will see the futility in all
but a few treatment options.

amphetamines > ritalin > wellbutrin = modafinil > everything else
about equal to placebo

#9 hamishm00

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Posted 31 October 2007 - 10:22 PM

Placebo placebo ;)

Change your nick to Mr Placebo.

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#10 quarter

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Posted 02 November 2007 - 11:48 AM

High dose fish oil for an extended period (takes time to work) and vigorous exercise (i.e. high intensity but doesn't have to take a long time) would be my top two recommendations for your prioritising. I reckon this would be the safest most economical route for you to go. Okay a quality fish oil at high dose isn't super cheap but it is also not super expensive and I belive it will help. For the vigorous exercise all you need is a park or somewhere to run (so this is free): define a set distance and time yourself running it (I would suggest a distance of around 400m or about 1min of fast running but its really up to you) then give yourself 5mins to recover and repeat a few times depending on your fitness level. Come a back a few days later and try to beat your previous times or match them and run more of them, after you have done this for a while then you can plan more advanced training but I think its good to keep things simple at the start.

I thought your post was fluently written if a little long, a bit like as Mark Twain said, "I'm sorry this letter is so long, but I did not have time to write a shorter one."

Edited by quarter, 02 November 2007 - 02:29 PM.





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