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#31 zoolander

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Posted 07 November 2007 - 04:27 AM

Porthouse I see that you are from Australia like me. From experiance Australia tends to be a little behind the times with products but very well advanced with the research.

I find it just as cheap to get higher quality products from overseas. The Aussie dollar is doing well at the moment to.

For about the same price as the Nivea sunscreen you can get a tube of Neutrogena UltraSheer with Helioplex SPF55+. I recently imported 4 tubes at ~$AU11.00 a pop from DermaDoctor.

You are not going to have any problems getting the Juvess product into the skin. The consistency of the product is good and it spreads very well. Wait for about 5 -10 minutes after you have rubbed it in before you apply the sunscreen. Of course make sure you apply the sunscreen about 2-30 minutes before you go out as well.

Here's to youthful looking skin

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Posted 07 November 2007 - 06:54 AM

Porthouse I see that you are from Australia like me. From experiance Australia tends to be a little behind the times with products but very well advanced with the research.

I find it just as cheap to get higher quality products from overseas. The Aussie dollar is doing well at the moment to.

For about the same price as the Nivea sunscreen you can get a tube of Neutrogena UltraSheer with Helioplex SPF55+. I recently imported 4 tubes at ~$AU11.00 a pop from DermaDoctor.

You are not going to have any problems getting the Juvess product into the skin. The consistency of the product is good and it spreads very well. Wait for about 5 -10 minutes after you have rubbed it in before you apply the sunscreen. Of course make sure you apply the sunscreen about 2-30 minutes before you go out as well.

Here's to youthful looking skin


thanks for the reply Zoo. I'm in Canberra actually and definitely agree with you about getting the products from overseas. I get all my supps from Relentless and (cause i'm a keen boardgamer) get my boardgames from the states as the price is usually a quarter to a third of what they sell them here. looking forward to receiving the juvess and also when the nivea runs out i'll buy the Neutrogena.

but just one more question: is it even necessary to use a toner?

ditto to youthful looking skin! [thumb]

peter

Edited by shepard, 23 November 2007 - 02:35 AM.


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#33 zoolander

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Posted 07 November 2007 - 07:33 AM

Some people seem to think the extra toner step between the cleanser and moisturize is needed. I don't use a toner and my skin is pretty darn good

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Posted 07 November 2007 - 01:57 PM

Got mine today.. I open it up and thought hm what's this yellow stuff around the rim?.. then I removed the white under-lid... ahh it's the product!

I'm just about to try it!

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Posted 07 November 2007 - 05:58 PM

but just one more question: is it even necessary to use a toner?


No. It´s a remain from the days when Hollywood (and real people) used cold cream to remove pancake makeup. Then they had to use a toner to remove the fatty cold cream.

But if the toner contains some active ingredients it can be an alternative to a moisturizer in the summer.

Spray on facial waters are good for dry and reactive skin though. Vichy contains calming sulfur and La roche-posay contains selenium. Be sure to apply the moisturizer quickly after when skin is still damp from the spray (or the non-alcoholic toner) for an extra moisture boost.

Edited by shepard, 23 November 2007 - 02:35 AM.


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Posted 07 November 2007 - 09:55 PM

but just one more question: is it even necessary to use a toner?


No. It´s a remain from the days when Hollywood (and real people) used cold cream to remove pancake makeup. Then they had to use a toner to remove the fatty cold cream.

But if the toner contains some active ingredients it can be an alternative to a moisturizer in the summer.

Spray on facial waters are good for dry and reactive skin though. Vichy contains calming sulfur and La roche-posay contains selenium. Be sure to apply the moisturizer quickly after when skin is still damp from the spray (or the non-alcoholic toner) for an extra moisture boost.


which is what i do - apply the cream while the skin is damp from the non-alcoholic toner. that's awesome, thanks Fredrik and Zoo!

Edited by shepard, 23 November 2007 - 02:36 AM.


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Posted 07 November 2007 - 10:40 PM

The only thing a toner can be handy for is cleaning off cleanser if you haven't done it properly and contracting your pores so they don't get plugged and clogged with the moisturiser you’re about to slap on.

The extent of my low tech toning is splashing cold water on my face after washing off the cleanser with warm water. Pretty cheap and effective [thumb]

BTW I'm in the UK and waiting for my cream and will report back soon.

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Posted 08 November 2007 - 01:30 AM

just got my first tub of juvess. it took ~6 days to get here (australia) with only $5 shipping charge. it applies nice and smoothly. no real fragrence. will keep you posted :p

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Posted 08 November 2007 - 05:24 AM

I just got some a few days ago. I'm running an experiment- Juvess on the right side of my face and a decent moisturizer on the left side. I'm doing this nightly, and will evaluate in about a month or maybe longer. Anyone have a suggestion as to how long it might take to see results? Zoo, you liked it after a few weeks, right?

#40 zoolander

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Posted 08 November 2007 - 07:00 AM

yeah it was about a week

#41 caston

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Posted 08 November 2007 - 12:35 PM

What happened exactly?

#42 Shannon Vyff

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Posted 08 November 2007 - 06:51 PM

My ex-mother-in-law, is a complete lotion fanatic, she has been using lotions for decades, has tried most all the expensive ones. She used Juvess when she was at my home for 5 days and said it worked as well as an expensive kind she'd tried, but didn't make her face break out. She said she is going to order it. My mother is going to to a test later this month. So far I've had quite an experience with it...more on that later when my own test period is done.

#43 tintinet

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Posted 08 November 2007 - 08:12 PM

I've been using it a few days. No adverse reaction so far. Blends into the skin and moisturizes well.

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Posted 09 November 2007 - 02:42 PM

Got mine - 9 days delivery, not bad in general and good for the shipping cost - just have to see if the stuff works better than my own concoction.

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Posted 12 November 2007 - 10:20 AM

Pretty good - It's quite runny but as a result a small amount covers a large area so it should last a long time. Not quite sure about the rubbing water into your face afterwards, I presume this is to enable the hyaluronic acid to suck in more water but it just leaves my face a bit "wet".

Also I have to "leave room" for my sunscreen so I'll probably give the water stage a miss. Bottom line: moisturises well and absorbs completely for a reasonable price even compared to a DIY cream. Good work guys [thumb]

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Posted 12 November 2007 - 10:58 PM

Ok, i bit the bullet and ordered it too :) of course forgot the imminst coupon (yeah, 5 bucks so what). Shipped today. Let's see if it reaches me and what it's like :). Looking forward to it.

"It's for a good cause"™ anyway. At least 40% :)

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Posted 13 November 2007 - 10:00 PM

it sounds intersting but why not LEF's rejuvanex X cream ? It also has a number of interesting ingredients such as green tea, Vit C, HA, beta Glucan, ALA + sun protection etc which may have as many experiemental studies to back these ingredients up - In Juvess we have around 5 ingredients - in LEF 10-15

I am sure some of the experts have some good reasons for why Juvess should be preferred aside from price which is better of course

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Posted 13 November 2007 - 10:59 PM

more is not necessarily better. If I remember correctly rejuvenex cream has Aloe Vera in it

Ingredients

Purified water, ethyhexyl salicylate (octyl salicylate), PEG-12 glyceryl disterate, cetyl alcohol, stearyl alcohol, PEG-100 stearate, butyl methoxydibenzoylmethane (avobenzone), cyclomethicone, glyceryl stearate, hydrogenated coco-glycerides, cyclopentasiloxane, isocetyl stearoyl stearate, glycolic acid, Aloe barbadensis (aloe vera) leaf gel, Camellia oleifera (green tea) extract, Camellia sinensis (white tea) leaf extract, panax ginseng root extract, Solanum tuberosum (potato) starch, thioctic acid (alpha-lipoic acid) allantoin, arginine, beta-glucan, RNA, glycerin, lactic acid, maleated soybean oil (Ceraphyl® NGA), salicylic acid (beta-hydroxy acid), sodium hyaluronate, sodium PCA, squalane, urea, zinc oxide, panthenol (vitamin B5), retinyl palmitate (vitamin A), sodium ascorbyl phosphate (vitamin C), tocopherol (vitamin E), ascorbyl palmitate (vitamin C), butylene glycol, caprylic/capric triglyceride, ammonium acryloyldimethyltaurate/VP copolymer, dimethicone/vinyl dimethicone crosspolymer, disodium EDTA, triethoxycaprylsilane, natural fragrance (lavender/grapefruit essence), methylparaben, phenoxyethanol, propylparaben.


I would not wear this cream in the sun even though it has a sunscreen in it

Toxicol Lett. 2007 Jan 30;168(2):165-75. Epub 2006 Dec 6.Click here to read Links
    Photo-irradiation of Aloe vera by UVA--formation of free radicals, singlet oxygen, superoxide, and induction of lipid peroxidation.
    Xia Q, Yin JJ, Fu PP, Boudreau MD.

    National Center for Toxicological Research, U.S. Food and Drug Administration, Jefferson, AR 72079, USA.

    Aloe vera whole leaf extracts are incorporated into a wide variety of topically applied commercial products. Aloe vera whole leaf extracts may contain anthraquinones, which have been shown to generate reactive oxygen species in the presence of ultraviolet A (UVA) light. Exposure to UVA light alone can also generate reactive oxygen species and is associated with photo-damaged and photo-aged skin in humans. This paper examines the photochemical properties of two Aloe vera whole leaf extracts that differed in their anthraquinone content. In the presence of methyl linoleate, the UVA irradiation of Aloe vera leaf extracts induced lipid peroxidation. The amounts of lipid peroxides formed were higher in the Aloe vera leaf extract that contained lower amounts of anthraquinones. Superoxide dismutase and sodium azide inhibited and deuterium oxide enhanced the formation of lipid peroxides, suggesting that singlet oxygen and superoxide were involved in the mechanism. Spin trapping electron spin resonance (ESR) spectroscopy was used to investigate the generation of free radicals by the UVA photo-irradiated Aloe vera plant extracts. ESR measurements indicated that the UVA photo-irradiation of Aloe vera plant extracts produced carbon-centered free radicals. These results suggest that humans exposed to products that contain Aloe vera whole leaf extracts may have enhanced sensitivity to ultraviolet light.

    PMID: 17197137 [PubMed - indexed for MEDLINE]


The ingredients list is huge. I suspect that most of the effective compounds are in there for their name and would not be at effective dosages. Just looking at glycolyic acid and salicylic acid you need at least 8% and 2% respectively for them to be effective. additionally I think the number for vitamin C is usually around the 5% mark. They're trying to make an all-in-one cream.

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Posted 14 November 2007 - 05:50 AM

yeah you should never mix GHK copper peptides with acidic compounds.


I have been washing my face with a salycilic acid and benzoyl peroxide wash for over 4 years with amazing results. Can I use this cream?

Edited by shepard, 23 November 2007 - 02:36 AM.


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Posted 16 November 2007 - 08:54 PM

I have been washing my face with a salycilic acid and benzoyl peroxide wash for over 4 years with amazing results. Can I use this cream?

You can use the cream but I would separate the application of them, such as Juvess in the morning and salycilic acid/benzoyl peroxide at night.

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Edited by shepard, 23 November 2007 - 02:37 AM.


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Posted 18 November 2007 - 05:17 PM

I have been washing my face with a salycilic acid and benzoyl peroxide wash for over 4 years with amazing results. Can I use this cream?

You can use the cream but I would separate the application of them, such as Juvess in the morning and salycilic acid/benzoyl peroxide at night.

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Benzoyl peroxide is in my opinion toxic pro-aging skincare, good against acne but a promoter of free radicals. Benzoyl peroxide depletes antioxidants in human keratinocytes (PMID: 11522381 ) and is a tumor promoter in mice studies (PMID: 17516861 ). I feel the same about another compund, hydrogen peroxide, sometimes used in mouthwashes and skincare. These are in vitro experimental studies but I would nonetheless advise you to use retinoids instead of benzoyl peroxide.

Retinoids are the most potent topicals against acne and aging skin (tazarotene most comedolytic, better against acne than tretinoin) and the basis of any acne and/or anti-aging skincare regime.

There´s no reason to use a compound toxic to human skin cells when there´s more effective products with the added bonus of anti-aging activity. You can add a salicylic acid face wash if you can tolerate it.

Benzoyl peroxide is a free-radical generating compound widely used in the polymer industry and also in pharmaceuticals as antimicrobial agent to treat acne. However, benzoyl peroxide causes irritation and contact dermatitis in about 1% of patients. Concern over the use of this compound is motivated by the demonstration that it can also act as skin tumor promoter in mice. In addition, benzoyl peroxide induces DNA strand breaks in many cells, including keratinocytes. Benzoyl peroxide toxicity is presumably mediated by the formation of reactive free radicals and by the consumption of intracellular antioxidants.

PMID: 15122653

Another experimental study on BP that shows adverse effect (increased radical formation) of added alpha-tocopherol. You can find many more on pubmed.
PMID: 16753842 [PubMed - indexed for MEDLINE]

Edited by shepard, 23 November 2007 - 02:37 AM.


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Posted 18 November 2007 - 05:19 PM

I can remember having benzoyl peroxide recommended to me when I was a teen with acne. I had no idea how complicated this world truly was ;)

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Posted 18 November 2007 - 06:39 PM

If they threw in some Vit C E and maybe some polyphenols from grape seed, green tea etc I would be much more intrigued, still it looks interesting as the only thing lacking in my supplement routine is a good skin care product... I am really not that excited about a do it yourself project after a few failed attempts that end up turning my skin yellow ;)

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Posted 18 November 2007 - 07:06 PM

If they threw in some Vit C E and maybe some polyphenols from grape seed, green tea etc I would be much more intrigued, still it looks interesting as the only thing lacking in my supplement routine is a good skin care product... I am really not that excited about a do it yourself project after a few failed attempts that end up turning my skin yellow ;)


I like this antioxidant formula from the Estee Lauder companies, Clinique Continuous Rescue Antioxidant Moisturizer (that´s a mouthful, see ingredients below). It sounds like it suits your description. I have some samples and I´m using it on my eye area at night after my retinoid.

Estee Lauder companies (EL) try their formulations both in vitro and in vivo for antioxidant activity so it has been tested on humans and human keratinocytes unlike the Juvess cream. How much you believe in in-house testing is up to you. I prefer studies of complete formulas (the cream or serum) instead of just in vitro studies on single molecules and I prefer in-house studies to no studies at all.

It has botanical antioxidants and anti-inflammatories, stable C and E combo-derivate, creatine, nordihydroguaretic acid, niacinamide, ferulic acid and soy proteins etc. It also has three interesting DNA-repair enzymes from the company Agiderm that has a topical DNA-repair drug on FDA fast track testing for use by XP-patients.

Agiderms commercial non-drug Remergent DNA-repair serum has the same three enzymes but in a higher concentration.

Cliniques cream also has "Eukarion-134"(ethylbisiminomethylguaiacol manganese chloride), a topical catalase mimetic they´ve licensed from a biotech company.

Other EL-companies brands have equally high-end and high-tech antioxidant formulations. For example Estee Lauder advanced night repair concentrate, Prescriptives extreme line preventor and Estee Lauder Idealist Pore-Minimizing Skin Refinisher. These serums also has lots of stuff I don´t really believe in like peptides and other molecules to big to penetrate skin.

But in the end these creams and serums are costly and should only be added, if needed at all, after you´ve covered the bases (stable high UVA daily sunscreen, retinoids and topical C).You´re probably better of using botox as a preventative instead of an antioxidant creams, as it really visibly will treat wrinkles you have and prevent new ones from forming.


Clinique Continuous Rescue Antioxidant Moisturizer -Combination Oily to Oily ingredients:

water\aqua\eau [] cetyl ethylhexanoate [] dimethicone [] silica [] jojoba esters [] cetearyl alcohol [] glycerin [] butylene glycol [] glyceryl stearate [] pentaerythrityl tetraethylhexanoate [] peg-100 stearate [] petrolatum [] rosmarinus officinalis (rosemary) extract [] curcuma longa (turmeric) root extract [] laminaria saccharina extract [] echinacea pallida (coneflower) extract [] arabidopsis thaliana extract [] perilla ocymoides seed extract [] plankton extract [] laurdimonium hydroxypropyl hydrolyzed soy protein [] lauroyl lysine [] creatine [] adenosine phosphate [] chamomilla recutita (matricaria) [] sorbitol [] sea whip extract [] sodium hyaluronate [] tocopheryl acetate [] micrococcus lysate [] trehalose [] niacinamide [] cetearyl glucoside [] caprylyl glycol [] polyethylene [] cholesterol [] carbomer [] tromethamine [] caffeine [] cetyl alcohol [] sodium rna [] astrocaryum murumuru butter [] linoleic acid [] lecithin [] ascorbyl tocopheryl maleate [] isodecyl salicylate [] zinc pca [] mannitol [] ethylbisiminomethylguaiacol manganese chloride [] disodium nadh [] aminopropyl ascorbyl phosphate [] c1-8 alkyl tetrahydroxycyclohexanoate [] hydroxyethylcellulose [] potassium sulfate [] maltodextrin [] ferulic acid [] dextrin [] xanthan gum [] nordihydroguaiaretic acid [] hexylene glycol [] sodium chloride [] disodium edta [] phenoxyethanol

Edited by shepard, 23 November 2007 - 02:38 AM.


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Posted 18 November 2007 - 08:57 PM

[quote]I have been washing my face with a salycilic acid and benzoyl peroxide wash for over 4 years with amazing results. Can I use this cream?

You can use the cream but I would separate the application of them, such as Juvess in the morning and salycilic acid/benzoyl peroxide at night[/quote][quote]

Hmm. So If I'm using using a Glycolic Acid (3%), Salicylic Acid cleanser in the morning I should not use Juvess..? ..And If you should not use retinoids near copper peptides then should I not use it in my nightly regime?

It would appear that I would have to change my regime in order to integrate Juvess, please let me know if I have mis-interpreted any of these contraindications.

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Posted 18 November 2007 - 11:06 PM

Hmm. So If I'm using using a Glycolic Acid (3%), Salicylic Acid cleanser in the morning I should not use Juvess..? ..And If you should not use retinoids near copper peptides then should I not use it in my nightly regime?

It would appear that I would have to change my regime in order to integrate Juvess, please let me know if I have mis-interpreted any of these contraindications.

I was actually worrying about possible interactions with benzoyl peroxide. To be safe, I would use Juvess at morning away from retinoids.

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Edited by shepard, 23 November 2007 - 02:38 AM.


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Posted 19 November 2007 - 09:01 AM

Ok, thanks for that. [thumb]

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Posted 19 November 2007 - 05:34 PM

Where is more info about this cream? Where do I buy it?

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Posted 19 November 2007 - 05:37 PM

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Posted 19 November 2007 - 07:00 PM

I have naturally dry skin and Juvess doesn't seem to help at all. After a good amount of juvess i have to apply a base cream from skinactives to fully moisturize my face. I'm not sure why I need another application from a cream that has the exact ingredient as juvess base. skinactives and juvess both use these ingredient as their base: hyaluronic acid and jojoba, avocado, sweet almond, and sesame oils.

I was hoping to find an all in one face cream that moisturizes and has anti aging properties.




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