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[davidjhodson]

As a DJ, I read something recently about Piracetam and audio, how due to the increased cross-hemisphere activity it makes it easier for subjects to discern between two different sounds playing in each ear. The study was something about recognizing words being read, and which ear normally "dominates" -
So the question is, does piracetam change anything in regards to your hearing? Would it theoretically allow someone to better distinguish between two audio sources (like, for instance, something playing in one ear on headphones and something playing in the other ear, from say, oh, speakers)... ?

I ordered a set of 240 800 mg pills of the stuff, in addition to 250 mg pills of Choline. For someone just starting out, is that an ok starting point?
I'd be interested in any nootropics that deal with enhancing audio response, cross-hemisphere activity, and perception.

Oh, and just to be transparent, I'm also on a 100mg dosage of modafinil 5 days a week to help with a long term depression problem I've been fighting. I stay away from the stuff on the weekends to ensure that I catch up on any possible sleep debt incurred, but I don't use the stuff to not sleep, I mainly use it for it's "mood-brightening" and the fact that it keeps away the fatigue that has plagued me with long-term depression (3 yrs now). I tried "normal" antidepressants, but they all seemed to either make me more tired, impotent, or sick. Cest La Vie.

Also on fish-oil as an added dietary supplement, but I can't recall what amount.

Any other suggestions? I'm trying to do this "right", but also without breaking the bank.

Thanks,
Dave

[jackinbox]

Aniracetam improved my perception of sounds.

[mentatpsi]

i believe it's perception of sound rather than improvement of the mechanics of hearing, but perhaps perception will increase motivation to excerise such muscles through training by paying more attention to what is heard. To make it simplier, it is the relativity of perception that induces the state where sounds become more beautiful, more intense, and creating more emotional ripples. Try meditation for your depression, not instead but alongside, i'm transfixed on the notion of mind training when it comes to the emotional aspect of life, since emotions relate to perception, and perceptions can be altered with time. Best of luck.

[blazewind]

I am on 2400mg/day oxiracetam and the music effect has blown me away, I don't even know how to describe it. It adds a new dimension to sound. I am trying to write more but I am stumped, it's like trying to explain color to someone who only sees in black and white. Is it even possible to do research studies on this?

[mitkat]

As a DJ, I read something recently about Piracetam and audio, how due to the increased cross-hemisphere activity it makes it easier for subjects to discern between two different sounds playing in each ear. The study was something about recognizing words being read, and which ear normally "dominates" -
So the question is, does piracetam change anything in regards to your hearing? Would it theoretically allow someone to better distinguish between two audio sources (like, for instance, something playing in one ear on headphones and something playing in the other ear, from say, oh, speakers)... ?

I ordered a set of 240 800 mg pills of the stuff, in addition to 250 mg pills of Choline. For someone just starting out, is that an ok starting point?
I'd be interested in any nootropics that deal with enhancing audio response, cross-hemisphere activity, and perception.

Oh, and just to be transparent, I'm also on a 100mg dosage of modafinil 5 days a week to help with a long term depression problem I've been fighting. I stay away from the stuff on the weekends to ensure that I catch up on any possible sleep debt incurred, but I don't use the stuff to not sleep, I mainly use it for it's "mood-brightening" and the fact that it keeps away the fatigue that has plagued me with long-term depression (3 yrs now). I tried "normal" antidepressants, but they all seemed to either make me more tired, impotent, or sick. Cest La Vie.

Also on fish-oil as an added dietary supplement, but I can't recall what amount.

Any other suggestions? I'm trying to do this "right", but also without breaking the bank.

Thanks,
Dave

Hey there,

I don't know if piracetam actually changes anything in your hearing as much as a mild increase in cross hemispheric activity (as reported by some papers). As a DJ, you must find yourself holding your set up to your dominant ear as it is...I don't know of any supp that truly improves hearing, IME. Like mysticpsi said, mind training/brain training are useful tools, and ear training programs are put out by audiologist...I've never heard of a DJ using one before though. Vinpocetine improves vasodilation and micro-circulation in the brain, this could help greatly also.

What is the choline source in the 250mg caps? That's important as there is the matter of different quality sources. 800mg piracetam is not unheard of. I would say start lower personally, so just be mindful of any side-effects you experience. Fish oil and a quality multi and really important and should be considered to be the basis for anything you'll be taking. That's all you really need to be doing it right for starters. I'm assuming your diet is ok?

Most importantly, what are you spinning??

[davidjhodson]

Hmm. Been on the pricetam for a few days, still way too early to tell if it is doing anything positive. I mean, I think I feel different, but it's probably just placebo.

The choline source I'm taking is a Choline/Isotone combo from NOW nutrients, I believe. It is 250 mg of each. I'm unsure of the quality of the source.

For a daily vitamin, I'm just taking a Costco men's multi-vitamin supplement. Nothing fancy, just your average overload of vitamins and minerals. I can list out the contents when I get home if necessary.

As for my diet, well, it's up and down. I don't eat what I consider to be overly healthy food, but at the same time I'm not gourging myself on fast-food every day. The usual food routine is grabbing a muffin in the morning (poppy seed usually), having a sandwhich for lunch, and then having some kind of home-cooked dinner (chicken pot pie, spaghetti, whatever is around the kitchen). Overall I'm sure I could eat better, but I don't feel like I'm necessarly slumming it.

As for music I spin, I do drum n bass, house, and hip-hop. I'm trying to concentrate most on house and drum n bass lately, as there are so many hip-hop DJs that I've gotten rather tired of fighting for those gigs.
If you want to hear my production work, you can visit myspace.com/gothamcityproject - In a few weeks I should have www.gothamcityproject.com vamped up and ready to go, including full-length downloadable mixes. Just friend me on the myspace and you'll find out about any updates.

And thank you for the advice

Dave

[REGIMEN]

Don't waste your money on choline supplements; go straight to centrophenoxine. That and add 50mg of Modafinil to each dose phase (250-500mg Centrophenoxine with the 200-800mg Piracetam; make it 4mg of Galantamine if you can't get the Modafinil/Adderall). A few days into taking Piracetam is not too early to notice effects. Try taking it on an empty stomach with half a cup of coffee and a quarter grapefruit (not kidding here). In fact, add 3-4 radishes to each meal, cut the friedfoods/dairy/flour/soy/beef/pork/MSG and you should start to notice your senses returning without the drugs. No slouching as that decreases blood flow to liver/gallbladder/pancrease which has a major effect on the speed and scope of decision making ("Liver Qi Stagnation" is a very common diagnosis made amongst a U.S./Western-diet population by TCM practitioners): set your gear up higher than normal...on a slight tilt. Practice Qi Gong for 15-30 minutes upon waking, before bed, and if possible midday. Learn how to eat properly by following the Five Element Theory(sour and bitter of the Coffee/Grapefruit combo should make sense then).

Edited by liplex, 14 November 2007 - 03:25 AM.

[pezzonovante]

Piracetam has slightly increased my audible perception. I have some pretty high fidelity canalphones (Shure E4Cs if anyone here is into that) and I noticed little sounds for the first time, even in songs I've heard hundreds of times before. Very subtle effect though.