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[abolitionist]

and/or CFL light bulbs which release toxins every time they are turned on

CFL bulbs release toxins? Really? I've never heard this before. What exactly are they claimed to emit?

http://notrickszone....ausing-vapours/

[abolitionist]

alot of our electrical appliances emit harmful gasses when in use

[niner]

and/or CFL light bulbs which release toxins every time they are turned on

CFL bulbs release toxins? Really? I've never heard this before. What exactly are they claimed to emit?

http://notrickszone....ausing-vapours/

ok, this is just alarmism. Here is a comment from that source:

Those ‘phenols’ emitted are indeed the same as from any electronic appliance. In fact, since the dawn of electronics. Old tube type radios and tv’s always had a distinctive smell when operating. From.. guess what – phenol resins outgassing! And I’ll pretty much guarantee there’s less from a house full of CFL’s than from one 1950 Grundig table radio.

If you're worried about outgassing from CFLs, you'd better get rid of any carpeting, particle board, OSB, plywood, drywall, personal care products, and probably a million other things in your house. And you shouldn't ride in cars.

[abolitionist]

yep, pollution has gotten to the point where most people just say what the fuck and stop trying

but indoor air pollution is a real concern

https://en.wikipedia...oor_air_quality

if you add up all the things that contribute, you'll either want to ventilate or filter your air and in the winter time...

but humans weren't designed to worry so much, that's why pollution is creeping up on us

[InquilineKea]

Does anyone know of any whole-home air purifiers that actually work?

[niner]

yep, pollution has gotten to the point where most people just say what the fuck and stop trying
but indoor air pollution is a real concern
https://en.wikipedia...oor_air_quality
if you add up all the things that contribute, you'll either want to ventilate or filter your air and in the winter time...
but humans weren't designed to worry so much, that's why pollution is creeping up on us

I'm not saying you shouldn't care about any of it, I'm saying that you should care about the stuff that matters and not stress about the minor components of indoor air pollution. The big emitters are things like cooking and certain building materials, carpets and some other surfaces, appliances, animal dander, molds, and other allergens. Older homes are drafty enough that they are self-ventilating. In a newer tighter home, it's a good idea to ventilate. There are heat-exchange ventilators that exhaust pollutants and bring in fresh air without losing too much energy in the process.

Does anyone know of any whole-home air purifiers that actually work?

Depends how much you want to spend. I have a small Rabbit Air unit in my bedroom, but whole house units cost too much. If I didn't have radiant heating, the equation would change some for me. To do an effective whole house filtration system, it's best to have a forced air HVAC system. You can now get, for not that much money, some pretty decent pleated filters for conventional forced air ventilation systems. I go that route in the summer, since I have forced air AC.

[abolitionist]

Does anyone know of any whole-home air purifiers that actually work?

activated carbon filters with hepa pre-filters work

you just need enough airflow through the filter, which requires a powerful fan (measured in CFM)

[Gediminas Jesinas]

Don't buy fake HEPA filters called HEPA type, best air purifiers use efficient centrifugal and silent bearing fans. Carbon filter can help but plants do clean air vapors well, look papper NASA did on plants. Ion filters can produce ozone however I smell nothing. But UV-C lamps will produce it.