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[forever freedom]

Very interesting, although i do not care much about outer space exploration before we can figure a way to live indefinitely.

[missminni]

I understand that space habitats are considered as having potential to raise life-spans, partly from clean environments, partly from avoiding terrestrial inherent uncertainties (earthquakes, storms, floods, etc.) and plenty of power and special conditions for treating various maladies. Might be nice to have plenty of room to grow and expand without impinging on others.

Why am I thinking that this is probably part of somebody's plan after they waste the earth?

having said that, when I was a kid, I used to have a recurring dream of being taken by aliens to a planet
where everything was crystal and clean and nobody got sick and people lived forever. It was
lovely. I used to never want to go, cause I was worried about leaving my parents, but when I got there, I wouldn't want to leave.

[missminni]

The Earth will be the source of our organic materials with which to populate the ecosystems of our space colonies. It will need to be repaired and sustained as a conservation site. Without somewhere to go, we will destroy this original colony and most likely ourselves. To colonize space in a big way, we will need to consider and respect our source colony as a finite and precious resource. We will need to learn how to get beyond all the fantasy borders we now attempt to enforce and respect its real borders, the requirements and needs of its life support system, our life support system. It's been estimated the amount of available habitable space we could create could surpass 300 times the area of habitable space on our home world in 75 years. Here are a few sites that detail some of these speculations, http://www.google.co...e/Colonization/

I would hope for this, but I sure don't see any indication of it.
Not unless they are planning on scorching the earth and starting all over.

[missminni]

We need to find a way to lose the "they" and incorporate that "hope" into "we." I think you are a goddess in formulation. Be benevolent and our powers can do wondrous things. Otherwise, "we" most likely self-annihilate.

good advice. thanks

[solbanger]

I understand that space habitats are considered as having potential to raise life-spans, partly from clean environments, partly from avoiding terrestrial inherent uncertainties (earthquakes, storms, floods, etc.) and plenty of power and special conditions for treating various maladies. Might be nice to have plenty of room to grow and expand without impinging on others.

Why am I thinking that this is probably part of somebody's plan after they waste the earth?

having said that, when I was a kid, I used to have a recurring dream of being taken by aliens to a planet
where everything was crystal and clean and nobody got sick and people lived forever. It was
lovely. I used to never want to go, cause I was worried about leaving my parents, but when I got there, I wouldn't want to leave.

I think most sci fi fans had that dream once or twice in their youth! I mean the Superman movies and comics basically showcased that habitat to our impressionable minds in the 70's. I always wondered why we consider crystal or plain color futurescapes as being ideal? Wizard of Oz anyone? Maybe there's an inclination in primate brains in order to seek flashy or transparent items and thus a huge city made of gems becomes 'paradise.' I mean it is actually really impractical, having to clean all that glass all the time. When someone turns on a light you could see up the skirt of the people above you. Also all the hallways look the same and bathrooms are see-through, as well as the pipes!

Seriously though I think that the future dwellings would probably blend into the natural environment and have a more feng shui harmony with the surrounding fauna. Disguised hyper technology might be the home building trend of the year 3000.

[missminni]

I understand that space habitats are considered as having potential to raise life-spans, partly from clean environments, partly from avoiding terrestrial inherent uncertainties (earthquakes, storms, floods, etc.) and plenty of power and special conditions for treating various maladies. Might be nice to have plenty of room to grow and expand without impinging on others.

Why am I thinking that this is probably part of somebody's plan after they waste the earth?

having said that, when I was a kid, I used to have a recurring dream of being taken by aliens to a planet
where everything was crystal and clean and nobody got sick and people lived forever. It was
lovely. I used to never want to go, cause I was worried about leaving my parents, but when I got there, I wouldn't want to leave.

I think most sci fi fans had that dream once or twice in their youth! I mean the Superman movies and comics basically showcased that habitat to our impressionable minds in the 70's. I always wondered why we consider crystal or plain color futurescapes as being ideal? Wizard of Oz anyone? Maybe there's an inclination in primate brains in order to seek flashy or transparent items and thus a huge city made of gems becomes 'paradise.' I mean it is actually really impractical, having to clean all that glass all the time. When someone turns on a light you could see up the skirt of the people above you. Also all the hallways look the same and bathrooms are see-through, as well as the pipes!

Seriously though I think that the future dwellings would probably blend into the natural environment and have a more feng shui harmony with the surrounding fauna. Disguised hyper technology might be the home building trend of the year 3000.

I had these dreams in the early 1950's. I was born in 1946. I would say from when I was 4 till I was about 10.
1950 to 56. TV sci fi was not exactly Star Trek then. I think we had Flash Gordon. He had a cardboard spaceship.
ETA~
Just thinking back about those dreams,
I remember, there was natural landscape too. Rolling hills and mountains like we have here, only prettier. The crystal
was part of the landscape, not the entire landscape. I remember standing by the crystal, which was like a mountain that also
was a building, and looking out
on this most beautiful rolling field with mountains in the background and thinking how I wished my parents could be there with me.
I was very little when I had these dreams and my big concern was always being so far away from my parents.

Edited by missminni, 18 December 2007 - 09:09 PM.

[solbanger]

I understand that space habitats are considered as having potential to raise life-spans, partly from clean environments, partly from avoiding terrestrial inherent uncertainties (earthquakes, storms, floods, etc.) and plenty of power and special conditions for treating various maladies. Might be nice to have plenty of room to grow and expand without impinging on others.

Why am I thinking that this is probably part of somebody's plan after they waste the earth?

having said that, when I was a kid, I used to have a recurring dream of being taken by aliens to a planet
where everything was crystal and clean and nobody got sick and people lived forever. It was
lovely. I used to never want to go, cause I was worried about leaving my parents, but when I got there, I wouldn't want to leave.

I think most sci fi fans had that dream once or twice in their youth! I mean the Superman movies and comics basically showcased that habitat to our impressionable minds in the 70's. I always wondered why we consider crystal or plain color futurescapes as being ideal? Wizard of Oz anyone? Maybe there's an inclination in primate brains in order to seek flashy or transparent items and thus a huge city made of gems becomes 'paradise.' I mean it is actually really impractical, having to clean all that glass all the time. When someone turns on a light you could see up the skirt of the people above you. Also all the hallways look the same and bathrooms are see-through, as well as the pipes!

Seriously though I think that the future dwellings would probably blend into the natural environment and have a more feng shui harmony with the surrounding fauna. Disguised hyper technology might be the home building trend of the year 3000.

I had these dreams in the early 1950's. I was born in 1946. I would say from when I was 4 till I was about 10.
1950 to 56. TV sci fi was not exactly Star Trek. I think we had Flash Gordon. He had a cardboard spaceship.

The idea had been germinating since, well, the 1800's, and probably well before. For instance the Temple of Solomon in myth was a kingdom made of gold. The Wizard of Oz featured an emerald city. The book Atlantis published at the turn of the century features the ever-popular city in a glass dome. It's a fairly easy fantasy to imagine having a metropolis or a kingdom made of jewels and having this represent a utopia of some sort. You don't even have to be exposed to the idea of a supreme city to have fantasies about one. Every kid does this. I'm pretty sure every kid thinks they're unique when they have it when it's really just plain old imagination. Just take something great like diamonds, gold or heck even baseball cards, and turn it into a city, and viola! you've got a childhood power fantasy. My point was that many of these vista fantasies are often made of something shiny, rather than something dark and brooding like, say, rubber tires. This might be a peculiar function of our primate brains - maybe even part of the mating response i.e. sparkly eyes, hair etc.

[missminni]

delete duplicate sorry

Edited by missminni, 19 December 2007 - 07:59 AM.

[missminni]

The idea had been germinating since, well, the 1800's, and probably well before. For instance the Temple of Solomon in myth was a kingdom made of gold. The Wizard of Oz featured an emerald city. The book Atlantis published at the turn of the century features the ever-popular city in a glass dome. It's a fairly easy fantasy to imagine having a metropolis or a kingdom made of jewels and having this represent a utopia of some sort. You don't even have to be exposed to the idea of a supreme city to have fantasies about one. Every kid does this. I'm pretty sure every kid thinks they're unique when they have it when it's really just plain old imagination. Just take something great like diamonds, gold or heck even baseball cards, and turn it into a city, and viola! you've got a childhood power fantasy. My point was that many of these vista fantasies are often made of something shiny, rather than something dark and brooding like, say, rubber tires. This might be a peculiar function of our primate brains - maybe even part of the mating response i.e. sparkly eyes, hair etc.

I wasn't referring to my dream as anything special to me alone.
I am happy to know it's shared by most of humanity. That's a good sign. However, I don't agree with your theory as to why.
I think when we dream, aside from the rehashing our thoughts and experiences, we feed into a collective unconscious with universal themes and that Utopian place, where people never die, is one of them.

Edited by missminni, 19 December 2007 - 12:36 AM.

[maxwatt]

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Why am I thinking that this is probably part of somebody's plan after they waste the earth?

having said that, when I was a kid, I used to have a recurring dream of being taken by aliens to a planet
where everything was crystal and clean and nobody got sick and people lived forever. It was
lovely. I used to never want to go, cause I was worried about leaving my parents, but when I got there, I wouldn't want to leave.

Did they have blue hair?

[missminni]

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Why am I thinking that this is probably part of somebody's plan after they waste the earth?

having said that, when I was a kid, I used to have a recurring dream of being taken by aliens to a planet
where everything was crystal and clean and nobody got sick and people lived forever. It was
lovely. I used to never want to go, cause I was worried about leaving my parents, but when I got there, I wouldn't want to leave.

Did they have blue hair?

lol
what are you thinking....I got it mixed up with Florida?