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[MP11]

What's the largest amount of piracetam (or any other noot or supplement) you've taken at one time or in one day? Was it a good idea?

Edit: for what its worth, for a while wikipedia said 45g was the largest amount recorded in a study though I don't think a link to the "fact" was found so it was removed.

Edited by mp11, 22 December 2007 - 07:37 PM.

[luv2increase]

What's the largest amount of piracetam (or any other noot or supplement) you've taken at one time or in one day? Was it a good idea?

Edit: for what its worth, for a while wikipedia said 45g was the largest amount recorded in a study though I don't think a link to the "fact" was found so it was removed.

I think a couple years ago I took 6 grams at one time. The most in a day would probably be around 10 grams.

Was it a good idea?

With regards to what? I don't really remember anything significant from them. They must not have done any better than the dosages which I take now; otherwise, I would have remembered and been still taking those high dosages today.

It is virtually impossible to die from taking too much piracetam. You would probably be puking badly before you could possibly ingest enough to kill you.

from http://www.smart-dru...s-piracetam.htm

Piracetam's "LD50" (the lethal dose which kills 50% of test animals), Piracetam failed to achieve an LD50 when given to rats intravenously at 8gm/kg bodyweight. (1) Similarly, oral LD50 studies in mice, rats, and dogs given 10gm Piracetam/kg bodyweight also produced no LD50! (1) This would he mathematically equivalent to giving a 70 kg (154 pound) person 700gm (1.54 pounds) of Piracetam! As Tacconi and Wurtman note, ''Piracetam apparently is virtually non-toxic. Rats treated chronically with 100 to 1,000 mg/kg orally for 6 months and dogs treated with as much as 10g/kg orally for 1 year did not show any toxic effect. No teratogenic (birth deformity) effects were found, nor was behavioral tolerance noted." (22) Thus, Piracetam must be considered one of the toxicologically safest drugs ever developed.

I don't think you'd have to worry about experiencing anything negative from testing the fields at higher than average dosages. I also don't think you'd experience anything special from it either. Why not test the fields with it? It is one of those substances which you'd safely be able to do this. That is your reasoning for asking this question isn't it?

Edited by luv2increase, 22 December 2007 - 11:04 PM.

[MP11]

With regards to what? I don't really remember anything significant from them. They must not have done any better than the dosages which I take now; otherwise, I would have remembered and been still taking those high dosages today.

It is virtually impossible to die from taking too much piracetam. You would probably be puking badly before you could possibly ingest enough to kill you.

from http://www.smart-dru...s-piracetam.htm

Piracetam's "LD50" (the lethal dose which kills 50% of test animals), Piracetam failed to achieve an LD50 when given to rats intravenously at 8gm/kg bodyweight. (1) Similarly, oral LD50 studies in mice, rats, and dogs given 10gm Piracetam/kg bodyweight also produced no LD50! (1) This would he mathematically equivalent to giving a 70 kg (154 pound) person 700gm (1.54 pounds) of Piracetam! As Tacconi and Wurtman note, ''Piracetam apparently is virtually non-toxic. Rats treated chronically with 100 to 1,000 mg/kg orally for 6 months and dogs treated with as much as 10g/kg orally for 1 year did not show any toxic effect. No teratogenic (birth deformity) effects were found, nor was behavioral tolerance noted." (22) Thus, Piracetam must be considered one of the toxicologically safest drugs ever developed.

I don't think you'd have to worry about experiencing anything negative from testing the fields at higher than average dosages. I also don't think you'd experience anything special from it either. Why not test the fields with it? It is one of those substances which you'd safely be able to do this. That is your reasoning for asking this question isn't it?

I've always been unsure of that statements in that smart-drugs website. I like to get information from sites that aren't selling anything though I have to admit I didn't notice that they had footnotes before (though their footnotes seem to link to just another set of statements, no real studies).

Funny you should suggest for me to try to test it out considering your username. The only thing I worry about with piracetam is undue kidney stress. Certainly if it's only one time it seems that I would have trouble doing any damage but then again if damage is done I've got myself a bigger problem. The possible damage doesn't seem worth taking a few extra grams to find out if anything new happens. With this said, I'm not sure where to draw this danger line as of now.

Regardless, I tend to like to push these sorts of things in the direction of the limits though unfortunately I'm not in as good health as I was a little while ago. Being a little worse than before could make the effects interestingly different though my testing isn't finished.

So far today I've taken 24g piracetam along with a few grams of oxiracetam and aniracetam and some other assorted stuff. This has all been space out starting at 5am with no more than 7g piracetam at one time though sometimes doses have come an hour apart.

[luv2increase]

So far today I've taken 24g piracetam along with a few grams of oxiracetam and aniracetam and some other assorted stuff. This has all been space out starting at 5am with no more than 7g piracetam at one time though sometimes doses have come an hour apart.

Usually when someone increases their dosages, they do it 'slowly'. You, my friend, went all gung ho. Not smart. Also, you mixed it with two other and STRONGER racetams. What are you thinking man? Please go slow next time.


How do you feel? Like crap?

[MP11]

So far today I've taken 24g piracetam along with a few grams of oxiracetam and aniracetam and some other assorted stuff. This has all been space out starting at 5am with no more than 7g piracetam at one time though sometimes doses have come an hour apart.

Usually when someone increases their dosages, they do it 'slowly'. You, my friend, went all gung ho. Not smart. Also, you mixed it with two other and STRONGER racetams. What are you thinking man? Please go slow next time.


How do you feel? Like crap?

As far as the two stronger racetams go, I've had 4g oxi and 7.8g ani. To be honest, I feel fine. In my past I think I would be quite wired right now but for some reason after my noot break and lack of exercise and diet I don't feel them like you might expect. There's also some hup-a (the supplement I'd be most worried about), idebonene, sulbutiamine, bioperine and vinpocetine in there as well. I have few shaky theories to explain my lack sensitivity right now but I'll let you know when I think I come across one more concrete.

Also, not to get off topic but if anyone has used both vinpocetine and vincamine I'd like to hear about it. I recently switched over to vinpocetine becuase vincamine was out of stock but as of now I don't know what to make of it.

[Rags847]

mp11, are you doing anything today to engage your brain's mental capacities to the fullest?
When I read challenging material or am at work running around intensely, then I can feel Piracetam's enhancing effects.
If I'm just hanging around the apartment doing mundane tasks, little effect may be apparent.

[zoolander]

What is the purpose of a thread titled "What is the max amount of piracetam you have ever taken"

What a waste of space

[Rags847]

I think the thread has great purpose. Piracetam's usual dosage range is between 4 and 9 grams per day. Large attack doses the first day is often recommended to first time users. It has no known toxicity levels. Inquiring about the different effects found at different dosage amounts is legit. Does it have a bell-shaped curve? Is there a point of diminishing returns?
Asking for people's annecdotal experience is a large part of what this website is all about.
And the thread title itself is neutral - it advocates nothing.

[luv2increase]

I think the thread has great purpose. Piracetam's usual dosage range is between 4 and 9 grams per day. Large attack doses the first day is often recommended to first time users. It has no known toxicity levels. Inquiring about the different effects found at different dosage amounts is legit. Does it have a bell-shaped curve? Is there a point of diminishing returns?
Asking for people's annecdotal experience is a large part of what this website is all about.
And the thread title itself is neutral - it advocates nothing.

Well asking someone to recollect on the highest amount of piracetam and every other noot ever taken in one day and at one instance is absurd in you really think about it.


The best thing to do is experiment the effects of difference dosages for yourself. You are the better indicator than peoples' experiences on whether or not a certain supp or dosage is better or not for you. Also, if you want opinions, search the forums or the internet.

[Rags847]

Well asking someone to recollect on the highest amount of piracetam and every other noot ever taken in one day and at one instance is absurd in you really think about it.


The best thing to do is experiment the effects of difference dosages for yourself. You are the better indicator than peoples' experiences on whether or not a certain supp or dosage is better or not for you. Also, if you want opinions, search the forums or the internet.

I still don't see what is "absurd" about asking for people to recollect their experiences with nootropics.
The idea that if you want opinions go search the forums and internet and not ask something specific in a new thread make no sense, either.
The only waste of space here are these arrogant, off-topic replies.

[luv2increase]

I still don't see what is "absurd" about asking for people to recollect their experiences with nootropics.

Many people have taken a myriad of nootropics for long periods of time. Some people not so long but a long time ago. That would be a lot of wasted thinking and typing. We aren't here to do your dirty work for you, so to speak. Also, why do you want to use super high dosages? Some things you may not realize but have been mentioned numerous times on these forums. Everyone is different. Not everyone reacts the same to a certain substance OR a particular amount for that substance. You should start low and progress higher until you reach a point that the dosages is counter-productive. Once at that point, reduce to your optimal level. This is called titration. Doctors use this a lot with medications when finding the right dosage level.


You question of this thread would lead to a bunch of responses which don't have any relevancy to the better good at hand.

[Rags847]

I still don't see what is "absurd" about asking for people to recollect their experiences with nootropics.

Many people have taken a myriad of nootropics for long periods of time. Some people not so long but a long time ago. That would be a lot of wasted thinking and typing. We aren't here to do your dirty work for you, so to speak. Also, why do you want to use super high dosages? Some things you may not realize but have been mentioned numerous times on these forums. Everyone is different. Not everyone reacts the same to a certain substance OR a particular amount for that substance. You should start low and progress higher until you reach a point that the dosages is counter-productive. Once at that point, reduce to your optimal level. This is called titration. Doctors use this a lot with medications when finding the right dosage level.


You question of this thread would lead to a bunch of responses which don't have any relevancy to the better good at hand.

This anti-knowledge stance is "absurd". "Many people have taken a myriad of nootropics... [asking people to relate their experiences] would be a lot of wasted thinking and typing." We all shouldn't relate nootropic experiences with each other since "we aren't here to do [other's] dirty work for [them]." Yea, we are all an island and shouldn't communicate with each other. Then this website should be destroyed and dismantled.
The "question of this thread would lead to a bunch of responses which don't have any relevancy to the better good at hand." Socrates would be proud. Don't ask questions. People might voice opinions you deem wrong and not for the better good. Do you support totalitarian and fascist regimes? The answer to erroneous opinions is to voice your counter-opinion.
This is not my thread, btw.
Your comments on titration are apropos, though.

Edited by Rags847, 23 December 2007 - 02:08 AM.

[luv2increase]

I still don't see what is "absurd" about asking for people to recollect their experiences with nootropics.

Many people have taken a myriad of nootropics for long periods of time. Some people not so long but a long time ago. That would be a lot of wasted thinking and typing. We aren't here to do your dirty work for you, so to speak. Also, why do you want to use super high dosages? Some things you may not realize but have been mentioned numerous times on these forums. Everyone is different. Not everyone reacts the same to a certain substance OR a particular amount for that substance. You should start low and progress higher until you reach a point that the dosages is counter-productive. Once at that point, reduce to your optimal level. This is called titration. Doctors use this a lot with medications when finding the right dosage level.


You question of this thread would lead to a bunch of responses which don't have any relevancy to the better good at hand.

This anti-knowledge stance is "absurd". "Many people have taken a myriad of nootropics... [asking people to relate their experiences] would be a lot of wasted thinking and typing." We all shouldn't relate nootropic experiences with each other since "we aren't here to do [other's] dirty work for [them]." Yea, we are all an island and shouldn't communicate with each other. Then this website should be destroyed and dismantled.
The "question of this thread would lead to a bunch of responses which don't have any relevancy to the better good at hand." Socrates would be proud. Don't ask questions. People might voice opinions you deem wrong and not for the better good. Do you support totalitarian and fascist regimes? The answer to erroneous opinions is to voice your counter-opinion.
This is not my thread, btw.
Your comments on titration are apropos, though.

Did you read anything I said about titration? I've taken a lot of different nootropics at different times spanning over two and a half years now. Some nootropics I wouldn't have the slightest idea of the most I took of it both in one day and at one time. So instead on relying on my possibly false recollection about how much I've taken 'in the past' doesn't sound ideal. What does sound ideal is searching the forums or the internet to see what people have taken, and how much of what they took did it take to get good results.


Really, what is the point of asking someone what is the most they've taken. Is there really a point? If you think there is, your dumb.


It is more reasonable to ask what nootropic someone received good results from and how much they took of it. What you are asking is similar to wanting to know the LD50 of a substance. Why would you do that though when realistically you wouldn't be taking nearly that much.

I hope you can sorta think outside the box and get at where I'm coming from here.


This thread needs to be shut down.

[Rags847]

Did you read anything I said about titration? I've taken a lot of different nootropics at different times spanning over two and a half years now. Some nootropics I wouldn't have the slightest idea of the most I took of it both in one day and at one time. So instead on relying on my possibly false recollection about how much I've taken 'in the past' doesn't sound ideal. What does sound ideal is searching the forums or the internet to see what people have taken, and how much of what they took did it take to get good results.


Really, what is the point of asking someone what is the most they've taken. Is there really a point? If you think there is, your dumb.


It is more reasonable to ask what nootropic someone received good results from and how much they took of it. What you are asking is similar to wanting to know the LD50 of a substance. Why would you do that though when realistically you wouldn't be taking nearly that much.

I hope you can sorta think outside the box and get at where I'm coming from here.


This thread needs to be shut down.

I don't get where you are coming from.
Your comments about how dumb this thread is needs to be shutdown.
"Really, what is the point of asking someone what is the most they've taken. Is there really a point? If you think there is, your dumb."
Ha ha! Shhh... No one ask what is the most of a substance you have taken and got a good result from, be it Vit C, Fish Oil, or a Nootropic. It might disorient luv2increase's fragil mind and he will conceitedly go off on how dumb and absurd and confusing you are to him.

[Rags847]

And for the record, I am conservative about my personal use of substances.
My personal regime consists of only a select few, well-researched, and safe substances - all bought from companies who test and I trust.
Still think this a legitament thread and not "a waste of space", "absurd" or "dumb".

And, mp11, I think your 24g of Piracetam today was quite high. Piracetam is safe and non-toxic and not lethal and not addictive, but that is quite a stress on the liver and influx to the brain.
I feel a nootropic effect after taking 3 pills (2.4g) of quality Piracetam with 1 pill (250mg) of Citicoline on an empty stomach.

Edited by Rags847, 23 December 2007 - 03:12 AM.

[luv2increase]

Rags, do you not know what the question of the thread starter was? It appears not.

What's the largest amount of piracetam (or any other noot or supplement) you've taken at one time or in one day?

As you can see, he didn't ask what the highest amount you got good results on. Now here is what you write:

No one ask what is the most of a substance you have taken and got a good result from, be it Vit C, Fish Oil, or a Nootropic.

Where did you get that from. I can see that we aren't even on the same page because you mis-read the question from the get-go. Good observation. This now makes all my posts above directed to you almost irrelevant. No wonder why you didn't understand me. You didn't even understand the question!

Edited by luv2increase, 23 December 2007 - 03:16 AM.

[Rags847]

That is my point exactly, I did understand the question.
What's the largest amount of Piracetam or nootropic you have taken in one day?
The follow up question was implied: And so what was the result?
A good result, a neutral result, or a negative result?
I don't think you should read recklessness into mp11's question.
He wasn't asking how much coke have you done in a day and not died from.
Obviously, if you experiment with high doses of Piracetam, you are trying to see if you get an enhanced result or a diminshing returns result. You aren't advocating partying it up. I think mp11 is a sincere poster and not advocating recklessness.
Don't misread him, has been my point.
The thread is legit, whether it is titled "...and got a good result from" or not.

Edited by Rags847, 23 December 2007 - 03:25 AM.

[zoolander]

Piracetam is safe and non-toxic and not lethal and not addictive, but that is quite a stress on the liver and influx to the brain.

How does that work? In the first part of the sentence you say that piracetam is non-toxic, not lethal and not addictive but then in the second part of the sentence you comment about stress on the liver and brain?

A thread asking "What is the maximum amount you have ever taken....? sets up a dangerous situation where people are going to be pushing to the boundries. Someone comes in and says that they have taken 24g in one day so another member thinks "Well I've had good results from 6g perhaps I can quadruple the results with 24g"

The nootropics forum has it's fair share of illicit drug users looking for natural highs or substances to increase their roll as well as viral marketers who will lie through their teeth for a few extra dollars.

So in saying that I am closing this thread down because it is potentially dangerous. I will do the same if I spot other threads that may pan out to be dangerous should they continue.