why is there no mind uploading section?
eon fathom 07 Jan 2008
It's also a fairly well recognized method of easily making backups, upgrading intelligence, and generally ensuring immortality. Many people think it could happen before AGI, or even nanotech. Many AI researchers also assume that one of the first tasks for an AGI would be to upload humans, because of the many benefits.
Do others agree that there should be a separate section? Or should there be more discussion on uploading before creating it? (although there seems to be very little discussion on it now, though maybe a section would help?)
also, while I'm at it, be sure to check out http://en.wikipedia..../Mind_uploading if you don't know what I'm talking about.
caston 07 Jan 2008
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Spiral Architect 07 Jan 2008
A mind upload would have to simulate your mitochondria in order to have any chance of being you.
Why?
caston 07 Jan 2008
The patterns formed by mitchondria make the personality.
Edited by caston, 07 January 2008 - 02:25 PM.
Spiral Architect 07 Jan 2008
Because the Mitchondria is the engine of each and every cell. They produce the energy in your body. Women have babies so they can pass down their mitchondrial linage. Some men become gay so they can share their mitchondrial genes with other men.
The patterns formed by mitchondria make the personality.
Right ...
caston 07 Jan 2008
http://www.nick-lane.net/
Edited by caston, 07 January 2008 - 05:05 PM.
Spiral Architect 07 Jan 2008
caston 08 Jan 2008
eon fathom 10 Jan 2008
A mind upload would have to simulate your mitochondria in order to have any chance of being you.
I think a realistic upload, (which is, after all, what we want right?) would definitely have to take into account mitochondria, dna, etc. but could have simplified rules to not need to simulate a separate copy for each cell.
The point of this post however, is that there should probably be a separate section to discuss these things.
Reno 10 Jan 2008
Women have babies so they can pass down their mitchondrial linage. Some men become gay so they can share their mitchondrial genes with other men.
The patterns formed by mitchondria make the personality.
I don't think being gay is that simple. Every time people try and simply their world they get slapped in the face by complications.
Edited by bobscrachy, 10 January 2008 - 06:11 PM.
Richard Leis 10 Jan 2008
Lazarus Long 10 Jan 2008
I should add that my personal opinion is that there is nothing wrong with the subject remaining under BCI but I am willing to be persuaded and let's pursue that discussion under the appropriate thread that Richard began.
nanostuff 31 Jan 2008
People are a bit too uptight about the 'exactness' of the simulation. If you insist on absolute perfection, you might as well die now, it's never going to happen. What you may not be taking into account is that the biological system itself is far from perfect, the simulation doesn't have to replicate it's flaws... shouldn't replicate it's flaws. What is necessary is to obtain the structural data of the brain network (fairly easy), and synaptic potential between neurons (somewhat harder, very conceivable). The biological underlyings of what makes the neurons tick is completely irrelevant as long as they tick as they did.A mind upload would have to simulate your mitochondria in order to have any chance of being you.
I think a realistic upload, (which is, after all, what we want right?) would definitely have to take into account mitochondria, dna, etc. but could have simplified rules to not need to simulate a separate copy for each cell.
The point of this post however, is that there should probably be a separate section to discuss these things.
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basho 31 Jan 2008
Exactly. For example, no one these days argues that an aircraft isn't really flying just because it doesn't have blood flowing though veins to power wing muscles. Once we have true, substrate-independent intelligence, no one will argue that you are not really conscious because you are implemented on hardware running a higher-level model that reproduces the effects of a biological brain without modeling the entire biological substrate.People are a bit too uptight about the 'exactness' of the simulation.