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World Wide Web, the singularity?


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Posted 08 January 2008 - 08:29 PM


Definitions and development of Singularity and AI suffer from our common alienation and existentialism, the uncritical way we accept second-order cybernetic assumptions. The potential for us to become the "Advanced Intelligence" of a glogal benevolent "Singularity" of consciousness grows along with dangers of too much control.

Interview with Nicholas Carr, former executive editor of Harvard Business Review, http://www.wired.com...ine/16-01/st_qa

Computers are technologies of liberation, but they're also technologies of control. It's great that everyone is empowered to write blogs, upload videos to YouTube, and promote themselves on Facebook. But as systems become more centralized - as personal data becomes more exposed and data-mining software grows in sophistication - the interests of control will gain the upper hand. If you're looking to monitor and manipulate people, you couldn't design a better machine.

We're beginning to process information as if we're nodes; it's all about the speed of locating and reading data. We're transferring our intelligence into the machine, and the machine is transferring its way of thinking into us.

I am of the opinion we need to pursue a life sustaining and respecting consciousness "singularity" so that our consequential "advanced intelligence" can give us the best chance of resolving the Fermi paradox. This appears necessary if we are to survive the information explosion and our growing powers to apply them to create maximum sustainable options.

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Posted 09 January 2008 - 03:35 PM

I like Erich Fromm's description of the problem best. In his book The Revolution of Hope: Toward a Humanized Technology (1968) he says:

How did it happen? How did man, at the very height of his victory over nature, become the prisoner of his own creation and in serious danger of destroying himself?
In the search for scientific truth, man came across knowledge that he could use for the domination of nature. He had tre­mendous success. But in the one-sided emphasis on technique and material consumption, man lost touch with himself, with life. Having lost religious faith and the humanistic values bound up with it, he concentrated on technical and material values and lost the capacity for deep emotional experiences, for the joy and sadness that accompany them. The machine he built became so powerful that it developed its own program, which now determines man's own thinking.
At the moment, one of the gravest symptoms of our system is the fact that our economy rests upon arms production (plus maintenance of the whole defense establishment) and on the principle of maximal consumption. We have a well-func­tioning economic system under the condition that we are pro­ducing goods which threaten us with physical destruction, that we transform the individual into a total passive consumer and thus deaden him, and that we have created a bureaucracy which makes the individual feel impotent.
Are we confronted with a tragic, insolvable dilemma? Must we produce sick people in order to have a healthy economy, or can we use our material resources, our inventions, our com­puters to serve the ends of man? Must individuals be passive and dependent in order to have strong and well-functioning organizations?


In my opinion, in order to reverse this trend, computers will need to be programmed to support a communal way of life of sharing and giving as opposed to the greedy way of life of taking and getting, and to support "the emergence of new forms of psychospiritual orientation and devotion, which are equivalents of the religious systems of the past" as Erich Fromm recognized as a necessary part of any plan to humanize our technology before we're "transformed into a part of the total machine, well fed and entertained, yet passive, unalive, and with little feeling."

I am of the opinion we need to pursue a life sustaining and respecting consciousness "singularity" so that our consequential "advanced intelligence" can give us the best chance of resolving the Fermi paradox. This appears necessary if we are to survive the information explosion and our growing powers to apply them to create maximum sustainable options.

Couldn't agree more, but I'm for resolving the Fermi paradox in favor of God and the Bible as quickly as possible.

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Posted 09 January 2008 - 07:50 PM

In my opinion, in order to reverse this trend, computers will need to be programmed to support a communal way of life of sharing and giving as opposed to the greedy way of life of taking and getting, and to support "the emergence of new forms of psychospiritual orientation and devotion, which are equivalents of the religious systems of the past" as Erich Fromm recognized as a necessary part of any plan to humanize our technology before we're "transformed into a part of the total machine, well fed and entertained, yet passive, unalive, and with little feeling."

I suspect most likely dead would be the outcome too. I agree wholeheartedly.

I had a discussion with my mom on the phone the other day. We were wondering togethor at the corruption that one of my sisters has acquired. She is now so-called Christian, pro-war, pro-Bush and proclaiming to be pro-life. I don't know how you stand on abortion, eliah3, My own perspective is that the stresses and strains of our military actions that my sister supports has and is causing many abortions as well as deaths from young kids through adults on a massive scale. Not only do I find her "pro-life" stance to be basically an insane twisting of the terms, I also find that she is not a Christian,

In truth, there was only one Christian, and he died on the cross.

Friedrich Nietzsche, German philosopher (1844 - 1900) Perhaps it was Robert Anton Wilson who also expressed this idea.

So, if she is not a Christian then is it really a religion she is following? I do agree quite well with the quote you offered from Fromm. I do find that we need a valid and viable concept of religion. How do we tell the difference between a religion and what? I think maybe trying to congeal the concept of exactly what that thing is that proclaims itself and its policies in such an intellect numbed and violently dysfunctional manner, passing itself off as religion, is usefull.

The way I see it, people who believe more in mandating their particular cosmology than seeking to communicate and collaborate will claim anything but do "business as usual." It is basically adopting a basic principle of anarchy, power and circumstance over reason. In that regard, the measure of the worth of a religious perspective will be its focusing on the message rather than the messenger. I do believe there is a rational interpretation of the concept of God. I think it involves thinking of the self as the major constituent, not sacrificing one's own spirit for the sake of allegiance to any one elses at any other time or place, seeking to be Christ like though hopefully without the alarming of oligarchy to the extent of being murdered. Christ was not a murderer. If one finds only one interpretation of God that is supposedly Christian and only one book as the prime carrier of the communication of a past sage, one is catering to a miscommunication that justifies murdering. For example, this war against terrorism is not a war against terror but is actually promoting much terror which leads to more terrorism. It is a murdering and suicidal psychosis.

In an attempt to clarify, I have come to another term that I think is more valid than "religion" that is too often used as a justification for un-Christ like, un-Buddha like, anti-Lao Tzu, etc., basically anti-science and not finding integretable data handling of value. I don't think my sister is a member of a religion. I think she has been practically without her will, due to being trodden on with so much propaganda when her intellect was weak, been taken over by a coercion. Christianity in a large part appears to me to basically be a belief in anarchy and a joining into a powerful gang rather than any brotherly love, empathy, or respect for others. There is not only one way. There are as many ways as there are people, me thinks.

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#4 william7

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Posted 09 January 2008 - 10:12 PM

See my PM.




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