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Centrophenoxine: Could someone help me with this?


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Posted 12 January 2008 - 02:15 AM


My understanding is many nootropics working with the brain's cholinegeric system (e.g. hydregine, etc.) do so by inhibiting acetylcholinesterase. However, the article below indicates that centrophenoxine actually increases acetylcholinesterase, and article states that this is likely one of the mechanisms by which it produces its positive effects on cognition. Could someone here please help me to understand what is going on here? Thanks in advance.


http://www.ncbi.nlm....Pubmed_RVDocSum

Centrophenoxine activates acetylcholinesterase activity in hippocampus of aged rats.
Sharma D, Singh R.

Neurobiology Laboratory, School of Life Sciences, Jawaharlal Nehru University, New Delhi, India.

Age-related changes in the acetylcholinesterase activity were measured in the hippocampus, brain stem and cerebellum of rats (aged 4, 8, 16 and 24 months). The age-dependent decrease in the enzyme activity first appeared in the hippocampus; the brain stem was affected later while the cerebellum remained unaffected. Centrophenoxine, usually considered as an ageing reversal drug and also regarded as a neuroenergeticum in human therapy, increased the acetylcholinesterase activity in the hippocampus of aged rats, the activity was also elevated in the brain stem but no in the cerebellum. The acetylcholinesterase-stimulating influence of the drug is likely to be implicated in the pharmacological reversal of the age related decline of the cholinergic system. This effect of the drug may also mediate its effects on cognitive and neuronal synaptic functions.

PMID: 7558197 [PubMed - indexed for MEDLINE]



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Posted 13 January 2008 - 12:31 AM

40 views and not a single reply. A bunch of damn rubber-neckers - the whole lot of ya I say.

Below is another article which adds to my confusion. Surely some smart biology person must have some insight into this.

http://www.ncbi.nlm....Pubmed_RVDocSum

With respect to the enhancing effect of nootropics on learning and memory, the influence of some of these drugs on the high affinity choline uptake has been investigated. Meclofenoxate competes with choline uptake in vitro because of its similar side chain; other nootropics are without in vitro effects. A single dose of pramiracetam enhances the choline uptake in cortex and hippocampus. Application of meclofenoxate decreases the uptake of choline. Other nootropics lack acute effects. Possible increases of uptake after repeated dosage disappear within 24 h.


Edited by ludongbin, 13 January 2008 - 12:38 AM.


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#3 dopamine

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Posted 15 January 2008 - 02:04 AM

It could be anticholinergic effects from the DMAE competition with choline for cholingeric uptake to the brain. DMAE is generally regarded as useless as a "cognitive enhancer," but some notice mood improvements (probably due to the fact that many antidepressants are also anticholingerics). Also read this thread from M&M a couple of years back on the topic, especially shpongled's thoughtful reply.

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Posted 15 January 2008 - 06:06 AM

It could be anticholinergic effects from the DMAE competition with choline for cholingeric uptake to the brain. DMAE is generally regarded as useless as a "cognitive enhancer," but some notice mood improvements (probably due to the fact that many antidepressants are also anticholingerics). Also read this thread from M&M a couple of years back on the topic, especially shpongled's thoughtful reply.


Thanks for the M&M link, it is good to know that someone else was confused by this as well.

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#5 digfarenough

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Posted 10 May 2008 - 05:53 PM

My guess would be as follows. It is likely that with acetylcholine, like all neuromodulators, fluctuations in levels are important (certainly true for dopamine, too). When acetylcholine levels are high, in both cortex and in hippocampus it has been shown that strong synaptic potentiation is easier to induce at intrinsic synapses, but simultaneously ACh decreases synaptic efficacy at those synapses (messages sent over them are weakened or not passed, so memories are "written" strongly, but are less retrievable). When acetylcholine levels are low, potentiation is less inducible, but those intrinsic synapses become active (so memories can be retrieved over them, but not "written"). So you need to be able to alternate between low and high ACh levels as situations demand.

If acetylcholinesterase levels are too high, you get a bit toward the Alzheimer's-y end of the spectrum, so by lowering them memory improvments should be possible (up to a point). Likewise, if you have too much ACh all the time, you might be less able to retrieve older memories, so increasing ACh-esterase levels may improve your memory (up to a point). Granted, I haven't read the paper you mentioned, so could be way off!

This 1995 paper is old, but if you're interested in the effects of neuromodulators on the brain, it is a good summary: http://people.bu.edu...elmoBBR1995.pdf




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