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[bugmenot.com]

http://www.vitacost....Magnesium-Ultra

I bought this but I'm thinking it's something of a scam because most of the elemental Mg is coming from oxide from what I've read. Should i even bother using this or order something with exclusively more bioavailable forms?

[health_nutty]

http://www.vitacost....Magnesium-Ultra

I bought this but I'm thinking it's something of a scam because most of the elemental Mg is coming from oxide from what I've read. Should i even bother using this or order something with exclusively more bioavailable forms?

You are correct, get any form but oxide. Citrate, malate, and orotate are all good. The best form of course is to eat ton of leaf green veggies.

[ajnast4r]

albion glycinate

[david ellis]

http://www.vitacost....Magnesium-Ultra

I bought this but I'm thinking it's something of a scam because most of the elemental Mg is coming from oxide from what I've read. Should i even bother using this or order something with exclusively more bioavailable forms?

Banklauncher - I was going to say that only 1/4th of the magnesium compounds was oxide, the rest were readily usable sources of mangesium, and the deal was not too bad. But, something is suspicious to me. You add up the total of the ingredients and you get 1154 mg. I think 800 mg is about tops you can get into one "00" capsule. Does your capsule weigh 1154 mg plus? Is it a "huge" capsule or a "00" capsule? I think it is possible they have shorted you somewhere.

I don't know how NSI does it, but I have found big errors on their labels, so it is worth weighing the capsules. (p.s. Don't rely on their customer reviews. I have given bad customer reviews and they never get published).

[sdxl]

They do not list the elemental amounts of Mg of each Mg compound, but the total weight. MgO is about 60% Mg, so about 60% of the Mg in those capsules comes from MgO.

[balance]

Magnesium Aspartate.

[Dr. Ke]

From what I read after very brief research: an 00 can hold 800-1200mg depending on how dense the powder is. So i'm not really that concerned about that aspect, and unfortunately don't have a scale on hand to measure.

At any rate, from rough calculations I can absorb at most around 90mg from NSI Mag Ultra, so I picked up some aspartate and citrate and am using that now. It's better to have to take an extra cap or two than to waste time ingesting oxide.

note: this is the OP, original post was from a username-sharing service, and should probably be banned considering this site has quick/painless registration.

[pycnogenol]

I'm taking Source Naturals "Ultra-Mag" Tablets with B-6 (50 mg)

http://www.iherb.com...c...d=1415&at=0

(2 tablets = 400 mg) (as magnesium citrate, taurinate, glycinate and succinate)

Edited by pycnogenol, 21 February 2008 - 06:22 PM.

[stephen_b]

How about taking Mg ascorbate? You get a buffered vitamin C and magnesium too. Plus it's tasty in fruit juice.

Stephen

[tham]

Magnesium taurate.


http://www.ncbi.nlm....l=pubmed_docsum


Currently only two manufacturers make it as a standalone
supplement. Cardiovascular Research was probably the first
and is in capsules, but a little expensive. Priscilla Slagle
has long used it, Ronald Hoffman too. Elemental magnesium
is only about 9% though, similar to the aspartates.

http://www.thewayup....oducts/0186.cfm

http://www.drhoffman.com/page.cfm/519


Douglas Labs has it as tablets and just over half the cost.

http://organicpharma...ium.Taurate.400


VRP has it in their Opti-mag product.

http://vrp.com/Produ...spx?ProdID=1830


Magnesium orotate is another good choice.

http://www.betterlif...p?prod_id=25838


Twinlab claims their magnesium aspartate HCL outperforms
even the orotates :

http://www.betterlif...asp?prod_id=647


However, this weightlifter says it was their oxide form which
actually controlled his tics :

http://www.fitnessfo...ium_citrate.htm

Edited by tham, 25 February 2008 - 03:47 PM.

[nushu]

What about Epsom salt (Mg sulfate) baths?

[nameless]

I have a question regarding magnesium citrate. I usually take mag glycinate + a little orotate, but ran out, so just picked up citrate locally.

The citrate is Natural Calm, which is a powder you mix in hot water. Seems to dissolve fast, so maybe it's absorbed a little better than some pill formulations. At least that's what the manufacturer claims.

My question is: will citrate cause a greater absorption of lead, aluminum or iron? I thought I read somewhere that citrate could potentially cause that effect, but am not certain. Nor do I know what dosages would cause a problem. Perhaps the amount of citrate in a mag supplement is too small to cause any problems? Or best to take with something like magnesium malate, to chelate the metals?

[stephen_b]

My question is: will citrate cause a greater absorption of lead, aluminum or iron?

Looks like it does. Aluminum and lead absorption from dietary sources in women ingesting calcium citrate:

Animal models suggest that citrate-containing compounds augment absorption of aluminum from food and tap water, causing aluminum accumulation in bone and brain despite normal renal function. Citrate also enhances lead absorption in animals.

Stephen

[nameless]

My question is: will citrate cause a greater absorption of lead, aluminum or iron?

Looks like it does. Aluminum and lead absorption from dietary sources in women ingesting calcium citrate:

Animal models suggest that citrate-containing compounds augment absorption of aluminum from food and tap water, causing aluminum accumulation in bone and brain despite normal renal function. Citrate also enhances lead absorption in animals.

Stephen

Thanks for the info. Interesting... so basically mag citrate could potentially be dangerous.

I'm still confused a bit regarding what is the best form of magnesium to take, if a person wants to get to around 600mg or so daily.

Orotate is considered good, but it gets expensive because of low elemental mag.
Citrate is cheap, but if the above is true, it can lead to aluminum and lead problems.
Oxide stinks, little absorption.
Glycinate looks good, due to it being an albion chelate, but I read somewhere that it can eventually deplete taurine (no idea if this is true or not).

Someone in an old magnesium post here also mentioned: I'm not really fond of glycinate since glycine can actually stimulate NMDA activity, which is the opposite of one thing you/I am kind of are trying to do with magnesium (combat Ca+ / glutamate overactivity).

I'm not entirely sure what that means, so don't know if glycine is an issue or not.

Taurate might be a good one, although when I tried it, it didn't agree with me.
Malate? People with fibro appear to take it in large doses with good benefits. I believe there is an albion form too, although I can't find many companies that sell the mag malate albion version.

So.... not sure which is the best to take. Obviously, the first rule is to do no harm. Then, try to pick the chelated version that provides benefits from whatever they are chelating it with.

[health_nutty]

So.... not sure which is the best to take. Obviously, the first rule is to do no harm. Then, try to pick the chelated version that provides benefits from whatever they are chelating it with.

How about: lots of leafy greens?

[nameless]

So.... not sure which is the best to take. Obviously, the first rule is to do no harm. Then, try to pick the chelated version that provides benefits from whatever they are chelating it with.

How about: lots of leafy greens?

Yeah, I do eat a decent amount of greens. Well, baby spinach, at least.

But I'd still like to take a magnesium supplement, as a serving of spinach has around 15% of the RDA of mag. And I don't eat pounds of spinach daily. *thinks of popeye all of a sudden*

[niner]

What about Epsom salt (Mg sulfate) baths?

Not likely a useful source. Ions don't go through skin very well at all unless they are driven with an applied voltage. You might get a few micrograms that way, but I don't think you could get a half a gram.

[Wulfe]

Anyone with thoughts on AOR's Magnesium Taurate? Seem a bit pricey?

You can find it on AORs site here: Magnesium Taurate

Edited by Wulfe, 11 April 2008 - 06:51 PM.

[snake]

I like the AOR orotate mysel
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Edited by snake, 11 April 2008 - 08:01 PM.

[Ironman]

This is the cheapest and most effective mag supplement I've been able to find and make:

1. Get a 2 litre bottle of seltzer or club soda or sparkling water. No flavors or sugar sodas.
2. Buy a bottle of plain Phillips Milk of Magnesia (Magnesium hydroxide).
3. Add about 3 tablespoons slowly to the soda water. It will fizz like crazy. Cap and shake up the bottle.
4. Watch as the (cloudy bottle) magnesium hydroxide reacts with the dissolved CO2 over the next several minutes until clear.
5. Congrats. You now have manmade mineral water that contains 1200 mg of magnesium present as Magnesium Bicarbonate.
6. Have a tall glass twice a day for the first two days then just take a sip whenever you remember to after that. Your Magnesium balance is now back to normal.

I've have had several lady friends try this and the monthly bloating, water retention, cramps and PMS go away or are greatly diminished.

If you are on blood pressure meds, the diuretics will lower your Mg and K levels way down which makes those medicines less effective. Try this mineral water and add a little salt substitute to some fruit juice. I lowered a relative's BP by 15/5.

This will change the alkalinity of your urine and raise overall body pH for those of you following the acid/alkaline diet.