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#1 treonsverdery

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Posted 26 February 2008 - 03:41 AM


the drugs win the drug war
duckweed doubles every 30 hours engineer it to make THC



the patent 6815184 goes with how to genetically engineer duckweed; duckweed doubles mass every 30 hours thus if you have a few Ozs of duckwed engineered to produce THC that leaf quality duckweed will replenish fully thirty hours later; this same effect can be achieved with coca pathways as well as opiate pathways;
now people prefer bud to leaf, to make hashish simply use duckweed leaf, oil n alcohol together; any of hundreds of k grad students can do this plant engineering work; this might be particularly compelling to them if they have negative opinions of organized crime as this is an opportunity to reduce the revenue of organized crime around 2/3.

That patent can be used to create opiod peptide duckweed right now; I don't know if cannabinoid receptor active peptides are published; with peptides its muchly one codon gives an amino acid just create a list to sequence

I very much prefer the idea of engineering duckweed to make active THC; skip the heat


its like loaves n fishes at the fresh millenium, plus we get to nominate as Big J anyone that does the lab work

I've tried duckweed; duckweed is edible; tuned versions are also patented as a human food

my original idea was to genetically engineer longevity producing peptides with duckweed so that people could have an automatically replenishing source of longevity drugs n food absent regard to richness

Edited by treonsverdery, 26 February 2008 - 03:59 AM.


#2 resveratrol

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Posted 26 February 2008 - 11:08 PM

the drugs win the drug war
duckweed doubles every 30 hours engineer it to make THC



the patent 6815184 goes with how to genetically engineer duckweed; duckweed doubles mass every 30 hours thus if you have a few Ozs of duckwed engineered to produce THC that leaf quality duckweed will replenish fully thirty hours later; this same effect can be achieved with coca pathways as well as opiate pathways;
now people prefer bud to leaf, to make hashish simply use duckweed leaf, oil n alcohol together; any of hundreds of k grad students can do this plant engineering work; this might be particularly compelling to them if they have negative opinions of organized crime as this is an opportunity to reduce the revenue of organized crime around 2/3.

That patent can be used to create opiod peptide duckweed right now; I don't know if cannabinoid receptor active peptides are published; with peptides its muchly one codon gives an amino acid just create a list to sequence

I very much prefer the idea of engineering duckweed to make active THC; skip the heat


its like loaves n fishes at the fresh millenium, plus we get to nominate as Big J anyone that does the lab work

I've tried duckweed; duckweed is edible; tuned versions are also patented as a human food

my original idea was to genetically engineer longevity producing peptides with duckweed so that people could have an automatically replenishing source of longevity drugs n food absent regard to richness



Let me see if I understand what you're saying. There's a magical plant that magically doubles every 30 hours, and we should magically imbue it with magical peptides via the magic of genetic engineering to magically extend our lives and magically solve all the world's problems. Am I in the ballpark?

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Posted 27 February 2008 - 08:02 AM

Okay. Duckweed does grow freakishly fast, being an incredibly small aquatic plant. It also has great filtration properties if you looking to purify water through a biofilter. It could easily be used on a vessel in a space environment for meeting oxygen and water filtration needs.

BUT - infusing it genetically with THC? Who would develop such a monstrosity? WHY, MAN, WHY?

Edited by mitkat, 27 February 2008 - 08:03 AM.
And if it's me doing it in the botany lab, are you saying I become Jesus?


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Posted 27 February 2008 - 11:20 AM

Okay. Duckweed does grow freakishly fast, being an incredibly small aquatic plant. It also has great filtration properties if you looking to purify water through a biofilter. It could easily be used on a vessel in a space environment for meeting oxygen and water filtration needs.

BUT - infusing it genetically with THC? Who would develop such a monstrosity? WHY, MAN, WHY?


Duckweed is a weed and weed seems to have inspired treonsverdery's post on this topic.

But bacteria and yeast grow even more quickly than Duckweed and can be similarly engineered. Additionally, they can be grown indoors with far less energy use than C. sativa. This has many advantages if one worries about the DEA finding one's operation by helicopter or infrared heat sensor.

Why not engineer your organisms to produce supplements?

edited for gramer and speling

Edited by maxwatt, 27 February 2008 - 03:55 PM.


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Posted 27 February 2008 - 11:43 AM

BUT - infusing it genetically with THC? Who would develop such a monstrosity? WHY, MAN, WHY?

THC is bad for brains and obviously induces certain downwards vicious cycles?

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Posted 27 February 2008 - 11:45 AM

Why not engineer yor organisms to produce supplements?

Or your organs? We are inventing ourselves at imminst.... :)

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Posted 27 February 2008 - 12:09 PM

Why not engineer yor organisms to produce supplements?

Or your organs? We are inventing ourselves at imminst.... :)


so I can engineer my liver to produce milk thistle and my heart to produce CQ10. Not a bad idea. I'm sure that would save a few dollars. :)

Edited by mike250, 27 February 2008 - 12:10 PM.


#8 treonsverdery

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Posted 27 February 2008 - 09:32 PM

I thought about going with: yogurt makes drugs; reduces organized crime revenue two thirds

the difference is the form factor; people like vegetation
people cultivate plants; yogurt hobbyists are ummmmm rarer

I think the patent provides sufficient technological foundation; I've viewed the site of a company that has genetically engineered duckweed as its product; a person could simply tell that company to use their technology to make peptide drug producing duckweed now; you can order the creation of this organism online

Dr. Stomp (her actual name) of http://biolex.com/ says "Biolex is going to turn this small aquatic plant that is considered a weed into the premier protein production system of the 21st century,"

Edited by treonsverdery, 27 February 2008 - 09:57 PM.


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Posted 27 February 2008 - 10:32 PM

Why not engineer yor organisms to produce supplements?

Or your organs? We are inventing ourselves at imminst.... :)


so I can engineer my liver to produce milk thistle and my heart to produce CQ10. Not a bad idea. I'm sure that would save a few dollars. :)


Your heart cells are already producing CQ10.

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Posted 27 February 2008 - 10:39 PM

Okay. Duckweed does grow freakishly fast, being an incredibly small aquatic plant. It also has great filtration properties if you looking to purify water through a biofilter. It could easily be used on a vessel in a space environment for meeting oxygen and water filtration needs.

BUT - infusing it genetically with THC? Who would develop such a monstrosity? WHY, MAN, WHY?


Duckweed is a weed and weed seems to have inspired treonsverdery's post on this topic.

But bacteria and yeast grow even more quickly than Duckweed and can be similarly engineered. Additionally, they can be grown indoors with far less energy use than C. sativa. This has many advantages if one worries about the DEA finding one's operation by helicopter or infrared heat sensor.

Why not engineer your organisms to produce supplements?

edited for gramer and speling


How is THC in an of itself bad for your brain? I have never heard of this.

#11 Athanasios

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Posted 28 February 2008 - 12:17 AM

There is no war on drugs, just a war on personal freedoms. Keep that in mind.


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Posted 28 February 2008 - 05:57 AM

Well, I think this is a really cool idea. And you're right -- if it were done successfully, the drug war (and the large criminal syndicates) are over for good.

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Posted 28 February 2008 - 06:08 AM

Well it would be pretty cool if THC was in some innocent looking houseplant...no way for the fuzz to catch on unless they toke up with your ficus

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Posted 28 February 2008 - 12:25 PM

Well, I think this is a really cool idea. And you're right -- if it were done successfully, the drug war (and the large criminal syndicates) are over for good.


Ahem. It is possible to graft other plants onto a Cannabis rootstock, and it will produce smokable material. The only plant I know this has actually been done with is hops. There was a book available circa 1965 describing the technique in detail, but the technique is nothing beyond standard agricultural practice. Hops are closely related enough that this will work, which is one requirement. The hops plant looks nothing like marijuana; the illustrated plant was vigorous looking and over six feet tall, and as wide. I have no idea of the quality of the leaf; probably pretty weak by current standards. You might find more information in the Erowid vault.

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Posted 29 February 2008 - 08:02 AM

Ahem. It is possible to graft other plants onto a Cannabis rootstock, and it will produce smokable material.

I guess it would be legal, too? I don't believe there's a law against smoking hops.

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Posted 29 February 2008 - 08:27 AM

There is no war on drugs, just a war on personal freedoms. Keep that in mind.


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Amen brother. People are gonna get drugs regardless whether it's legal or illegal. Might as well legalize them, tax them, and then cut another tax or greatly reduce (gas tax anyone?) another in exchange.

And Gosh, even Ford proved back in the day that Hemp is incredibly useful for Biodiesel...I recall reading that it'd also be great to replace wood as well and that he even built a car completely out of Hemp. Perhaps other folks know a bit more about its capabilities than me.

Edited by dannov, 29 February 2008 - 08:28 AM.


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Posted 29 February 2008 - 10:54 AM

Why not engineer yor organisms to produce supplements?

Or your organs? We are inventing ourselves at imminst.... :p


so I can engineer my liver to produce milk thistle and my heart to produce CQ10. Not a bad idea. I'm sure that would save a few dollars. :)


Your heart cells are already producing CQ10.

That's what I was implying ;)

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Posted 01 March 2008 - 06:50 AM

Ahem. It is possible to graft other plants onto a Cannabis rootstock, and it will produce smokable material. The only plant I know this has actually been done with is hops. There was a book available circa 1965 describing the technique in detail, but the technique is nothing beyond standard agricultural practice. Hops are closely related enough that this will work, which is one requirement. The hops plant looks nothing like marijuana; the illustrated plant was vigorous looking and over six feet tall, and as wide. I have no idea of the quality of the leaf; probably pretty weak by current standards. You might find more information in the Erowid vault.



It is my understanding that even though hops can be grafted upon cannabis, they exchange no properties. A google search turns up little in proof of a grafted hops plant containing any thc.




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