Do you think there is nootropic that can be beneficial taken before going to bed? Only nootropics with long term effects? I'm thinking about taking Aniracetam in the evening since it make me feel sleepy but I'm not sure I will get any benefit from that. What's your experiences?
Nootropics before going to bed
#1
Posted 11 March 2008 - 12:38 AM
Do you think there is nootropic that can be beneficial taken before going to bed? Only nootropics with long term effects? I'm thinking about taking Aniracetam in the evening since it make me feel sleepy but I'm not sure I will get any benefit from that. What's your experiences?
#2
Posted 11 March 2008 - 03:45 AM
I would not recommend taking racetams before sleeping, as I find them slightly stimulating. However, if you search the boards, or google, some people enjoy the experience.
#3
Posted 11 March 2008 - 01:34 PM
#4
Posted 11 March 2008 - 04:53 PM
Which benefits you get from Bacopa? How long you have to take it to see any improvement?
I believe that Bacopa improved my concentration and energy levels. I took it for 3 weeks and began to see improvement. Unfortunately, I ran out after that time (since only 60 were in the bottle I bought, and I didn't start taking 2 a day until after a week or so), but I am going to buy more soon. I think most people see effects after a month or two. There's a great thread on Bacopa here on the forums.
Edited by AntonW, 11 March 2008 - 04:55 PM.
#5
Posted 12 March 2008 - 07:08 AM
#6
Posted 12 March 2008 - 04:49 PM
#7
Posted 12 March 2008 - 06:38 PM
The last two nights, I tried Aniracetam, 600 and 300 mg respectively. I had vivid dreams and woke up in the middle of the night. I plan taking bacopa, 500mg, for the next month and evaluate the results. I like to take theanine (about 600mg) before going to bed but my intestine disagree. It seems to worsen my IBS symptoms. It sad because it improve my quality of sleep a lot.
You need to be more consistent with what you take and when you take it. Taking anything stimulating before bed isn't a good idea either. Don't forget that what you do during the day can also affect your sleep, like diet and exercise. If you are going to invest money into drugs like this, you should also consider regularizing your sleep cycle, in case you haven't already.
Great diet + Exercise + Regular sleep schedule = Optimal Results from Nootropics
Optimizing results from nootropics = Money well spent
I am still of the opinion that a great diet, exercise, and regular sleep schedule will do more than any nootropic. If you are disciplined enough to address those three points, than you will have the luxury of the additional brain power and mental energy that nootropics can provide. Most people don't have the optimal diet, exercise routine, or sleep schedule. Most people don't need to spend extra money to take care of these things. Sure, some argue that eating well can be more expensive, but would you rather spend $60-100 a month a pills that can't get you as far as an extra $20-30 a week on food?
#8
Posted 12 March 2008 - 09:58 PM
#9
Posted 16 March 2008 - 02:06 AM
#10
Posted 16 March 2008 - 07:10 AM
Previous ImmInstThread on Supplements Before Bed
Just in case anyone was interested.
Umm, old thread, I missed it. Thanks for the reference.
#11
Posted 18 March 2008 - 06:38 PM
Supplement ~~ Lion's Mane (New Chapter's Mental Clarity) was a pretty interesting supplement that i had taken late at night, its reactions vary, but it did create a shortness of breath of sorts (exceeded the amount recommended), but upon waking up i felt my mind much more effective, sharp, and lucid. My actual "dream-waking" consciousness, consisted of incredibly vivid visual memory that isn't something i typically enjoy unless i'm modifying consciousness manually (meditation). I am not sure how correlated the lion's mane was to the actual experience, it did seem to its favor at the time, but it doesn't work so well unless i take it before sleep, consciousness becomes rather limited when taking it during waking consciousness. I'm not sure if it is more repair than it is to be taken regularly, it's responsible for increasing NGF. B Vitamins, are also said to increase lucid dreaming if taken alongside melatonin, but melatonin isn't something a young individual should be taking regularly unless to realign his sleeping habits to a more suitable over a certain amount of time. The last bit of information might not be essential, but to some may be.
Edited by mysticpsi, 18 March 2008 - 06:57 PM.
#12
Posted 20 March 2008 - 05:13 PM
Effects of aniracetam on impaired sleep patterns in stroke-prone spontaneously hypertensive rats.
Psychiatry & Clinical Neurosciences; Jun2000, Vol. 54 Issue 3, p314-316, 3p
The aim of the present study was to determine the pattern of sleep disturbances and the effects on sleep of aniracetam, a cognitive enhancer, in stroke-prone spontaneously hypertensive rats (SHRSP). Compared with normotensive control rats, SHRSP exhibited an impaired sleep pattern characterized by suppressed diurnal rapid eye movement (REM) sleep and excessive nocturnal non-REM sleep. At a dose of 30 mg/kg per day p.o., aniracetam increased REM sleep in the light period after administration for 5 consecutive days. Consequently, suppressed REM sleep in SHRSP was restored by repeated treatment with aniracetam. Aniracetam could be useful in improving REM sleep impairment associated with vascular dementia. [ABSTRACT FROM AUTHOR]
So, there might be a remote possibility that it may help improve the quality of sleep in healthy individuals...?
#13 Guest_Isochroma_*
Posted 06 July 2009 - 02:19 AM
I've had a month of superclear amazing dreams, but that was with three additional ingredients. Piracetam alone is the biggest of the dream-keys. It takes many ingredients to make a cake.
#14
Posted 26 July 2009 - 12:21 AM
Three teaspoons of piracetam spread thru the day, then a fourth right before bed.
I've had a month of superclear amazing dreams, but that was with three additional ingredients. Piracetam alone is the biggest of the dream-keys. It takes many ingredients to make a cake.
Hi Isochroma,
I've been taking Piracetam for 2 weeks, the first week I took 2X800mg every day, the effect was amazing, the second week I added to 3X800mg, some times 4X800mg or 5X800mg, effect is far less than the first week. The second week, I took 800mg right before going to bed, I got more dreaming, but far from vivid or lucid, I woke up every 3 hours, I was not feeling refreshed every morning. From the day before yesterday I added 1.5mg melatonin before bed as well, slept much better, I could be in asleep for 5 hours now, more dreaming, but still far from vivid and lucid. What's wrong here? If you don't mind, could you tell me what you three additional ingredients are?
By the way, I'm still waiting for my choline bitartrate, but I eat about 5 eggs a day.
Thanks in advance.
#15 Guest_Isochroma_*
Posted 26 July 2009 - 12:34 AM
Only after 6-8 months could I say that even during the most sleepiness-prone times of day was I not sleepy anymore. The process of rebuilding the brain takes at least a few months (from years of natural decay).
The reason why you notice the effects 'declining' is that you are already becoming used to your new state. The effects aren't going away - they're becoming permanent, thus not noticed. Totally the opposite from say, a stimulant, where the crash is noticeable and the next dose brings one 'back up'.
For me there was also a slump of apparent effect after a week of dosing from the start. But I didn't lose faith and continued the high doses! By the end of that month the more powerful long-term effects had totally taken over. I slept better and woke up clearer every day. I wouldn't notice so much if I missed a dose. If you can imagine the effect as a sine wave over time due to periodic dosing, the troughs (low areas) gradually moved higher until finally I didn't even notice them anymore unless I skipped many many doses.
Now I'm so healed that there is no noticeable effect because the effect has restructured my brain and thus doesn't leave quickly. Thus it is impossible to notice any difference because the dosing frequency is many times higher than the brain-destructuring frequency. I skipped for one month and it took two weeks to return to my former self [about 4-5 months ago]. Thus I always stay saturated now, even at night.
A year later, the investment has paid off bigtime! Now I'm never tired, and I almost always go to bed at insane hours (like dawn is starting hours). It is worth making this investment. I am much more alive in the ways that truly matter now than last year. Being conscious and truly awake all the time is amazing, and for only $2 per day [costs soon to be reduced with bulkier bulk ordering].
Eggs and choline are good, but not necessary. I had brief mild headaches when I started, so I ate a few dozen eggs yolks over a month. The headache went away less than an hour after eating first batch of yolks raw, but it never returned, even after I quit the eggs due to their usual gas-producing effect.
Thus I conclude that when piracetam is first started, it causes lots of new receptor growth and thus a need for more choline, which sometimes causes a mild headache. However, after this initial phase the choline can be reduced or eliminated. Even without extra choline the initial growth phase would just take longer and end eventually anyway, though of course it is desireable to end it quickly if headaches are present.
As for the secret ingredients, the dreams were an unanticipated side-effect of adding a tiny dose of DXM to prevent some of the bad effects of cannabis before bed. This post microDose DXM & Cannabis details the first experiment. The next post details how I discovered the dreaming side-effect.
The real key is the small dose of DXM before bed. Piracetam made my dreaming better but what brought the hyperreality was the DXM.
My explanation is that when taken before bed, the small DXM dose has its nice effects (bouncy, relaxed, etc.) when combined with cannabis. However, dreaming happens much later - near morning. The piracetam is excreted slower during sleep, so it is still effective even then. Piracetam enhances dream recall especially and contributes to high-quality sleep in various ways. However, by the early morning dreaming-hours, DXM's NMDA activity has mostly withdrawn leaving a flood of PCP1 receptor activity. This provides a slight psychosis which is too small to be observed but exerts a strong effect during dreaming. Its effect is to saturize, plasticize and lucidize the dreaming phase.
Taking the 'normal' trip-level DXM dose causes such upheaval and damage that it actually impairs dreaming, and can do so for years after a large-dose trip - as I can attest to. However, the microdose is opposite in this respect and in other ways too - it provides increased intelligence, energy metabolism, verbality, and sharpness the next day when combined with piracetam.
The entire case is one of complex and highly leveraged synergism which acts consistently and with little or no tolerance to create a unique evening and dreaming environment.
It's been incredibly fun and I'm still having amazing dreams even last nite. The floating feeling while watching anime before bed decreased to about half of what it was after a month, but everything is levelled off and no further decrease of effect has been noted thus far.
PS. Do not mix even a microdose of DXM with aniracetam or anything that hypersensitizes NMDA receptors anytime in the next 48 hours. The day after a microdose of DXM, NMDA and possibly PCP1 receptors will be taking a bit more endogeneous stimulation due to upregulation of production/release. That isn't a problem itself but if NMDA receptors are made even more sensitive by certain nootropics (piracetam does NOT effect them in this case), then certain dysphoric sensations will be noted. Like dizziness, strangeness of moving objects, a hint of strange thinking, etc. It's not toxic but the effect is unpleasant.
Otherwise microdose DXM <=30mg per day does not interfere with anything else and is not even noticeable by itself [without the cannabis as main-agent].
Of course, the DXM must be free of crap [ASA, acetaminophen, anti-histamines {NO CORICIDEN}] and taken 45 minutes before the cannabis to allow for absorption.
Edited by Isochroma, 26 July 2009 - 01:17 AM.
#16
Posted 01 August 2009 - 02:21 AM
How are you doing this week. I'm doing very well. This is the third week since I started taking the Piracetam. It seems that I've recovered from the tiredness and sleepiness from the second week. I received my powder from Smart Powder. It seems that this powder is more effective than the tablet I was using. From this Thusday, I increased my dose to 5g/day, I took 1g every night before going to bed, I got good quality sleep. Last nigh I increased to 2g before bed which seems to be too much and made me unable to fall asleep. I might need to decrease the dose tonight before going to bed. I'm taking 7g/day now. The effect of the Piracetam on you really encourages me, following you, I might gradually add my dose to around 15g/day as well. Thanks again for you help.
By the way, your "Isochroma.com" is no longer working, it always reports "exceed bandwidth". Hopefully you will fix it soon as I can't wait to read those encouraging stories about people using Piracetam.
#17 Guest_Isochroma_*
Posted 01 August 2009 - 02:52 AM
Piracetam! ~ it does a brain good ~
A compilation of some amazing experiences with piracetam, from various boards and sites all over the net. Emphasis on combinations with MDMA, psychedelics, cannabis. All quotes linked to their sources.
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cougar: I'm glad to see you're doing better! My own experience was brief mild headaches for a few days, then they went away. Most people do very well on Piracetam, and over time it gets better & better.
I've been using this nice molecule for a year and a month. Even since last month my ability to stay clear and awake during the day has increased (no more dropoffs into tiredness if I'm late or miss a dose - which doesn't happen anymore either
Plus even last night I survived the most amazing dream yet, better than I can remember from even years ago. It was crazy, it was colourful and there was true sound! When I say real sound, I mean not thoughts I hear from others in the dream, but actual audio sound.
Edited by Isochroma, 01 August 2009 - 03:45 AM.
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Posted 30 August 2009 - 03:06 AM
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