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[gashinshotan]

I mean pills... the ones that don't use FDA testing but still produce significant results in fat-loss at the risk of serious cardiovascular effects in vulnerable people? I recently bought some ephedrine from CVS and an ephedra extract product (ephedra gutted of its ephedrine) packed with other herbs such as bitter orange (synephrine source), white willow bark (aspirin), green tea, theobromine, phenylethyl hcl, loads of caffeine, and chromium picolinate, after I was fooled into thinking contained ephedrine. Most of the new non-ephedra pills use similar ingredients, especially synephrine, and most have been proven to be weaker than pre-ban ephedra supplements though some do produce major fat-loss results. Has anyone here had success with these non-ephedrine products?

[Shepard]

Success in what area? There are certainly many that are going to match the EC stack from an anorectic perspective, not many from a long-term dieting perspective.

[gashinshotan]

Success in what area? There are certainly many that are going to match the EC stack from an anorectic perspective, not many from a long-term dieting perspective.

Well the main criticism of the non-ephedrine stuff is that it's not as effective at weight loss and fat loss as ephedra though the anorectic effect is still the main reason why these pills work. By success I mean significant weight loss - have they worked at all for you?

[Shepard]

Well the main criticism of the non-ephedrine stuff is that it's not as effective at weight loss and fat loss as ephedra though the anorectic effect is still the main reason why these pills work. By success I mean significant weight loss - have they worked at all for you?

A large part of the short-term benefits are certainly anorectic in nature. Ephedrine is pretty cool from a long-term perspective in that it even when those effects wear off, it's one of the few that is actually still useful by keeping thyroid elevated, inducing insulin resistance in skeletal muscle, and just general beta-agonism. There was also a hint at it becoming more effective with prolonged use.

In my experience, some of the new series of epinephrine mimetic and phenylethylamine-containing supplements are quite good for short-term anorectic and energy expenditure, but are just too brutal to use for any real length of time. So, no, I'm not aware of any non-ephedrine diet drug that I'd put in the same category.