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Danish researchers say: Vitamins 'may shorten your life'


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#1 quarter

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Posted 16 April 2008 - 12:00 PM


Didn't see this anywhere else so thought I'd post it up: BBC article: Vitamins 'may shorten your life'

Also, (i'm not sure how well, if at all, the BBC iPlayer works outside of the uk) but if you go to this website: http://www.bbc.co.uk...s/morning.shtml and click on Wednesday's program the first hour discusses this research, for the first 30 minutes the discussion mainly involves the author or the research, and Patrick Holford who authors a number of books on nutrition and supplements. Its targeted at the general public though so don't expect anything too in depth.

Edited by quarter, 16 April 2008 - 12:18 PM.


#2 balance

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Posted 16 April 2008 - 03:38 PM

Here's a good answer:

http://www.nutraingr...cause-mortality

"Dr. Bjelakovic was contacted by NutraIngredients.com and asked to comment on the exclusion of the 405 death-free trials, and to contextualise why most of the trials included in the meta-analysis tested for secondary prevention, looking at how a nutrient works in diseased populations, instead of primary prevention studies in healthy populations. No response was received by NutraIngredients.com in time for publication.

Stinging criticism

The dietary supplements industry has responded strongly to the review, with the Council for Responsible Nutrition (CRN), an industry association, releasing a statement that read: "Although [the authors] have updated their meta-analysis, by handpicking additional studies and correcting a litany of minor mistakes made in previous versions, it is for all intents and purposes not a new study, nor is it truly new information.

"In fact, it appears to be a systematic attempt by the authors to publish work that supports their own pre-determined conclusions about antioxidants and the way they should be regulated."

John Hathcock, Ph.D., senior vice president, scientific and international affairs, CRN, was quick to draw attention to the exclusion criteria employed by the researchers.

"With nearly 750 studies to choose from, it's interesting that they chose to include only 67 studies - less than nine percent of the total clinical trials on antioxidants that are available," said Dr. Hancock. "Moreover, the possible 750 clinical trials do not even account for other sources of evidence, such as observational studies, which were not considered by the authors at all. It is their exclusions, not the inclusions, where the fault lies."

"The conclusions one can reach from this meta-analysis are very limited."

When the meta-analysis was published initially in JAMA, Meir Stampfer, a professor of nutrition and epidemiology at the Harvard School of Public Health who was not connected to the meta-analysis, told the Associated Press that the studies reviewed were too different to be able to pool them together.

"This study does not advance our understanding, and could easily lead to misinterpretation of the data," Stampfer told the AP.

Similar comments were forthcoming from the UK natural health industry association, the Health Food Manufacturers' Association (HFMA). A spokesperson stated that the review was "systematically flawed."

"The analysis focused on one broad category of study, then evaluated just 67 of the 748 studies that could be included in the review. Therefore, the paper's conclusions are drawn on less than nine per cent of available evidence. In no way can this review be considered comprehensive," said the spokesperson.

"Antioxidant supplements cannot be expected to undo a lifetime of unhealthy living, but combined with good lifestyle choices, can play an important role in promoting overall health and wellbeing."

Pointing out the practicalities

Andrew Shoa, Ph.D., CRN's vice president, scientific and regulatory affairs said: "It really comes down to whether or not this meta-analysis should mean anything to consumers or scientists. And from a practical standpoint, it doesn't mean much.

"We maintain that healthy consumers who are using antioxidant supplements in the manner that they were meant to be used-as complements to, not in place of-other healthy lifestyle habits, can continue to feel confident in the benefits these supplements provide.

"For those consumers who are seriously ill with cancer, heart disease, etc., they should talk with their doctor about everything they put into their bodies."

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#3 Matt

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Posted 16 April 2008 - 04:13 PM

meta-analysis studies are usually always the kind to shoot down claims by previous individual large scale studies that certain supplements helps. Good diet + Supplements probably would not result in higher mortality.

#4 krillin

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Posted 16 April 2008 - 09:55 PM

I don't get nutritional scientists. In the real sciences, discredited ideas get thrown out rather quickly. But these guys are still fixated on vitamin A, beta carotene, and alpha tocopherol ages after we learned that mixed carotenoids and mixed tocopherols are ideal.

The grant officer who funded the fools below should be shot. An alpha tocopherol AND beta carotene study on people who are really sick in this day and age... It only makes sense if you think it's best to kick 'em while they're down.

Int J Cancer. 2008 Apr 1;122(7):1679-83.
Interaction between antioxidant vitamin supplementation and cigarette smoking during radiation therapy in relation to long-term effects on recurrence and mortality: a randomized trial among head and neck cancer patients.
Meyer F, Bairati I, Fortin A, Gélinas M, Nabid A, Brochet F, Têtu B.
Laval University Cancer Research Center, Quebec City, QC, Canada. francois.meyer@chuq.qc.ca

There has been concern that the efficacy of radiation therapy may be reduced when patients smoke or take antioxidant vitamins during treatment. Cancer prevention trials with beta carotene supplements documented adverse effects only among smokers. We conducted a randomized trial with alpha tocopherol (400 IU/day) and beta carotene (30 mg/day) supplements among 540 head and neck cancer (HNC) patients treated by radiation therapy. We examined whether smoking during radiation therapy modified the effects of the supplementation on HNC recurrence and on mortality. During the follow-up, 119 patients had a HNC recurrence and 179 died. Cox models were used to test the interaction between smoking and supplementation and to estimate the hazard ratios (HR) for HNC recurrence and death associated with the supplementation. Cigarette smoking either before or after radiation therapy did not modify the effects of the supplementation. In contrast, the interactions between supplementation and cigarette smoking during radiation therapy were statistically significant for HNC recurrence (p = 0.03), all-cause mortality (p = 0.02) and mortality from the initial HNC (p = 0.04). Among cigarette smokers, the HR were 2.41 (95% CI: 1.25-4.64) for recurrence, 2.26 (95% CI: 1.29-3.97) for all-cause mortality and 3.38 (95% CI: 1.11-10.34) for HNC mortality. All corresponding HR among nonsmokers were close to 1. These results could best be explained by the hypothesis that the combined exposures reduced the efficacy of radiation therapy. Particular attention should be devoted to prevent patients from both smoking and taking antioxidant supplements during radiation therapy. © 2007 Wiley-Liss, Inc.

PMID: 18059031

Edit: Here is the coolest abstract I've ever read.

JAMA. 2007 Dec 5;298(21):2517-26.
Persistence of contradicted claims in the literature.
Tatsioni A, Bonitsis NG, Ioannidis JP.
Department of Hygiene and Epidemiology, University of Ioannina School of Medicine, Ioannina, Greece.

CONTEXT: Some research findings based on observational epidemiology are contradicted by randomized trials, but may nevertheless still be supported in some scientific circles. OBJECTIVES: To evaluate the change over time in the content of citations for 2 highly cited epidemiological studies that proposed major cardiovascular benefits associated with vitamin E in 1993; and to understand how these benefits continued being defended in the literature, despite strong contradicting evidence from large randomized clinical trials (RCTs). To examine the generalizability of these findings, we also examined the extent of persistence of supporting citations for the highly cited and contradicted protective effects of beta-carotene on cancer and of estrogen on Alzheimer disease. DATA SOURCES: For vitamin E, we sampled articles published in 1997, 2001, and 2005 (before, early, and late after publication of refuting evidence) that referenced the highly cited epidemiological studies and separately sampled articles published in 2005 and referencing the major contradicting RCT (HOPE trial). We also sampled articles published in 2006 that referenced highly cited articles proposing benefits associated with beta-carotene for cancer (published in 1981 and contradicted long ago by RCTs in 1994-1996) and estrogen for Alzheimer disease (published in 1996 and contradicted recently by RCTs in 2004). DATA EXTRACTION: The stance of the citing articles was rated as favorable, equivocal, and unfavorable to the intervention. We also recorded the range of counterarguments raised to defend effectiveness against contradicting evidence. RESULTS: For the 2 vitamin E epidemiological studies, even in 2005, 50% of citing articles remained favorable. A favorable stance was independently less likely in more recent articles, specifically in articles that also cited the HOPE trial (odds ratio for 2001, 0.05 [95% confidence interval, 0.01-0.19; P < .001] and the odds ratio for 2005, 0.06 [95% confidence interval, 0.02-0.24; P < .001], as compared with 1997), and in general/internal medicine vs specialty journals. Among articles citing the HOPE trial in 2005, 41.4% were unfavorable. In 2006, 62.5% of articles referencing the highly cited article that had proposed beta-carotene and 61.7% of those referencing the highly cited article on estrogen effectiveness were still favorable; 100% and 96%, respectively, of the citations appeared in specialty journals; and citations were significantly less favorable (P = .001 and P = .009, respectively) when the major contradicting trials were also mentioned. Counterarguments defending vitamin E or estrogen included diverse selection and information biases and genuine differences across studies in participants, interventions, cointerventions, and outcomes. Favorable citations to beta-carotene, long after evidence contradicted its effectiveness, did not consider the contradicting evidence. CONCLUSION: Claims from highly cited observational studies persist and continue to be supported in the medical literature despite strong contradictory evidence from randomized trials.

PMID: 18056905

Edited by krillin, 16 April 2008 - 09:59 PM.


#5 abelard lindsay

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Posted 17 April 2008 - 06:46 AM

This slapped together study was one of the lead stories on the BBC yesterday. Amazing that they would give so much coverage to it with all the other things going on lately. There were a lot of derogatory blanket statements thrown in about the vitamin industry in general during the news story.

#6 maxwatt

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Posted 17 April 2008 - 11:58 AM

This slapped together study was one of the lead stories on the BBC yesterday. Amazing that they would give so much coverage to it with all the other things going on lately. There were a lot of derogatory blanket statements thrown in about the vitamin industry in general during the news story.


People who do not take supplements, who won't even consider taking them, need to justify their position and go to great lengths to do so. Of course they may say that people who do take supplements are the same way.

There is much less emotional baggage invested in animals, on the other hand. The USDA recommendation for animal diet are chock full of added vitamins, minerals and supplements; not always the ones we would expect or recommend, but the diet is intended to promote rapid growth rather than longevity.

Diets of zoo animals are more in line with longevity, or at least good health for a long period of time, than with growth. Large primate requirements are essentially the same as for humans. You should see the ingredients in Zupreem Primate Feed:

Ground corn, Soybean meal, Cracked wheat, Sucrose,Wheat
germ meal, Animal fat (preserved with BHA, propyl gallate and
citric acid), Dried whole egg, Dicalcium phosphate, Calcium
carbonate, Iodized salt,Vegetable oil, Choline chloride, Stabilized
ascorbic acid (source of Vitamin C), Ethoxyquin (a preservative),
Ferrous sulfate, Zinc oxide, Copper chloride, Manganous oxide,
Cobalt carbonate, Calcium iodate, Sodium selenite,Vitamin A
supplement,Vitamin D3 supplement,Vitamin E supplement,
Thiamine (Vitamin B1), Niacin, Calcium pantothenate, Pyridoxine
hydrochloride (Vitamin B6), Riboflavin (Vitamin B2), Folic acid,
Biotin,Vitamin B12 supplement.


Not ideal by a long shot, but note the inclusion of supplements that are "controversial" in the popular press put-downs of vitamin supplements.

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Posted 18 April 2008 - 07:29 AM

Has anybody here access to this study ? Rewiewing the study and see how the approach was, will tell us more then 1 BBC article.
I do not believe that the scientists at Copenhagen University are incompetent, maybe the study itself will explain more.

I couldn't find the names of the people that conducted the meta-analysis.

#8 krillin

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Posted 18 April 2008 - 10:56 PM

Has anybody here access to this study ? Rewiewing the study and see how the approach was, will tell us more then 1 BBC article.
I do not believe that the scientists at Copenhagen University are incompetent, maybe the study itself will explain more.

I couldn't find the names of the people that conducted the meta-analysis.

Why bother? The conclusions were that vitamin A, beta carotene, and alpha tocopherol as isolated supplements are bad for you. We've known that for years.

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Posted 19 April 2008 - 02:59 AM

Has anybody here access to this study ? Rewiewing the study and see how the approach was, will tell us more then 1 BBC article.
I do not believe that the scientists at Copenhagen University are incompetent, maybe the study itself will explain more.

I couldn't find the names of the people that conducted the meta-analysis.



Antioxidant supplements for prevention of mortality in healthy participants and patients with various diseases
(Review)
Bjelakovic G, Nikolova D, Gluud LL, Simonetti RG, Gluud C

http://www3.intersci....3/CD007176.pdf

Most of it is just citing of references. It is interesting to see their criteria for selection though.




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