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What is your preferred body to achieve immortality?


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Poll: What is your preferred body to achieve immortality? (180 member(s) have cast votes)

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  1. Mortal: I don't want to change anything in my body. I want nature to take its course. (7 votes [3.89%])

    Percentage of vote: 3.89%

  2. Methuselah: You keep your original biological body, but thanks to SENS (or something similar) it will never age. However, you are limited by the human condition and are still exposed to other diseases and elements. (15 votes [8.33%])

    Percentage of vote: 8.33%

  3. Gattaca: Like before, but this time you have the option to genetically modify your body to become immune to all sicknesses, and to become stronger, faster, smarter and so forth. (Note: no chips or artificial parts are added to this body) (47 votes [26.11%])

    Percentage of vote: 26.11%

  4. Cyborg: Like before, but parts of your body are also replaced with artificial components (except your brain) so as to make you even more stronger. You also have the option to augment (add chips) to your brain so as to have a higher intelligence and to have a direct connection with the future internet or metaverse. (36 votes [20.00%])

    Percentage of vote: 20.00%

  5. Full Prosthetics: Your brain and spinal column is removed from your old body and placed in a full prosthetic one. This body makes you resistant to radiation and you have the option to modify it so you no longer need to breath or sleep or eat or have sex, and so forth. Like before, you also have the option to alter to your brain (add chips to it, etc). This is also the Ghost in the Shell scenario. (23 votes [12.78%])

    Percentage of vote: 12.78%

  6. Eternal Mind: You upload your mind onto the internet (or something similar). This way you can download yourself into any prosthetic body (or bodies) and you can be anywhere in the world. This gives you complete invulnerability because your mind exists in cyberspace and not in a body. However, there is the philosophical problem of whether this really is your mind or just a copy of it. (52 votes [28.89%])

    Percentage of vote: 28.89%

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#121 Philosophicus

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Posted 11 October 2010 - 01:02 AM

I chose eternal mind but only after we understand the nature of consciousness enough prove that I would still be me


It can never be proven. That's the problem. Its not a limit of technology or knowledge its a limit of reality. There is no way to prove that you will maintain continuity of existence when transfered to a machine. It will be risky as hell no matter how advanced we are and no matter how many people do it "successfully" before you. This has been addressed by several modern philosophers.


If we study the brain enough, we may be able to figure out why it is conscious.

Please, somebody whose into the "eternal mind" answer these questions for me:

Once a copy of your mind is successfully made on a computer what happens to your conciousness? Do you instantly become a dual conciousness? Say an electronic copy is made on a server in India and your biological body is here in the US. Do you all of a sudden perk up and perceive yourself in two places? If so why would that happen?

And then what would happen when your body is killed? Would you just magically transfer to this other mind? And if you claim your mind would be transfered (and biological body killed) while the copy is simultaneously created, this is really just the same situation happening in rapid succession so the answer should be the same.

And finally, since we're using the argument that the mind must not be necessary for conciousness since it's continually changing, what about the "Software" so to speak: the neural network. Its continually changing as well. With every new experience, every second of every day you are a different person. So if change disqualifies the physical body as a necessary component of conciousness then wouldn't it also disqualify the neural network? Could you even keep multiple copies of a mind on seperate servers? Because their varying experiences from being in different places would change their neural networks and make them different conciousnesses the instant after they were created.


No offense (seriously) but the idea that multiple copies of a mind are one and the same person seems a little like people who believe if they were to birth a clone of themselves it would be a weird, evil, mentally connected little child. Or those people who believe twins somehow have a mystical tie. A copy is not you. But I would love for someone to convince me that it is. Because that would be really comforting actually.


You seem to think that consciousness is fundamentally unique to an individual and consistant over time (a bit like a soul). Those of us who favor the 'eternal mind' scenario think that there is no difference between 'my consciousness' and 'your consciousness' except for the things we are conscious of. I'm me because I'm a concious being who has my memories, knowledge, and personality. Therefore, another mind with these properties would still be me. If there were two of them at the same time, they'd diverge into seperate people as soon as they started having separate experiances. There are no dual-consciousnesses or psychic powers involved. Just two people with a lot of shared memories who have equal claim to calling themselves 'Cyborgdreamer'.



Here is a thought exercise for you? (if you are interested)

How would you classify the entities, of which one is clone of the other, but the clone has started a new life with some minor differences. However they are still sharing
many new experiences say through some wireless link . Are they two different people or a merged person? I would say multiple bodied personality. Kinda like an avatar from Indian mythology.

#122 cyborgdreamer

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Posted 12 October 2010 - 07:58 PM

Here is a thought exercise for you? (if you are interested)

How would you classify the entities, of which one is clone of the other, but the clone has started a new life with some minor differences. However they are still sharing
many new experiences say through some wireless link . Are they two different people or a merged person? I would say multiple bodied personality. Kinda like an avatar from Indian mythology.


I'd say it depends on how connected their brains are. If the clones were as deeply interconnected as the two hemispheres of the brain, they'd be the same person. If it was more like the information conveyed by two people talking, than they'd just be twins with a very efficient communication system.

#123 ChromodynamicGirl

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Posted 13 October 2010 - 09:51 AM

My ideal body is to have virtually ally the soft bits replaced with Buckeyballs and iridium, etc. :)

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#124 TelepathicMerg

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Posted 16 December 2010 - 03:55 PM

Cyborg. The next two could definitely be (likely are) but a copy of self.

#125 Herckuleon

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Posted 03 January 2011 - 11:18 PM

I chose Gattaca because the idea of no disease intrigues me greatly as opposed to having external and internal machinery which to me is more likely to fail (no offense to those who picked cyborg)

#126 Nimbus

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Posted 14 January 2011 - 01:22 AM

Prosthetics for maximum autonomy: I get in that brain case and get as far away from this planet as possible. And come back when the dust settles down here, post singularity or whatever other crises, to get myself back into human form or some other fun stuff (e.g. human brain in cheetah body, etc). Exploring the solar system in a personal spaceship ought to be occupying enough.

Surviving the transition to post singularity, if there is one, is probably the single most critical thing.

Edited by Nimbus, 14 January 2011 - 01:23 AM.


#127 AlakaBEWM

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Posted 15 January 2011 - 12:06 AM

Regular body with super-regen powers. Like Wolverine or Deadpool

#128 castrensis

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Posted 02 July 2012 - 06:23 AM

Full prosthetics, without a doubt. I have a hard time imagining myself without some original parts to carry on the continuity of existence. Drop my CNS into a perfect body with fully replaceable parts & I would be a happy man.

#129 Alizee

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Posted 18 October 2012 - 10:28 AM

eternal mind.

I would like to be able to get out of a cyborg when the body gets "rusty", or just be in virtual reality. I want to be fully immune.

#130 YOLF

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Posted 04 April 2013 - 04:57 AM

I chose the Methuselah option. At the time being anyway, I quite like having my youthful yet very "human" body for aesthetic purposes more than anything else. The eternal mind, housed on the internet or something like it, would probably be a second choice.



But as "Eternal Mind" you could have all the aesthetics you want to. You could download yourself into any body, or just create a body with whatever forms you want to. What's the problem people have with the "eternal mind" option. With eternal mind you get all the benefits of the former options plus the fact that you're virtually truly immortal.



Old post I know, but I like my original meat bag. I could see myself uploading a copy to whatever medium exists, but I'm not giving up the original. I'd definitely like to have a personal "me" AI though. That sounds pretty cool. I could then synch with it regularly and learn new things constantly, give myself assignments and be able to accomplish all of the things that I'd like to but never had the time for. So eternal mind is fine, but it's only good as a compliment to our ongoing existence.

#131 matthewebbert

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Posted 04 April 2013 - 11:23 PM

Gattaca...




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