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[longevitynow]

I'm surprised no one mentioned LDN yet. Vivid dreams are its known side effect (at least in the beginning). Stronger when combined with melatonin.

What is LDN? I agree that melatonin increases dreaming in myself and many friends.

[longevitynow]

I took a very small dose of a powdered Piracetam/Aniracetam mix as I went to bed last night. I had an awesome recurring dream that I hadn't had (or perhaps remembered) in years. Not only that, but the place seemed very real and perhaps for the first time when I awoke I realized that the place is not real, but only there in the astral plane/dream body. I gained insight from the dream also. While not classic "Lucid Dreaming", I loved it anyway. Thanks Racetams!

[xEva]

LDN = low dose naltrexone, an opiate blocker used for treatment of heroin and alcohol addiction in high doses and for just about everything else lol in low doses.

[netra]

For me what works best is:
For inducing Lucid Dream at 6am in the morning: 1 pill of 5mg of Vinpocetine and 1 pill of 500mg of acetyl l-carnitine. It works great!!!!!!
For dream recalling: Krill Oil
The other day I took some pills for decresing mucus into my system and it had phenylephrine the same night I had a lot of dreams and I remembered them too.
So seems like something to investigate more in it.
Piracetam doesn't work for me. I am 40 and I read in other forum that works better when you are younger. I believe it's a great supplement, makes your mind sharper but if I take it in the night it takes me forever to go to sleep and if I take it in the morning in the night I have no dreams.
Piracetam is usually used for vividness but won't work in my case, so my question is, does anybody have anything else that helps vividness during the LD?
I notice now that rarely my dreams are very colorful or even psycadelic. I can still see colors but not as I used to see them when I was younger.
I wonder if there is something out there that can help.
Thanks

[1thoughtMaze1]

Keep puting your hand if front of your face, looking at your hand during the day, try to do the same thing when you sleep. When you do you wilL realize you're dreaming and go lucid. The more you do that during the day and stay conscious of the fact that's what you want to do at night will increase your chances.

[Hebbeh]

Epitalon hands down.

[1thoughtMaze1]

Yeah ok there Habib

[ZenBooster]

So much time has passed, maybe something new has appeared? Does IRDA-21 affect dreams? I wanted to try naphtidrofuril, but, perhaps, I will try the netra's method - vinpocetine + acetyl - l - carnitine..

[ZenBooster]

I tried it. 50 mg vinpocetine + 290 mg carnicetine (1 capsule). There's definitely something to it. I slept for about 6 hours, and this time I took only noopept 30 mg an hour before bedtime. Somewhere a couple of hours before the alarm, I woke up, remembered several fragments of a dream. But by morning, unfortunately, I forgot everything. Usually, in order to remember my dreams, I take 400 .. 600 mcg of hyperzine, or 8 mg of galantamine at night. Next time I will try 2x290 mg of carnicetin, and maybe 100 mcg of hyperzine.

I'm 41 years old.

Edited by ZenBooster, 17 November 2023 - 06:58 AM.

[ZenBooster]

I remembered! ))) At first I remembered that I woke up at night and it was a little hard for me to breathe, because my nose was stuffy. I took out xylometazoline without getting out of bed and dripped it into my nose. Then I remembered that I had dreamed about turning on a small electric motor. He gained a lot of momentum and the windings began to overheat. Apparently, they were soaked in paraffin. it boiled, and part of the cloud of vapor got into my nose. I was worried because I felt that it became harder for me to breathe, and I thought that it would be difficult to get rid of the settled paraffin in my lungs...

[Galaxyshock]

 You should try Calea zacatechichi or "Calea Dream Herb" fellas. 

[ZenBooster]

 You should try Calea zacatechichi or "Calea Dream Herb" fellas. 

I tried. For me it only works if you drink it in a course, before bed, for a week. The result is increased vividness and memorability. Apparently, the plant contains some kind of cholinomimetic, which accumulates throughout the course... Huperzine works better for me, although, like Zacatechichi, it doesn’t always...

[Rocket]

St John's Wort plus galantamine and get ready. If you can tolerate nicotine patches then its blast off.

Edited by Rocket, 25 November 2023 - 01:32 AM.

[Ghola]

One of the few highlights of Psychosis was I began to have lucid dreams. Moreover because of the disturbed state I was in, my subconscious was much more willing to believe impossible things giving me something akin to superpowers. I have frequently flown on command, forced myself to become invisible, thrown fireballs from my hands, teleported forwards large distances, and knowing that I was in a dream forced the fabric of reality to open closed doors. The last time this happened I dreamt I was talking to a person, and some higher faculty within me was trying to get me not to talk to myself on the fear it could lead to schizophrenia, lol.

 

This appears connected to 5ht2a sensitization from psych meds causing a blockade and may even be dangerous to overstimulate. 5htp, St John's wort, and a herbal sleep tincture including hops and Valerian had this effect. Actually gaining a degree of sentience within the dream was just a byproduct of it happening to me over and over and eventually the mind training itself while at a diminished level of awareness. I remember the first time it happened- I was staring at a mirror and someone was whispering in my ear to tell me to turn my head. I did, and the entire dream began to distort.

[mbdrinker]

Imho, lucid dreaming is bullshet from worldholders. It's impossible to sleep and to control visions at the same time. Sleep is restorative process when consciousness is switched off. You will wake up the very moment you realize that it's a sleep.

[Young Paul]

Imho, lucid dreaming is bullshet from worldholders. It's impossible to sleep and to control visions at the same time. Sleep is restorative process when consciousness is switched off. You will wake up the very moment you realize that it's a sleep.

 

why do you say bullshit, with your own bullshit ignorance, you seem like a 15 year old teen, trying to be cool n clever hahaha. Most people have had at least one lucid dream. the difference is that you're in control, you control everything, so it's really amazing, a bit like LSD. Before trying to answer, check stuff, read even the minumum. Ask someone who sleep walks, they are dreaming but can see. . Lucid dreaming is complicated but scientists have done many tests. There are crazy people who do it everyday, and thats quite dangerous. when you dream, and when youre in REM, your body is paralized except YOUR EYES. You can communicate using your eyes. I have had 3 natural lucid dreams, but woke up fast, so I bought rem detector glasses, which have a red light (cue to wake up a bit) they worked very well, but I decided to sell them, because I was afraid to continue. If you use lucid dreams everyday, then you get moments when you don't know if your dreaming or if its real, you could jump off a bridge and fly (or die), normally we look at a clock or watch to know if its a dream. Don't forget that you can dream hours and hours in just a few seconds (some people realize this when they press snooze on the alarm clock for 1 minute, and during that time have done hours of stuff. the same goes for deep hypnosis (time is distorted)

[mbdrinker]

Thanks for a large and quite an agressive post but you have described exactly the same what is described in jewish bullshetty meditation or lucid dreaming brochures. They agressively promoted that crap in 90-00s to find new entertainment/religion for slaves but anyone awakes the exact moment he realizes it's a sleep and i don't know anyone from real life to have ever had that jewish lucid crap experience. That's my firm point of view based on experience of myself and people around me. I sometimes fly and do other bizzare things at sleep but all this always ends as soon as i understand that alas it's not real. But jews insist that you may by will control your dreams. Dreams are subconscious visions and you can't control them. Your comparison to hypnosys is silly. It's hypnotizer who controlls you but not you yourself. But jews insist that you can also be own hypnotizer during sleep. What a BUULLSHET!

[mbdrinker]

Billions of people believe in god/s but i don't know anyone who has ever shaken hands with that god or seen him/them unless a person is totally mentally ill. It can be that some ill individuals can control their sleep dreams. Shizophrenics hear voices for example. But it's total bullshet for normal people. Dot.

[Young Paul]

mbdrinker, you also know nothing about hypnosis. a hypnotist never controls the subject. the person is guided using trance, and can come out of the trance at anytime. Trance, just like dreams, and lucid dreams has time distortion. I agree with you about god and religion....all bullshit

[Neurocryo]

I can achieve it sometimes safely with biooptimizers magnesium breakthrough, jarrow sleep optimizer, and life extension rest and renew.  Directions say 2 of the magnesium but I’ve found 3 is better.

[mbdrinker]

I don't believe in that talmudists' fairy tales about meditation or lucid dreaming, as well as no one among people i know (and they are over 40). When younger they watched holliwood crap and read talmudists' brochures about all that crap but no longer do it of course. I hope my post is politically correct now

[ZenBooster]

 

If someone else is interested in this topic, I seemed to feel my recipe for induction of conscious dreams. I described this scheme for Reddit (topic: "I may have found a magic pill for myself." in the community "LucidDreaming"), but in short I repeat here, since I am interested in whether it will work for anyone else.

I used the following regimen two nights in a row, and it worked every time! Also, a month ago, I tried taking piracetam with cytisine before bed without WBTB, and that worked too, but I don't think it worked as well as with WBTB.

 

Before bed, I took Lion's Mane (1 capsule of 15x extract) and iron citrate (any easily digestible form will probably work) ~30 mg.

 

After 4 hours - WBTB:

 

I immediately took piracetam 1600 mg, cytisine 1.5 mg, and went straight back to bed.

 

Total sleep time: 8-9 hours.

 

I had many lucid dreams. When I was losing consciousness, the techniques often worked well, allowing me to return and deepen my conscious awareness.

 

Perhaps this regimen could be simplified to just piracetam and cytisine.

 

I've tried galantamine 8 and 4 mg a dozen times before, but it rarely works. And recently, 8 mg has been causing unpleasant side effects.

 

I want to warn you that cytisine shouldn't be taken more than 1.5 mg, and you shouldn't combine it with any substances that potentiate the cholinergic system, especially acetylcholinesterase inhibitors, otherwise the side effects will skyrocket.

 

Just in case, I’ll add that I weigh ~75 kg.

Edited by ZenBooster, 26 September 2025 - 02:10 PM.

[mbdrinker]

Well, i will have to insist on the fact that lucid dreaming is a bullshit. Why? Just because there are no mentionings about this bullshit in any serious professional literature. There are mentionings about hypnoses, psychodelic trance, visions, hallucinations, psychosis but not a single line about that bullshet. But if you want to believe into it based on Kastaneda's nonsense, I cannot stop you but keep in mind that Kastaneda has not a single connection to official science.

If you want really vivid dreams you may try doxylamine tablet (donormil in russia). It's actually kind of psychodelic as histamin blockers intensify lsdish substances (info from 1964 book ussr). It kind of activates feeling like you are 7 years old. It can hypothetically mean activating alpha brain childish waves which leads to vivid dreams. Megadosing vitC also helps sleep dreaming. All pop pieces of advice like coffee, piracetam and other stimulators are total bullshet.

Under doxylamine i had a dream of fat girl flying over the bridge over Volga (25 m height over water) with me explaining to her: hey girl you cant' fly, if you fly it means that either you are sleeping or me is sleeping. But the unique thing about that was that i did not realize that i was sleeping while talking with her. I believed in the depth of my soul that she was sleeping, not me. Actually, you always immediately wake up as soon as you realize the fact that you are sleeping. Our psyche just works this way.

Edited by mbdrinker, 26 September 2025 - 08:20 PM.

[mbdrinker]

Actually psychomimetics (lsd, meskalin, psylocin, psylocibin, bufotenin, etc) generate kind of lucid dreamings but you are not sleeping at all though you find yourself inside distorted reality. We can observe some parallelism between sleep dreaming and pshychodelic experience and as experiments in 60s have shown such experience led to curative results (similar to psychodelic practices of american indians), i.e. both sleep and artificial shizophrenia (drug induced psychosys) create new links in brain structures which kind of reboots the nervous system with consequent possibility to try other ways against the disease.

[mbdrinker]

Under doxylamine i get similar experience as with good old melatonin of 2005: fast falling asleep, changed perception next day. Melatonin since 2010s has become fake in russia. Calea zakatechichi gave only headache to me both at smoking or drinking.

I suspect it's possible to arrive at lsd experience experimenting with combos of histamin blockers between themselves and other xyz substances. Of course one may take easily accessible atropin but it's kind of dangerous for experimenting alone due to possibility of suicide or injuries to yourself or others. All those psycho trips should be monitored by someone.

[mbdrinker]

One possible combo: pennicilin tablets + bromhexine tablets+doxylamine+suprastin tablets. Who's young may try and report to us all. I am kind of old and ill to take the risk. Penniciline and brom cause psychosys when accumulated in body, last 2 intensify the drugs causing psychosys.

[ZenBooster]

Well, i will have to insist on the fact that lucid dreaming is a bullshit.

Lucid dreaming is a well-documented phenomenon that occurs during ordinary REM sleep and shows the same physiological markers typical of REM, rather than being a merely hypnagogic or “pre-sleep” state. Classic laboratory verification used pre-agreed volitional signals (eye-movement sequences) from sleepers who became lucid; those signals were recorded during unequivocal REM sleep, proving that lucidity can arise without waking. Subsequent EEG and stimulation studies show that lucid dreams are REM phenomena that include additional waking-like features (increased frontal/gamma activity and metacognitive processing) but remain embedded in REM sleep rather than being a transition to wakefulness.

 

Key points:

 

* Objective, signal-verified lucid dreaming was demonstrated experimentally (volitional eye-movement signals during REM).

* Large analyses of signal-verified lucid dreams show REM polysomnography and REM-typical autonomic/ocular features.

* EEG studies report that lucid dreams combine REM physiology with increased higher-frequency (gamma) and frontal activation associated with self-reflection — i.e., REM plus added metacognitive signatures, not wakefulness.

* Recent reviews summarize these findings and conclude that lucid dreaming is best understood as REM sleep with additional waking-like (metacognitive/gamma) features.

 

Plain links

 

1. LaBerge S., Nagel L. E., Dement W. C., Zarcone V. P., Jr. — Lucid dreaming verified by volitional communication during REM sleep (1981).

   [https://pubmed.ncbi.....gov/24171230/)

 

2. LaBerge S., Levitan L., Dement W. C. — Physiological correlates / analyses of signal-verified lucid dreams (1986) (PDF).

   [https://ruccs.rutger...11-Laberge.pdf)

 

3. LaBerge S. — Physiological correlates of consciousness during REM sleep / lucid dreaming (1986 summary / JSTOR entry).

   [https://www.jstor.or...table/43853217)

 

4. Voss U., et al. — Lucid dreaming: a state of consciousness with features of both waking and non-lucid dreaming (2009).

   [https://pmc.ncbi.nlm...es/PMC2737577/)

 

5. Baird B., et al. — The cognitive neuroscience of lucid dreaming (review, 2019).

   [https://pmc.ncbi.nlm...es/PMC6451677/)

 

6. Filevich E., Dresler M., Brick T. R., Kühn S. — Metacognitive mechanisms underlying lucid dreaming (J. Neurosci., 2015).

   [https://www.jneurosc...tent/35/3/1082)

   PubMed: [https://pubmed.ncbi.....gov/25609624/)

[mbdrinker]

Ok, any links to literature from 60s or earlier? I mean the good old times of real science vs its late emulation. I bet it's all somewhere around time of Kastaneda. I think it's a protective mechanism to wake up immediately upon realizing the fact of being asleep because some nightmares i suspect can potentially damage psyche. But may be you are right that some individuals with non-standard psyche like shizophrenics can have gamma brainwaves during rem sleep and can continue sleeping with visual perception of dreamt environment at the same time realizing the fact of sleeping and even control the sequence/plot of hallucinations. But as I have mentioned before neither me nor any of my acquiantances ever had anything similar and for that reason it's impossible to learn lucid dreaming thing if you have normal psyche and metabolism in nervous system.

[ZenBooster]

Historically many researchers also doubted whether lucid dreaming was “full” REM rather than a waking-like state. That was settled experimentally: pre-agreed volitional eye-movement signals were recorded during unequivocal REM, demonstrating lucidity inside REM sleep (Hearne/LaBerge, 1970s–1981). Asking only for 1960s papers ignores that science advances — lab verification simply came later. Sure — demand 1960s papers. By that logic we should also demand pre-1905 papers proving quantum theory before accepting it. Lab studies in the 1970s–80s (Hearne; LaBerge 1981) already verified lucid dreaming as a REM phenomenon.

[QuestforLife]

Okay, stepping back from the arguments over whether lucid dreaming is real or not - I believe it is as I have had 2 lucid dreams in my life - can we actually boost the chances of having a lucid dream with supplements? I am not interested in a large stack, unless there is very good evidence that many supplements are needed together. I am also not interested in techniques like waking up and then going back to sleep somewhere else, as I am a householder who cannot lose half a night's sleep. With all this in mind, what is the best strategy and the best, reliable supplements (if any)?