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Bruce Ames, Alcar And Lipoic Acid


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#31 shifter

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Posted 04 February 2007 - 12:44 AM

Thats a lot of money for something you still have to take 3 times a day.

is 'Doctors Best' a reputable brand?? I found this on iherb.com http://www.iherb.com...s&pid=DRB-00123

So much cheaper, and you could take that several times a day if you wanted. If the half life is 25 minutes, that means in 25 minutes you have 50mg, then 25, then 12.5 etc, which is FAR more than any 'ordinary' person obtains from their diet. Take 1 in the morning, 1 at lunch at 1 at dinner time and your body wont be without it most of the time.

I am also curious about it being 'stable'. Are the other ones no good and unstable? Does the 'stability' act like sustained release?

While I agree the sustained release might be a bit better, I dont think its worth an extra $20US. For that kind of money I could get another cool supplement to add to my regime ;)

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Posted 04 February 2007 - 01:54 AM

http://www.amazon.co...R/dp/B000CC1JXI

AOR R+ LA Sustained release form. Not cheap either.

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Posted 04 February 2007 - 03:02 AM

I am also curious about it being 'stable'. Are the other ones no good and unstable? Does the 'stability' act like sustained release?

While I agree the sustained release might be a bit better, I dont think its worth an extra $20US. For that kind of money I could get another cool supplement to add to my regime 


Stability has to do with shelf life- not degrading or polymerizing before you take it. It doesn't relate to sustained release.

As long as you aren't taking ALCAR, the fast release form should be OK. Personally, I don't think the R form is worth the extra $20... I spend a little extra for timed release, but it's racemic. (Jarrow sustained rec LA + biotin, 60 300mg $16.77; AOR R+SR about $36) I just take twice as much as I would if it was R. So far I have not seen any compelling evidence that S-LA is harmful. All the evidence I've seen says that R is better than S, but not that S is bad. AOR, who have put more effort into promoting RALA than anyone else I've seen, talks about a rat study that Bruce Ames is doing that will, you know, certainly prove that R is way better than racemic. Here is the text: (from http://www.r-lipoic....Supplements.htm )

Fortunately, however, there's another lifespan study already underway - a study which will yield the kind of answers we seek. After looking at the astounding rejuvenation of mitochondrial function achieved by researchers using R(+)-Lipoic Acid - and especially the R(+)-Lipoic Acid/ALCAR cocktail - the National Institutes on Aging are now convinced of the need for a new R(+)-Lipoic Acid lifespan study. 77, 86 Unlike the Riverside/Madison study, this experiment (run by Drs. Hagen and Ames) will be done using the right molecule: R(+)-Lipoic Acid. And unlike the first, published study, 119 it will use the right rodent, too: a long-lived strain of rat. There will be no ambiguity in these results.

It's taken Hagen and Ames some time to get started. There were problems getting the animals, and also problems getting the R(+)-Lipoic Acid: 86 until very recently, the only sources in the world were two German pharmaceutical companies, who have been very jealously guarding the precious stuff. But the funding is in place, the animals are housed, and the diets prepared. In a couple of years, we should know if R(+)-Lipoic Acid pills are seeds stolen from the Tree of Life.


All the reference links are broken at this site. I couldn't find a date, but I think that the site is pretty old, like from around 2000 or 01, based on the references that are there. I haven't seen anything from Ames and Hagen on this, so unless it hasn't been published yet, it must not have worked. Does anyone know what's up with the RALA rats?

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Posted 04 February 2007 - 05:21 AM

All the reference links are broken at this site.  I couldn't find a date, but I think that the site is pretty old, like from around 2000 or 01, based on the references that are there.  I haven't seen anything from Ames and Hagen on this, so unless it hasn't been published yet, it must not have worked.  Does anyone know what's up with the RALA rats?


They are still alive.

#35 JLL

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Posted 29 October 2008 - 10:41 AM

AOR's Ortho-Core has this as one of its ingredients:

R(+)-Lipoic Acid 150 mg

Is polymerization an issue here? I assume a lot of people here take Ortho-Core; yet it seems they're also supplementing with extra ALA. Any spesific reason?

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Posted 30 October 2008 - 12:17 AM

All the reference links are broken at this site. I couldn't find a date, but I think that the site is pretty old, like from around 2000 or 01, based on the references that are there. I haven't seen anything from Ames and Hagen on this, so unless it hasn't been published yet, it must not have worked. Does anyone know what's up with the RALA rats?


They are still alive.


Here's another study on RLA and old rats: http://www.pnas.org/.../99/4/1876.full

Edited by Dmitri, 30 October 2008 - 12:18 AM.


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Posted 22 March 2010 - 03:57 PM

Bruce Ames gives an hour talk on LA/ALCAR and supplementation for longer life. It goes over his research on LA/ALCAR, and gives some very nice graphs of "performance" of old and young mice as: controls, LA only, ALCAR only, and LA/ALCAR supplementation.

The second half of the talk is about his effort to boost the health of the poor by supplementation of multi-vitamins/high dose Bs. He says high dose Bs get around all sorts of polymorphisms that shorten lifespan.


I want to bump this thread with an updated link for this excellent lecture ("Delaying the Degenerative Disease of Aging"). It's no longer at the UCSD TV site, and I found several other dead links. Dr. Ames's executive assistant Teresa was kind enough to send me the current link at the USC Davis School of Gerontology video page. Dr. Ames is a fun and engaging speaker, I highly recommend it.

If, like me, you abhor watching movies in a web browser, and don't want to monkey with the problematic Windows Media Player browser plug-in, you can download the WMV file (190mb) with little difficulty. I used a freeware program called SDP Downloader for windows. Not sure what's out there for mac.

Edited by chrono, 22 March 2010 - 04:00 PM.


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Posted 23 March 2010 - 03:31 PM

I want to bump this thread with an updated link for this excellent lecture ("Delaying the Degenerative Disease of Aging"). It's no longer at the UCSD TV site, and I found several other dead links. Dr. Ames's executive assistant Teresa was kind enough to send me the current link at the USC Davis School of Gerontology video page. Dr. Ames is a fun and engaging speaker, I highly recommend it.


Very interesting talk. Hope he manages to get that all-in-one nutrient bar out. I know I would try it out for sure.

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Posted 18 July 2010 - 06:55 AM



Mech Ageing Dev. 2010 Apr 24. [Epub ahead of print]


Optimal micronutrients delay mitochondrial decay and age-associated diseases.
Ames BN.

Children's Hospital Oakland Research Institute, Nutrition and Metabolism Center, 5700 Martin Luther King Jr. Way, Oakland, CA 94609, United States.


Abstract
Three of our research efforts are reviewed, which suggest that optimizing metabolism will delay aging and the diseases of aging in humans. (1) Research on delay of the mitochondrial decay of aging by supplementing rats with lipoic acid and acetyl carnitine. (2) The triage theory, which posits that modest micronutrient deficiencies (common in much of the population) accelerate molecular aging, including mitochondrial decay, and supportive evidence, including an analysis in depth of vitamin K, that suggests the importance of achieving optimal micronutrient intake for longevity. (3) The finding that decreased enzyme binding constants (increased Km) for coenzymes (or substrates) can result from protein deformation and loss of function due to loss of membrane fluidity with age, or to polymorphisms or mutation. The loss of enzyme function can be ameliorated by high doses of a B vitamin, which raises coenzyme levels, and indicates the importance of understanding the effects of age, or polymorphisms, on micronutrient requirements. Copyright © 2010 Elsevier Ireland Ltd. All rights reserved.

PMID: 20420847 [PubMed - as supplied by publisher]





Thought I would post an updated paper on his Triage Theory of Aging (which I really like the idea of).




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