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[ADHDMonkey]

Hey everyone,

First off, I love this website! Such intelligent discussion, and way fewer idiots than most forums

Anyways, I'm a 27-year-old male with a mild case of ADHD. I've been on amphetamines prescribed by my doctor on and off for a year, first dexedrine, then switched to Adderall XR (20mg) cause I couldn't deal with the dexedrine crash.

The Adderall works amazingly for me - I have the laser-sharp focus to succeed at my extremely technical job, and it has also improved my social skills and made me way more organized. Unfortunately, it seems that since I started the stimulants, I have developed very high blood pressure (155/95), a problem I never had before. So, I'd like to switch over to a regimen that's less hard on my circulatory system (and Strattera didn't work for me.)

Just for some background on things I have tried, and how I reacted to them... maybe someone here more knowledgable than myself can give me some advice how to proceed.

Modafinil - kept me awake, but had no beneficial effect
Ergolean AMP (geranamine + chocamine + caffeine) - worked well the first few times, but unsuitable for daily use due to build up of tolerance
Strattera - reacted extremely badly - made my ADHD much worse
Tyrosine and/or Phenylalanine - caused anxiety and jitters, like too much caffeine
Piracetam - tried once, but didn't like the way it interacted with the amphetamine (so maybe its an option for me when I've tapered completely?)

From what I've heard, maybe Phenylpiracetam / Carphedon is the way to go? Seems to have an extreme focusing effect.

Anyways, I would be greatly appreciative if I could get some suggestions.

Cheers

[Rags847]

Hey everyone,

First off, I love this website! Such intelligent discussion, and way fewer idiots than most forums

I second that!

Piracetam - tried once, but didn't like the way it interacted with the amphetamine (so maybe its an option for me when I've tapered completely?)

I'd be interested in how you'd describe being on these two at the same time. I have had excellent results from Piracetam and from Dextroamphetamine this year (but haven't tried them on the same day too many times - three months on one and then three months on the other). They enhance different aspects of mental functioning.

From what I've heard, maybe Phenylpiracetam / Carphedon is the way to go? Seems to have an extreme focusing effect.

Phenylpiracetam is a drug with a few studies published in Russia and little other research done on it. Don't know if I'd trust it.

Edited by Rags847, 30 June 2008 - 07:06 AM.

[spacey]

Carphedon is a phenethylamine with stimulant effects, although if you've been on dexxies and adderall then the effect won't be as profound for you. In terms of health and what not, even though we don't know for sure yet. Compared to long-term effects of amphetamines I'd bet my horses on Carphedon.

[FunkOdyssey]

If you don't mind the inquiry, what is your BMI? Do you exercise regularly? Good diet? Smoke? Combine adderall with alot of caffeine? I ask because in most people, adderall only raises blood pressure about 2-4 mm/Hg. You don't want to give up adderall, have your work performance suffer, and then find that you still have high blood pressure due to other factors. Its easy enough to test whether adderall is the culprit after some time off and another blood pressure reading, but I wouldn't be surprised if it is still quite high.

Edited by FunkOdyssey, 30 June 2008 - 01:46 PM.

[ADHDMonkey]

If you don't mind the inquiry, what is your BMI? Do you exercise regularly? Good diet? Smoke? Combine adderall with alot of caffeine? I ask because in most people, adderall only raises blood pressure about 2-4 mm/Hg. You don't want to give up adderall, have your work performance suffer, and then find that you still have high blood pressure due to other factors. Its easy enough to test whether adderall is the culprit after some time off and another blood pressure reading, but I wouldn't be surprised if it is still quite high.

Good point about the blood pressure. I smoke and eat a horrible diet, but am not overweight (6'1, 190 pounds). If I could give up smoking, maybe I could stay on the adderall for a while longer.

I still worry about the long-term effects of adderall on the heart and the brain... Maybe carphedon is worth a shot - if anyone here knows where to order it I'll grab a small amount and try to substitute it for the adderall.

In regards to the piracetam+adderall question: it severely upset my stomach, and therefore I will not try it again. Interesting that similar combos work for others...

[Ghostrider]

Phenylpiracetam is a drug with a few studies published in Russia and little other research done on it. Don't know if I'd trust it.

There is not much data on phenylpiracetam...out of all the noots that I tried though, Phenylpiracetam is one of the few to produce a noticeable effect. I don't know if it increases focus though. Seems to improve mood, motivation, and possibly reduce the need for sleep temporarily. At least that is what I have found. Similar to caffeine, but it *feels* cleaner.

[Ben]

If you don't mind the inquiry, what is your BMI? Do you exercise regularly? Good diet? Smoke? Combine adderall with alot of caffeine? I ask because in most people, adderall only raises blood pressure about 2-4 mm/Hg. You don't want to give up adderall, have your work performance suffer, and then find that you still have high blood pressure due to other factors. Its easy enough to test whether adderall is the culprit after some time off and another blood pressure reading, but I wouldn't be surprised if it is still quite high.

Good point about the blood pressure. I smoke and eat a horrible diet, but am not overweight (6'1, 190 pounds). If I could give up smoking, maybe I could stay on the adderall for a while longer.

I still worry about the long-term effects of adderall on the heart and the brain... Maybe carphedon is worth a shot - if anyone here knows where to order it I'll grab a small amount and try to substitute it for the adderall.

In regards to the piracetam+adderall question: it severely upset my stomach, and therefore I will not try it again. Interesting that similar combos work for others...

At 190 lbs and 6'1" (my height as well, I weigh only 157, not waifish just a very, very low body fat) you would want to be carrying a lot of lean mass. If you aren't, being a man, a lot of that fat must be around your midriff. Am I right?

Edited by Ben - Aus, 04 July 2008 - 11:41 AM.