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[superpooper]

Anyways I seem to have severe reactions to liver supplements.

I've had a nasty reactions to:

-Milk Thistle (this was the worst)
-Taurine
-Lecithin
-NAC

I even have had problems with coffee, I won't even go near it.

Green tea is just about the only liver health food I can tolerate.

Is there anything I haven't heard of? I haven't tried curcumin but I figure I would have a reaction to it, since things that increase bile seem to be what gives me problems.

[lynx]

SAMe, Methylation supps,Whey protein,

[krillin]

NaRALA

[ortcloud]

Anyways I seem to have severe reactions to liver supplements.

I've had a nasty reactions to:

-Milk Thistle (this was the worst)
-Taurine
-Lecithin
-NAC

I even have had problems with coffee, I won't even go near it.

Green tea is just about the only liver health food I can tolerate.

Is there anything I haven't heard of? I haven't tried curcumin but I figure I would have a reaction to it, since things that increase bile seem to be what gives me problems.

I could post a list too, but this sounds serious, what kind of reaction do you get ?

Have you considered a liver flush hulda clark style ?

It is by far the most profound health boosting thing I have
done and I have tried nearly everything.

[unbreakable]

Personally I think liver flushes are a scam, but thats just my opinion. @superpooper: What damages/damaged your liver (toxins like alcohol, a virus like Hepatitis-C)? What are your blood results (GOT, GPT, Gamma-GT, Bilirubin, LDH, Cholinesterase, Alkaline Phosphatase)? Did you have ultrasound of your liver/abdomen? Maybe even a Biopsy? I think the best liver supplent is S-Adenosylmethionine, it reduced mortality of people with alcoholic liver cirrhosis and helps people with cholestasis. But before you consider self-medicating you need blood tests and sonography of the abdomen, if this has not yet been done.

Edited by unbreakable, 16 July 2008 - 04:37 PM.

[hamishm00]

Personally I think liver flushes are a scam, but thats just my opinion. @superpooper: What damages/damaged your liver (toxins like alcohol, a virus like Hepatitis-C)? What are your blood results (GOT, GPT, Gamma-GT, Bilirubin, LDH, Cholinesterase, Alkaline Phosphatase)? Did you have ultrasound of your liver/abdomen? Maybe even a Biopsy? I think the best liver supplent is S-Adenosylmethionine, it reduced mortality of people with alcoholic liver cirrhosis and helps people with cholestasis. But before you consider self-medicating you need blood tests and sonography of the abdomen, if this has not yet been done.

I agree, liver flushes are a scam IMO.

[ortcloud]

Personally I think liver flushes are a scam, but thats just my opinion. @superpooper: What damages/damaged your liver (toxins like alcohol, a virus like Hepatitis-C)? What are your blood results (GOT, GPT, Gamma-GT, Bilirubin, LDH, Cholinesterase, Alkaline Phosphatase)? Did you have ultrasound of your liver/abdomen? Maybe even a Biopsy? I think the best liver supplent is S-Adenosylmethionine, it reduced mortality of people with alcoholic liver cirrhosis and helps people with cholestasis. But before you consider self-medicating you need blood tests and sonography of the abdomen, if this has not yet been done.

I agree, liver flushes are a scam IMO.

I initially didnt think much of them at first either but after years of running across people mentioning
them I finally decided to do some research but then ran into conflicting info that they were a scam.
So then I was on a mission to try to figure out the truth. So after researching for hundreds of hours
over 6 years in search of the truth I have learned alot, probably more than enough to write a book
about them, I say that also because I have spoken to an author who did write a book on the subject
and knew some things he didnt.
I have also personally done many liver flushes and read accounts from hundreds of other people that got therapeutic results.
There is alot of bad information and hasty opinions that have been drawn on the subject. Most of it started
a long time ago from one source, which I tracked down and investigated who started the rumor and asked them
what they based their opinion on, why they came to that conclusion and why they are wrong. Most of the problem comes
from some overlap in the reason why people do them. There are many things that a liver flush can do but they
can probably be categorized into two categories, people who want to pass gallstones and people who have a
health issue they want to resolve. Most of the confusion revolves around the stones that people pass. I could
write alot more but the bottom line is I can tell you unequivocally that they are not a scam. Trust me, if you
have just done some light reading about the subject and came to a conclusion based on that you are missing out
on what many say is the most powerful health therapy/remedy there is.

[luv2increase]

I agree, liver flushes are a scam IMO.

What eludes you to believe that it (liver flush) is a scam? No one is selling anything... No one makes money off of telling people about it.... I am confused here. I think your definition of a scam is somewhat muddled.

Are you telling me that the hundreds of people who have done the liver cleanses are full of B.S.? Are you telling me that the crap that had been crapped out of them and analyzed was not what the analysis concluded it to be?

I think you and the other joker need to study liver flushes more intensively to get a more profound, albeit clear understanding of them.


Personally, after years of research on the subject, although never actually partaking in one; I have concluded that a liver flush is an excellent and efficacious treatment and preventative measure to liver ailments. Not to mention, it will benefit one's general health as well. This is an added bonus especially since the liver is the master organ. A bad liver will inevitably influence bad health in every other domain of health. This obviously isn't conducive to one's life extending endeavors.

Edited by luv2increase, 20 July 2008 - 03:58 AM.

[unbreakable]

What is the scientific evidence/proof of a "liver flush" working?

[tham]

Coconut juice :

http://www.imminst.o...o...st&p=240026


Phyllantus niruri, Eclipta alba, picrorrhiza kurroa, Liv. 52.

You made a similar post some time ago, to which
I gave info on the above.

http://www.imminst.o...o...st&p=128006


For phyllathus niruri, you can get it as chanca piedra,
same herb, though of course not as potent as the
standardized Malaysian product above.

http://www.betterlif...p?prod_id=21860

[tham]

Coconut juice may not be suitable for you after all.

Looking again at the earlier study, it moves bile, which
you said you can't tolerate.

http://www.ncbi.nlm....l=pubmed_docsum

[Heliotrope]

Anyways I seem to have severe reactions to liver supplements.

I've had a nasty reactions to:

-Milk Thistle (this was the worst)
-Taurine
-Lecithin
-NAC

I even have had problems with coffee, I won't even go near it.

Green tea is just about the only liver health food I can tolerate.

Is there anything I haven't heard of? I haven't tried curcumin but I figure I would have a reaction to it, since things that increase bile seem to be what gives me problems.

I want to know too. i don't think i have good reactions to coffee either, i just take the caffiene pills instead but i think i simply have bad rxns with the caffiene molecule. I dislike the taste of coffee in general except the expensive sugary starbucks ones, and so the cheap caffiene pills are good as alert-ness/cog-enhancement aid but when i take even a couple of those pills, i feel like either defecating or vomiting to get it out of my system real quick, and that makes me feel physically ill.

Caffiene definitely wakes me and makes my head feel clearer but upsets the stomach too much whether I take them with food or mostly empty. Does caffiene help liver though? But no point trying to help some organs while hurting others! it makes my heart beat fast and irregular too. Green tea tastes pretty good but it doesn't have that pick-me-up buzz, simply not strong enough. I'm out of ideas, and the only other plausible choice besides the finils (trying to get adrafinil, but adrafinil may stress liver, though my liver is very healthy but i want to be sure i can protect as many organs as possible. I will compare to caffiene and report back) well there're are the energy drinks like red bull, monster etc that contain lots of taurine , ginseng and other stuff and their caffiene amounts are not so bad and more gently absorbed by me but my system can't simply guzzle down lots of those drinks.

Any other good supps for internal organs , esp for the liver, heart, and stomach-soothing stuff?

Edited by HYP86, 21 July 2008 - 11:08 AM.

[REGIMEN]

Anyways I seem to have severe reactions to liver supplements.

I've had a nasty reactions to:

-Milk Thistle (this was the worst)
-Taurine
-Lecithin
-NAC

I even have had problems with coffee, I won't even go near it.

Green tea is just about the only liver health food I can tolerate.

Is there anything I haven't heard of? I haven't tried curcumin but I figure I would have a reaction to it, since things that increase bile seem to be what gives me problems.

http://www.rootdown....hiddenValueBox=

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Edited by REGIMEN, 11 September 2008 - 04:39 AM.

[renwosing]

superpooper,

try activated charcoal and drink lotsa water.

renwosing.

[Phoebus]

beets are a great liver support food. beets and beet juice thin the bile and also bind to bile salts in the intestinal track which prevents them from being reabsorbed. olive oil is also great for the liver, and a snack of crushed beets with olive oil is a great liver support snack.

herbs for the liver include dandelion, burdock, and barberry.

magnesium is important since it keep the gall bladder from spasming.

lemon juice dilluted with water is a simple and gentle liver cleanse.

as for the liver flush, literally thousands of people have done it and had great results.

[zorba990]

Anyways I seem to have severe reactions to liver supplements.

I've had a nasty reactions to:

-Milk Thistle (this was the worst)
-Taurine
-Lecithin
-NAC

I even have had problems with coffee, I won't even go near it.

Green tea is just about the only liver health food I can tolerate.

Is there anything I haven't heard of? I haven't tried curcumin but I figure I would have a reaction to it, since things that increase bile seem to be what gives me problems.

What is the bad reaction?
Do you have a specific diagnosed health issue?

Some other things are:
glucuronate / glucuronolactone
bupleurum herb (usually used along with other herbs in a TCM forumula
Oregon Grape Root
Peppermint
High Quality raw unfiltered olive oil like Bariani

[LIB]

I will chime in and say I've done the live flush and had great results.

[renwosing]

I would say just stick to the basics.

Too much of good things, you wont know what is actually working synergistically or cancelling out the others.

Get a formulation from AOR like their Ortho-Liver, I tried, pretty good.

Or NOW Dr Veghese Detoxifier.

Get something within your budget and do about 3g of activated charcoal mixed with a glass of water, and down it daily.

Renwosing

[pooh]

Personally I think liver flushes are a scam, but thats just my opinion. @superpooper: What damages/damaged your liver (toxins like alcohol, a virus like Hepatitis-C)? What are your blood results (GOT, GPT, Gamma-GT, Bilirubin, LDH, Cholinesterase, Alkaline Phosphatase)? Did you have ultrasound of your liver/abdomen? Maybe even a Biopsy? I think the best liver supplent is S-Adenosylmethionine, it reduced mortality of people with alcoholic liver cirrhosis and helps people with cholestasis. But before you consider self-medicating you need blood tests and sonography of the abdomen, if this has not yet been done.

try doing liver flush before you say it's a scam! this is more scientific! i tried it already! it's safe and the result is amazing!

[Lufega]

If you reat poorly to things that move bile, maybe you have a gallbladder problem. Obstruction? Stones? Cholecystitis? Cholelithiasis?

I don't think liver flushes are a scam but I do think the rationale behind it is totally off. There is no way on this Earth anyone could pass stones that large without rupturing something. The same goes for mucoid plaques, all these are being formed by what's being put in. I think both of these work by moving things along, cleaning you out but definitely not by removing stones or built-plaque. With that said, I have tried a less intense version of both with good results.

Edited by Lufega, 27 December 2008 - 01:25 PM.

[pycnogenol]

Andrographis is supposed to be a good liver supplement but I've yet to try it. Dos anyone here take Andrographis?

Anti-oxidant and liver protection:

"Andrographis paniculata treatment prevents BHC induced increase in the activities of enzymes y-Glutamyl transpeptidase, glutathione-S-transferase and lipid peroxidation. The activities of antioxidant enzymes like superoxide dismutase, catalase, glutathione peroxidase and the levels of glutathione were decreased following BHC effect. Administration of andrographis showed protective effects in the activity of superoxide dismutase, catalase, glutathione peroxidase, glutathione reductase as well the level of glutathione. The activity of lipid peroxidase was also decreased. The result indicate antioxidant and hepatoprotective action of andrographis." - Ray Sahelian

Edited by pycnogenol, 27 December 2008 - 02:34 PM.

[jessicantique]

many herbs or TCM are usually used to help strength or detoxify liver and kidney, however, before you take any herbs, do some research first on their long term toxicity first, , most of them are not for long term use, instead , is for short-term relief,
sometimes it helps one organ, but hurt the others, .

[jessicantique]

i have been taking ALA, also i know there 's a more potent form (NaRALA) , do you personally feel and can compare the differences? mostly i buy the NSL ALA + A-L-carnitine,
do you think it's acceptable to general health maintenance?

[Lufega]

Andrographis is supposed to be a good liver supplement but I've yet to try it. Dos anyone here take Andrographis?

Anti-oxidant and liver protection:

"Andrographis paniculata treatment prevents BHC induced increase in the activities of enzymes y-Glutamyl transpeptidase, glutathione-S-transferase and lipid peroxidation. The activities of antioxidant enzymes like superoxide dismutase, catalase, glutathione peroxidase and the levels of glutathione were decreased following BHC effect. Administration of andrographis showed protective effects in the activity of superoxide dismutase, catalase, glutathione peroxidase, glutathione reductase as well the level of glutathione. The activity of lipid peroxidase was also decreased. The result indicate antioxidant and hepatoprotective action of andrographis." - Ray Sahelian

Ive been looking to try this herb. It has such a cool sounding name.

[synaesthetic]

beets are a great liver support food. beets and beet juice thin the bile and also bind to bile salts in the intestinal track which prevents them from being reabsorbed. olive oil is also great for the liver, and a snack of crushed beets with olive oil is a great liver support snack.

herbs for the liver include dandelion, burdock, and barberry.

magnesium is important since it keep the gall bladder from spasming.

lemon juice dilluted with water is a simple and gentle liver cleanse.

as for the liver flush, literally thousands of people have done it and had great results.

I agree with you. Beet juice seems to help me alot.

[brokenportal]

SENS will help your liver if we get enough support to help get it done in our life times.

[pycnogenol]

Here's another interesting one --- introducing (drum roll, please!) --- Sea buckthorn


"Sea buckthorn is well known for their cholesterol busting properties, but scientists in India say that its leaves are also rich
in antioxidants and may help ward off liver disease, according to new research. Sea buckthorn has been shown to be
rich in vitamin C, vitamin E, flavonoids and essential fatty acids. The extract appeares to havea protective mechanism on the
liver."

Edited by pycnogenol, 28 December 2008 - 02:41 PM.

[unbreakable]

This are my favorite liver supplements:

S-Adenosylmethionine or Betaine
(Polyenyl)Phosphatidylcholine or Lecithin
Silymarin-Phosphatidylcholine or plain Silymarin
N-Acetylcysteine
(R-)Alpha-Lipoic-Acid

Edited by unbreakable, 30 December 2008 - 07:40 AM.

[NDM]

I just take AOR Ortho-Liver. Unfortunately, it has too much NAC in it. I just wish somebody proves wrong that damned study that showed NAC to cause pulmonary hypertension. In all other respects, NAC would be the ideal supp to megadose on (if you read the review on NAC in Trends in Pharmacological Sciences).

By the way, I noticed that almost everything that works on the liver also works on the brain...

[tham]

How about this :

http://www.betterlif...p?prod_id=22571