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Exogenous AGE- Is it a problem?


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#1 david ellis

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Posted 18 July 2008 - 04:07 PM


In the comments to a post on Ending Aging (by De Grey), Dr Eades had this to say about AGEs.

"I agree that there are vastly more AGEs in cooked foods, especially meats. What I’m not so sure about is whether or not the AGEs we eat end up as AGEs in us. The transit through the extreme acidity of the stomach would, I imagine, reduce the AGEs to their components, which we would absorb. The healthy human GI tract doesn’t have the ability to absorb large molecules. Even diglycerides (sugars composed of two other sugars, sucrose, for example) must be broken down to monoglycerides before being absorbed, so I seriously doubt that complex molecules such as AGEs could be absorbed in there native state. As a consequence, I’m not particularly worried about the AGEs I eat - I much more worried about the AGEs I create within."

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Posted 18 July 2008 - 04:25 PM

In the comments to a post on Ending Aging (by De Grey), Dr Eades had this to say about AGEs.



His post on Ending Aging is a rebuttal to De Grey's position that Low-carb diets accelerate Aging. I just realized, the Low-Carb controversy should be another thread.

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Posted 19 July 2008 - 05:55 AM

In the comments to a post on Ending Aging (by De Grey), Dr Eades had this to say about AGEs.

"I agree that there are vastly more AGEs in cooked foods, especially meats. What I’m not so sure about is whether or not the AGEs we eat end up as AGEs in us. The transit through the extreme acidity of the stomach would, I imagine, reduce the AGEs to their components, which we would absorb. The healthy human GI tract doesn’t have the ability to absorb large molecules. Even diglycerides (sugars composed of two other sugars, sucrose, for example) must be broken down to monoglycerides before being absorbed, so I seriously doubt that complex molecules such as AGEs could be absorbed in there native state. As a consequence, I’m not particularly worried about the AGEs I eat - I much more worried about the AGEs I create within."

He ought to quit wasting his time theorizing and read the literature. Feeding AGEs results in increased tissue AGEs and excretion of AGEs. The only thing we lack is a study that feeds labeled AGEs. And then there's all the adverse effects observed from their consumption that should make him worry.

I was also surprised by how blatantly he lies.

The study Dr. de Grey refers to was published a few years ago in a paper in the Annals of the New York Academy of Science. Aside from the fact that this is the only such paper in the literature showing this phenomenon, you must realize that the papers published in this journal are the print versions of talks given at NY Academy of Science meetings. These meetings are organized around specific topics and dozens of researchers present their work. These presentations are then written up and published in the Annals. As such, they really don’t go through the peer-review process that other such studies must before they appear in print in standard scientific journals. In fact, most papers that appear in the Annals of the NY Academy have been published elsewhere first because the published papers are what led the organizers of the particular meeting to seek out these researchers and ask them to speak.


http://www.annalsnya...isc/about.shtml

Each Annals volume contains edited, reviewed papers based on presentations made at symposia, conferences, and workshops held around the world.

http://www.nyas.org/.../organizers.asp

We do not re-publish articles published first elsewhere.

He then tries to rebut that paper ("Ketosis leads to increased methylglyoxal production on the Atkins diet.") with a paper that didn't even measure methylglyoxal.

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Posted 19 July 2008 - 03:16 PM

Each Annals volume contains edited, reviewed papers based on presentations made at symposia, conferences, and workshops held around the world.


What does "reviewed" mean? How close is it to "peer reviewed"?

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Posted 19 July 2008 - 06:49 PM

According to the life extension foundation, at least a high level of dietary AGEs are a problem, as below.

The most significant cited studies that indicate this, would be:
1. Vlassara H et al. Inflammatory mediators are induced by dietary glycotoxins, a major risk factor for diabetic angiopathy. Proc Natl Acad Sci U S A 2002 Nov 26;99(24):15596-601.
2. Schmidt AM, et al. The multiligand receptor RAGE as a progression factor amplifying immune and inflammatory responses. J Clin Invest 108,949-955(2001).

And it makes sense, glycated stuff will mount inflammatory responses and trigger RAGE
receptors, among other things. But it's enough to avoid highly AGE contaminated food
such as broiled meat and any other highly heated food, avoiding any amount of AGE is infeasible.

"Eating Food Cooked At High Temperature Accelerates Aging" http://www.lef.org/m...03_awsi_01.html

Feeding foods rich in glycotoxins to diabetics

The presence of glycotoxins in the blood of individuals with diabetes has been known for quite some time.15 To ascertain reasons for this, a group of diabetics were studied to assess the difference between consuming a diet high in glycotoxins compared to diet low in glycotoxins. The high glycotoxin diet was induced by heating food for a longer period at higher temperatures compared to the lower glycotoxin diet. Using a variety of foods, the scientists were able to increase the glycotoxin content five-fold by cooking the food at high temperatures.

After only two weeks, diabetics on the high glycotoxin diet showed a 50% to 100% increase of glycotoxins in their blood and urine compared to the group consuming the low glycotoxin diet. The group eating the high glycotoxin food also showed increased levels of inflammatory blood markers such C-reactive protein and pro-inflammatory cytokines such as tumor necrosis factor alpha.
In order to determine whether these significant changes were merely an acute response to an altered diet, the scientists carried out a second study that lasted for six weeks. Again, those consuming a diet high in glycotoxins had higher concentrations of glycotoxins in their bodies, along with increased inflammatory cytokines in their blood.
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Small changes in cooking methods and diet can slow aging

Researchers at the Department of Geriatrics, Mount Sinai School of Medicine have determined that A.G.E.'s or glycotoxins are found in foods that are overheated or cooked at very high temperatures. This includes foods that have been fried, barbecued, broiled or cooked in the microwave. While the worst culprits are animal products, since they contain a higher amount of "bad" fats that speed up the formation of glycotoxins, any food that is exposed to extreme high heat can scorch the natural sugars in food and create glycotoxins. This also true of many pre-packed foods that have been preserved, pasteurized, homogenized or refined, such as white flour, cake mixes, dried milk, dried eggs, dairy products including pasteurized milk, and canned or frozen pre-cooked meals.

While it may be impossible to totally avoid gycotoxins, it is possible to reduce exposure by changing the way food is prepared. Consider steaming, boiling, poaching, stewing, stir-frying or using a slow cooker. These methods not only cook foods with a lower amount of heat, they create more moisture during the cooking process. According to Dr. Helen Vlassara*, the study's lead researcher, water or moisture can help delay the reactions that lead to glycotoxins. Marinating foods in olive oil, cider vinegar, garlic, mustard, lemon juice and dry wines can also help. Finally, consider making small diet changes by adding more fresh fruits and raw and steamed vegetables to your diet.

* Vlassara H et al. Inflammatory mediators are induced by dietary glycotoxins, a major risk factor for diabetic angiopathy. Proc Natl Acad Sci U S A 2002 Nov 26;99(24):15596-601.

The researchers also found that eating diets low in glycotoxins reduced the level of other potentially harmful substances in the blood, including LDL cholesterol ("bad cholesterol"). During the two-week, low-glycotoxin diet, diabetics had lower LDL levels than those on a high-glycotoxin diet. A six-week, low-glycotoxin diet caused a 33% reduction of LDL, while a high-glycotoxin diet increased LDL by 32%.



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Posted 19 July 2008 - 09:45 PM

Each Annals volume contains edited, reviewed papers based on presentations made at symposia, conferences, and workshops held around the world.


What does "reviewed" mean? How close is it to "peer reviewed"?

Look further down the page.

The Annals welcomes proposals to publish proceedings from scientific conferences, particularly those in leading-edge interdisciplinary areas related to biomedical sciences (Proposal Guidelines). If the topic of the meeting and the proposal materials are deemed appropriate for possible publication in the Annals, the proposal will be sent out for peer review.






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