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#1 nancy_axel

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Posted 22 July 2008 - 03:12 AM


Hey Guys, Podiatry chick trying too keep sane with tests, could appreciate any help :)
When did you notice the effects of Pramiracetam?
Did these effects become more significant with time? (indicate time span/dose)
What were the effects?
Any choline or stacked with anything?


So far, just off of 500 mg/day (I'm 170 & 6') fairly thin chick .. huge improvement in organizing task and being on the ball. I feel kind of like a professional? Clarity .. for once. Anyone else?

Edited by nancy_axel, 22 July 2008 - 03:22 AM.


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Posted 22 July 2008 - 03:42 AM

...[sic] (I'm 170 & 6') fairly thin chick .. huge improvement in organizing task and being on the ball. I feel kind of like a professional? Clarity .. for once. Anyone else?


170 is thin?

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Posted 22 July 2008 - 03:48 AM

...[sic] (I'm 170 & 6') fairly thin chick .. huge improvement in organizing task and being on the ball. I feel kind of like a professional? Clarity .. for once. Anyone else?


170 is thin?


for a 6 foot type with some muscle. don't hate sweetheart :)


Let me add that I have an extreme case of PI-ADDisorder.

Edited by nancy_axel, 22 July 2008 - 04:26 AM.


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Posted 22 July 2008 - 06:50 AM

pycnogenol seems to be helpfull : http://www.addadhdbl...genol-for-adhd/

also vitamin B6, gingseng and gingko biloba can help. All seem to help bloodflow in frontal cortex.

If add u should absolutely try to go low-carb this can be extremely effective.

#5 nancy_axel

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Posted 22 July 2008 - 12:39 PM

Hey Guys, Podiatry chick trying too keep sane with tests, could appreciate any help :)
When did you notice the effects of Pramiracetam?
Did these effects become more significant with time? (indicate time span/dose)
What were the effects?
Any choline or stacked with anything?


So far, just off of 500 mg/day (I'm 170 & 6') fairly thin chick .. huge improvement in organizing task and being on the ball. I feel kind of like a professional? Clarity .. for once. Anyone else?



How long before you feel the effects of added sharpness, etc. Is it dose-dependant (ie. the more you take, the more the effect up to a point).

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Posted 22 July 2008 - 01:01 PM

...[sic] (I'm 170 & 6') fairly thin chick .. huge improvement in organizing task and being on the ball. I feel kind of like a professional? Clarity .. for once. Anyone else?


170 is thin?


for a 6 foot type with some muscle. don't hate sweetheart :)


Let me add that I have an extreme case of PI-ADDisorder.


Forgive me if you found my post offensive. I aint hatin' on you!

I was going to recommend losing that extra weight through cardiovascular exercise. You can take as many nootropics as you want but you should look at them as additions to an already healthy lifestyle. In other words if your fitness is lacking then improving that will give you a noticeable improvement in sharpness, mental clarity, etc, as it did for me.

I am 6'1 I have a lot of muscle and I weigh 157 also my bones are probably heavier than yours, so it is hard for me to imagine you being anything less than overweight.

Edited by Ben - Aus, 22 July 2008 - 01:12 PM.


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Posted 22 July 2008 - 03:36 PM

I am 6'1 I have a lot of muscle and I weigh 157 also my bones are probably heavier than yours, so it is hard for me to imagine you being anything less than overweight.


By the "Aus" in your name I'm guessing you're in Australia, while Nancy is most likely in the US.

Maybe Nancy was using pounds, and you're using kilograms? 157 pounds seems much too light for a 6'1" male weightlifter; I'm exactly the same height, and no longer significantly overweight, and I'm lucky if I can get my weight below 190 pounds without losing significant amounts of muscle.

Edited by resveratrol, 22 July 2008 - 03:38 PM.


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Posted 22 July 2008 - 07:13 PM

I am 6'1 I have a lot of muscle and I weigh 157 also my bones are probably heavier than yours, so it is hard for me to imagine you being anything less than overweight.


By the "Aus" in your name I'm guessing you're in Australia, while Nancy is most likely in the US.

Maybe Nancy was using pounds, and you're using kilograms? 157 pounds seems much too light for a 6'1" male weightlifter; I'm exactly the same height, and no longer significantly overweight, and I'm lucky if I can get my weight below 190 pounds without losing significant amounts of muscle.



Haha .. 157 , 6' 1'' and all muscle huh? how about the 10'' underarmor :) .. i'll pretend you said something else and let's not make this forum a forum about how i need to lose a little weight. its in the right places and honestly, i'm incredibly lucky .. except for the adhd ..

thanks for the concern there hun :~

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Posted 23 July 2008 - 01:20 AM

IBW range for a 72" female is 144-176#, with a midpoint/medium frame of 160#. Greater amounts of lean body mass could put her at the large frame range. I think 170# is reasonable for a healthy, fit female that does resistance training. A male's midpoint is 178# at this height, which is 18# more than a females. 157# is low. Your IBW range is 166-202# You'd be 9# below IBW range of a small framed male. Let's put some things in perspective here.

She's not 5'3".

Now for people that can answer the question...do so. Unfortunately, I've only used the plain 'ol piracetam, so I can not comment here.

Edited by neogenic, 23 July 2008 - 01:21 AM.


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Posted 23 July 2008 - 01:59 AM

I am 6'1 I have a lot of muscle and I weigh 157 also my bones are probably heavier than yours, so it is hard for me to imagine you being anything less than overweight.


By the "Aus" in your name I'm guessing you're in Australia, while Nancy is most likely in the US.

Maybe Nancy was using pounds, and you're using kilograms? 157 pounds seems much too light for a 6'1" male weightlifter; I'm exactly the same height, and no longer significantly overweight, and I'm lucky if I can get my weight below 190 pounds without losing significant amounts of muscle.


No no, google has an excellent converter. Let's see 190 lbs is, according to google... ok. I was 190 lbs around two years ago. I remember at that stage how much excess fat I had on my frame. Once I increased my cardio and started eating healthily my weight dropped to the level it is currently at.

My question to you, res, is: Why do you need that excess fat?

Edited by Ben - Aus, 23 July 2008 - 02:02 AM.


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Posted 23 July 2008 - 02:23 AM

My question to you, res, is: Why do you need that excess fat?


Helps the bottom of the squat and bench.

Dude, 157 at 6'1" is just skinny, not lean.

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Posted 23 July 2008 - 08:38 AM

My question to you, res, is: Why do you need that excess fat?


Helps the bottom of the squat and bench.

Dude, 157 at 6'1" is just skinny, not lean.


No no, it's lean. I am quite muscular, I don't want to get into a whole thing here though. Perhaps we have differing definitions of what is fat, lean and muscular. Maybe it's a cultural difference that is confusing the issue as well.

"Helps the bottom of the squat and bench." are you being serious? Is that really your argument to support excess fat?

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Posted 23 July 2008 - 12:39 PM

"Helps the bottom of the squat and bench." are you being serious? Is that really your argument to support excess fat?


Certainly, if that's your thing. And, it's not really "excess" if it serves a purpose. I can justify athletes putting on fat much more readily than your standard glutton.

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Posted 23 July 2008 - 04:16 PM

My question to you, res, is: Why do you need that excess fat?


Helps the bottom of the squat and bench.

Dude, 157 at 6'1" is just skinny, not lean.


When I was a professional athlete, I wasn't overly muscular, but my bodyfat was extremely low and I was borderline aenemic. I'm 6'3" and at my lightest, at 18, I was 180 pounds. So I'd say you were pretty darn lean.

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Posted 23 July 2008 - 06:28 PM

I am 6'1 I have a lot of muscle and I weigh 157 also my bones are probably heavier than yours, so it is hard for me to imagine you being anything less than overweight.


By the "Aus" in your name I'm guessing you're in Australia, while Nancy is most likely in the US.

Maybe Nancy was using pounds, and you're using kilograms? 157 pounds seems much too light for a 6'1" male weightlifter; I'm exactly the same height, and no longer significantly overweight, and I'm lucky if I can get my weight below 190 pounds without losing significant amounts of muscle.



Haha .. 157 , 6' 1'' and all muscle huh? how about the 10'' underarmor :p .. i'll pretend you said something else and let's not make this forum a forum about how i need to lose a little weight. its in the right places and honestly, i'm incredibly lucky .. except for the adhd ..

thanks for the concern there hun :~


There's nothing more attractive to me than a woman comfortable with her own body; however flawed (as everybody's body is; from Mr. Olympia right on down) they might or might not be.... Way too many bad experiences with lettuce leaf eating head-cases who are convinced being 105lbs at 5'11 is obese; so all power to you! :p

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Posted 24 July 2008 - 02:26 AM

There's nothing more attractive to me than a woman comfortable with her own body; however flawed (as everybody's body is; from Mr. Olympia right on down) they might or might not be.... Way too many bad experiences with lettuce leaf eating head-cases who are convinced being 105lbs at 5'11 is obese; so all power to you! :~


You like fattys huh? Well all the best to you! :p

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Posted 24 July 2008 - 06:07 AM

There's nothing more attractive to me than a woman comfortable with her own body; however flawed (as everybody's body is; from Mr. Olympia right on down) they might or might not be.... Way too many bad experiences with lettuce leaf eating head-cases who are convinced being 105lbs at 5'11 is obese; so all power to you! :p


You like fattys huh? Well all the best to you! :p



Yes I do as it happens. And you should be happy that there's such a wide variety of appealing body types, stringbean. :~

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Posted 25 July 2008 - 07:16 PM

I'm not noticing much on pram, seemed like a waste of money unless stacked with other things. i've found hydergine and piracetam to be a far more effective (and 10 times less expensive) combo ..

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Posted 25 July 2008 - 07:24 PM

In your first post you seemed to like it. Does it seem to be something to use acutely but loses its effect chronically?

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Posted 25 July 2008 - 08:47 PM

I have used a few times, with cdp choline and a-gpc and different doses. At first i tried 300mg since its supposed to be effective at such low dosages, but i didnt feel anything, so i took some more, from that day all i could feel was a very relaxed and content feeling, it was good, the same thing the day after.
So i thought to my self that if i dont have that many opportunities then why not try a monster dose? So i took 1.2grams of pramiracetam, 600mg a-gpc, 500mg cdp choline, 600mg ashwagandha and 1.2grams of bacopa... I wrote about it in another thread, all i can say is that i was affected strongly, but it wasnt what i was expecting at all, it was first afterwards that i realized that i was super stimulated. I was really argumentative and i could focus well while talking, but i wasnt really hyper active at all, i was actually quite tired, i went to the gym that day and i took it really easy, but i had energy for two hours. That night i couldnt fall asleep until 2 or 3 am, i had a good nights sleep and the day after i think i was still stimulated, i rode my bike for one hour in a good tempo and was active at home, i wanted to do stuff.

So this stuff works, but it doesnt affect me like piracetam does, piracetam makes me hyper, so tomorrow, for you all, and for me, i going to take last dose of pramiracetam and some piracetam with cdp choline and alpha gpc, perhaps some bacopa and ashwagandha too, ill report the effects.

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Posted 26 July 2008 - 10:14 PM

I am 6'1 I have a lot of muscle and I weigh 157 also my bones are probably heavier than yours, so it is hard for me to imagine you being anything less than overweight.



LOL. I don't know who's farther out in left field, you or her.

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Posted 27 July 2008 - 04:29 AM

I am 6'1 I have a lot of muscle and I weigh 157 also my bones are probably heavier than yours, so it is hard for me to imagine you being anything less than overweight.



LOL. I don't know who's farther out in left field, you or her.


Can you explain that post in greater detail? Why am I in left field? I think you seem to be missing the point here. Perhaps I'm not explaining myself properly.

EDIT: Ok I'll try to here before there are any more non-posts like luv2increase's. What I am trying to say is that these chemicals should only be considered once you feel your cardiovascular system is at its best. Making sure that your blood flows efficiently to and around your brain is a more important goal than finding out experiences and information on nootropic compounds (and creating 1 bijillion+ posts to get that info). And so I implied that this should be done through greater exercise after deciding that this would be of benefit when I read some of the vital stats the OP gave. Now enough with the silly baseball metaphors.

Edited by Ben - Aus, 27 July 2008 - 04:40 AM.


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Posted 27 July 2008 - 09:55 AM

I have used a few times, with cdp choline and a-gpc and different doses. At first i tried 300mg since its supposed to be effective at such low dosages, but i didnt feel anything, so i took some more, from that day all i could feel was a very relaxed and content feeling, it was good, the same thing the day after.
So i thought to my self that if i dont have that many opportunities then why not try a monster dose? So i took 1.2grams of pramiracetam, 600mg a-gpc, 500mg cdp choline, 600mg ashwagandha and 1.2grams of bacopa... I wrote about it in another thread, all i can say is that i was affected strongly, but it wasnt what i was expecting at all, it was first afterwards that i realized that i was super stimulated. I was really argumentative and i could focus well while talking, but i wasnt really hyper active at all, i was actually quite tired, i went to the gym that day and i took it really easy, but i had energy for two hours. That night i couldnt fall asleep until 2 or 3 am, i had a good nights sleep and the day after i think i was still stimulated, i rode my bike for one hour in a good tempo and was active at home, i wanted to do stuff.

So this stuff works, but it doesnt affect me like piracetam does, piracetam makes me hyper, so tomorrow, for you all, and for me, i going to take last dose of pramiracetam and some piracetam with cdp choline and alpha gpc, perhaps some bacopa and ashwagandha too, ill report the effects.

You guy talk to much...
So yesterday i took 600mg pramiracetam, ~2 grams of piracetam, 250mg cdp choline, 300mg a-gpc and about 300mg of ashwagandha, i felt _nothing_.

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Posted 30 July 2008 - 05:26 AM

No no, google has an excellent converter. Let's see 190 lbs is, according to google... ok. I was 190 lbs around two years ago. I remember at that stage how much excess fat I had on my frame. Once I increased my cardio and started eating healthily my weight dropped to the level it is currently at.

My question to you, res, is: Why do you need that excess fat?


I don't. It's all muscle. I was trying to clarify the possible confusion; I'm kind of astonished that you'd respond with an entirely uncalled-for personal attack against someone who was just trying to clarify something in this thread.

If all you're going to do is come on here and post about how fat everybody else is, then you're just being an ass and I encourage you to find a more productive use of your time.

Edited by resveratrol, 30 July 2008 - 05:29 AM.


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Posted 30 July 2008 - 10:40 AM

So yesterday i took 600mg pramiracetam, ~2 grams of piracetam, 250mg cdp choline, 300mg a-gpc and about 300mg of ashwagandha, i felt _nothing_.


You may need to attack dose the pira.

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Posted 06 August 2008 - 04:43 PM

I personally feel Pramiracetam isn't exactly worth the high prices. Taking a lot of Piracetam give almost identical results. It really depends on how much money $ you have. Then also, Piracetam is much better studied and there are no long term studies on Pramiracetam

I'm not noticing much on pram, seemed like a waste of money unless stacked with other things. i've found hydergine and piracetam to be a far more effective (and 10 times less expensive) combo ..



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Posted 06 August 2008 - 07:24 PM

vit B6 gingsen and gingko combination works direct for something like 4 hours

really try to go low carb. The effect kicks in after a few hours

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Posted 20 August 2008 - 12:34 PM

5'6" 185 and 5% bodyfat here.....(for the skinny little man with no muscle :) )

I'm going to give Pram a try next week. I have been taking 700mg piracetam with 200mg of aniracetam and 600mg GPC choline twice per day. I'm doing pretty well with this. My plan is to induce 300mg X 2/day Pram and see if there is any difference. Then increase accordingly. I've been on this regimine for a couple of months so I have a base to compare to.

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Posted 20 August 2008 - 04:54 PM

Clinical pharmacokinetics of drugs for Alzheimer's disease.
Parnetti L.Section of Gerontology and Geriatrics, Perugia University, Italy.

Pharmacological treatment of patients with Alzheimer's disease is becoming more important, as evidenced by the number of drugs being developed in different countries. It has been shown in the majority of clinical trials that cholinesterase inhibitors, such as tacrine (tetrahydroaminoacridine), are able to induce beneficial effects in cognition and memory. Tacrine, like most of the other oral antidementia agents, is rapidly absorbed from the gastrointestinal tract. It is excreted mainly through the kidney, with a terminal elimination half-life of about 3 hours. Tacrine has nonlinear pharmacokinetics and there are large interindividual differences in pharmacokinetic parameters after oral, intravenous and rectal administration. A positive relationship between cognitive changes and plasma tacrine concentrations has been recently described. Similarly, velnacrine exhibits evidence of nonlinearity in some pharmacokinetic parameters, but renal excretion is a minor route of elimination for this drug. Pharmacokinetic data pertaining to eptastigmine, a third cholinesterase inhibitor, is more limited. However, the drug is rapidly distributed to the tissues after oral administration and readily enters the central nervous system, where it can be expected to effectively inhibit acetylcholinesterase in the brain for a prolonged period. Pharmacokinetic data for the nootropic agents are more limited. However, of the 3 agents reviewed only pramiracetam penetrates the central nervous system (CNS) poorly. Indeed, oxiracetam crosses the blood-brain barrier and persists for longer in the CNS than in the serum. Selegiline (deprenyl), a neuroprotective agent, is readily absorbed from gastrointestinal tract. It is metabolised mainly in the liver, and to a minimal extent in the lung or kidneys. The steady-state concentrations of metabolites in the cerebrospinal fluid (CSF) and serum are very similar, reflecting their easy penetration into the CNS. Idebenone, another neuroprotective agent, likewise is rapidly absorbed and achieves peak concentrations in the brain comparable to those in plasma. Similarly, CSF concentrations of metabolites of ST 200 (acetyl-L-carnitine) parallel those in plasma, suggesting that they easily cross the blood-brain-barrier. Gangliosides (GM1) can be given intramuscularly or subcutaneously, but the latter route of administration provides a concentration 50% higher both in the serum and the ganglioside fraction. However, because of its longer elimination, the intramuscular route is the best form of administration when the brain is the target organ for the treatment. Absorption of nimodipine is quite rapid. The pharmacokinetics of nimodipine during multiple-dose treatment have not been studied extensively; however, the drug does not appear to accumulate during repeated administration of standard doses.(ABSTRACT TRUNCATED AT 400 WORDS)

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