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[Matt]

After so many years I have these horrible acne scars.... they are like little red flat marks, and some mirrors obviously show them really bad, and some I can't really see them... It really depends on lighting and stuff, with camera flash on a digital camera showing every imperfection possible. I have really smooth skin and hardly any breakouts at all since eating a healthy diet, but I wish my doctor said that diet makes a different in acne BEFORE getting these scars. Sure they have faded over the past 5 years, but since it has been about that long now it doesn't seem likely that they're going to go without doing something about it other than just wait.

So has Juvess got anything in there that could possibly help heal my skin? I've read on acne.org about copper peptides but the results are mixed, some are saying their skin become worse until it got better. I've already been through the peels back in high school and my face was RED for half a year! That was quite embarrising. I've looked into laser therapy but doesn't this also make your face appear red for a quite a while?

My skin is really smooth... just hope I can somehow get back to how my skin was pre acne days.

Edited by Matt, 22 July 2008 - 05:15 PM.

[Eva Victoria]

After so many years I have these horrible acne scars.... they are like little red flat marks, and some mirrors obviously show them really bad, and some I can't really see them... It really depends on lighting and stuff, with camera flash on a digital camera showing every imperfection possible. I have really smooth skin and hardly any breakouts at all since eating a healthy diet, but I wish my doctor said that diet makes a different in acne BEFORE getting these scars. Sure they have faded over the past 5 years, but since it has been about that long now it doesn't seem likely that they're going to go without doing something about it other than just wait.

So has Juvess got anything in there that could possibly help heal my skin? I've read on acne.org about copper peptides but the results are mixed, some are saying their skin become worse until it got better. I've already been through the peels back in high school and my face was RED for half a year! That was quite embarrising. I've looked into laser therapy but doesn't this also make your face appear red for a quite a while?

My skin is really smooth... just hope I can somehow get back to how my skin was pre acne days.

What would do wonders is to apply MdFormulation Glycolic acid lotion (Facial lotion) with 12% GA and have 4 GA peels (at the derm's office with 70% GA every other week). Treatment time is totally 8 weeks with very little rredness and peeling and wit excellent results on acne-scars. You could start in the autumn when the sunrays are much weaker.

Another alternative is to use Kojic acid (4%) alone or mixed with Vit-C (15%) + 15% Azaleic Acid. This type of treatment produces good results that will take longer time to achieve and with some irritation in the beginning. You'll need some anti-inflamatory substance to use in the same time (like Bepanthol/Bepanthen from Bayer or Cortisone 0,1% creme).
This treatment can be combined with Tretinoin 0,05 % in the evening. Tretinoin alone did not show good results in the treatment of acne-scars, only in combination with either GA or Kojic acid/Azaleic acid.

Sunscreen with Tinosorb S+M or Mexoryl Xl+SX or TiO2+ZnO is a must every day!

[Johan]

Another option would be to use a concealer. Doesn't remove the scars, but at least it covers them up.

Edited by Johan, 27 July 2008 - 01:21 PM.

[Matt]

So I have only applied Juvess twice now and already I can feel that my skin is incredibly soft and smooth, I thought it was before but this is amazing Hope to see some positive changes over the next few months, I'll let you know how it goes. I also took some close up pics too and will compare.

Edited by Matt, 01 August 2008 - 04:05 AM.

[Matt]

Just a quick update... I've noticed that my complexion is much better and more even all around the face, the redness/hyperpigmentation seems to be less visible, I think the skin pores seem smaller/tighter too. Skin feels very soft and very smooth. What I'll do is once I reach 1 month I'll post my week by week photographs, they're all high res and taken from the front and each side, this will hopefully show that Juvess can help with post acne skin problems.

[Ben]

Just a quick update... I've noticed that my complexion is much better and more even all around the face, the redness/hyperpigmentation seems to be less visible, I think the skin pores seem smaller/tighter too. Skin feels very soft and very smooth. What I'll do is once I reach 1 month I'll post my week by week photographs, they're all high res and taken from the front and each side, this will hopefully show that Juvess can help with post acne skin problems.

I'm looking forward to that. Please do post them.

[Matt]

Since I'm using this to primarily repair the damage already done, it's probably a good idea to prevent any further breakouts. Would something like Clearasil for sensitive skin be an OK wash to use before applying this Juvess? Hope someone can give me a fast reply because I'm off shopping in a couple hours. The most common type of spots I seem to be prone to is those whiteheads (comedones).

Edited by Matt, 05 August 2008 - 06:32 PM.

[Ben]

With comedones anything that strips the skin of keratin is good. Use something with salicylic acid.

I believe the Clearasil wash has it as its main ingredient but check the label. If you use it in the shower it will leave you very dry. Make sure you use your moisturiser as soon as you step out.

[spacetime]

I wouldn't use Clearasil as I feel it leaves the skin too dry or at least that was my prior experience. Use a non comedogenic cleaner. I've found that Cerave's cleaner is decent but tends to burn a little bit. Alpha-hydrox is better for oily skin or to remove sunscreen and seems less irritating. Both are good non comedogenic cleansers at very reasonable prices, IMO.

I'd be interested to see what your current skin care regimen consists of as well as any photos you will be posting.

[Ben]

I wouldn't use Clearasil as I feel it leaves the skin too dry or at least that was my prior experience. Use a non comedogenic cleaner. I've found that Cerave's cleaner is decent but tends to burn a little bit. Alpha-hydrox is better for oily skin or to remove sunscreen and seems less irritating. Both are good non comedogenic cleansers at very reasonable prices, IMO.

I'd be interested to see what your current skin care regimen consists of as well as any photos you will be posting.

Just a plain cleanser will do little to prevent breakouts. Yes the skin becomes dry, but if you apply a moisturiser right after using the product then there shouldn't be any problem.

[Matt]

I found this article, so started just to rub and apply tea bags to break out prone places on the face... Over at acne.org they have a review system and green tea is almost universally accepted over there are having positive effects on breakouts. I think applying the green tea before the Juvess is good. So I'll try use the tea bag method twice a day, and Juvess apply once a day.

This is an interesting article

http://ezinearticles...-...y&id=486985

"“According to the findings reported to the American Academy of Dermatology by dermatologist Dr. Gan-Wong, when compounded into a cream with a content of 3% green tea extract, acne treatment results were comparable to using a topical solution containing 4% benzoyl peroxide, a common treatment for acne."

"The EGCG in green tea has been shown to rejuvenate dying skin cells and this provides many benefits for the skin. The person who researched this health benefit of green tea is Dr Hsu and he had the following to say on the Medical College of Georgia website, ‘“When exposed to EGCG the old cells found in the upper layers of the epidermis appear to start dividing again,” Dr Hsu said, “They make DNA and produce more energy. They are reactivated. There are lots of unknowns – this is the first step into the door – but if we can energize dying skin cells, we can probably improve the skin condition”’

[Mia K.]

Matt,

This is probably too late for your shopping trip, but I thought I'd post it anyway.

I just finished reading _The Clear Skin Diet_ by Logan and Treloar (Cumberland House, 2007). On p.18 the authors discuss cleansers:

...it is worth spending a moment on the practice of daily washing acne-prone skin. When it comes to cleansing acne-prone skin, the questions of how to wash, when to wash, how often to wash, and what to wash with have always been a matter of debate. Most of this debate has occurred outside the arena of scientific investigation; only a few studies have actually examined the practice of washing, and there really hasn't been quality research to guide patients. Dermatologists have traditionally warned against overwashing so as not to agggravate the follicles down below the pore. Harvard researchers recently examined the effect of different washing frequency on the course of acne. Writing in the journal Pediatric Dermatology (2006), they reported that twice-daily wasing with a mild facial cleanser (e.g. Neutrogena Fresh Foaming Cleanser) offered the greatest benefit. Specifically, Dr. Alexa Kimball and colleagues found that washing twice daily with the mild cleanser provided satisfactory results with the most improvements in open comedones and noninflammatory lesions. Washing only once per day was associated with a worsening of acne, while washing more than twice daily did not provide any additional benefit. Separate research published in the journal Cutis by Dr. Zoe Draelos showed that Cetaphil Cleanser for Normal to Oily Skin is gentle, well-tolerated, and beneficial in helping to clear up clogged pores. Many patients and dermatologists also report success with gentle cleansers from Dermalogica, a brand that includes natural botanicals, no artificial colors or fragrances.

I've used the Cetaphil N/O (not to be confused with the original Cetaphil for dry/sensitive skin) and like the way it cleanses and rinses, although the fragrance is a bit much for me. No experience with the Neutrogena. Like others here I like the Alpha Hydrox foaming cleanser as well as the newer soap free wash from their "White" line. CeraVe burns my skin, as emitecaps noted. Paula's Choice makes a couple of very nice cleansers that I'd recommend as well.

Hope this is of some help.
Mia

[Matt]

I've noticed something, and I think I read about it happening before to others...

I have just had something appear, like a previously hidden scar about 1.5 inches across for forehead. It's only very very slightly visible under certain lighting, but it just appeared after using Juvess for a week. Is this what could potentially happen, it bring out scars to the surface and then the collagen breaks down and normal collagen replaces it. Is this correct? Otherwise skin is looking much healthier.

Edited by Matt, 07 August 2008 - 11:44 PM.

[Matt]

Sorry to say but this journey has been a tough one lol. My first battles with spots come 2 days after I started using it and now over 2 weeks later I am having multiple breakouts all my face. Mostly whiteheads, and some red lumps under the skin. I feels like I'm 15 again lol. I researched a bit on the ingredients and most over at acne.org tend to be 'ok' with them, such as the jojoba oil, but a small minority find it breaks them out. Why have I always got to be so different from everyone else.

Positives - Skin is generally less red, better complexion, brigther glowing skin, waking up in the morning and skin looks nice for a change

Negatives - It seriously breaks me out in spots, however other people said they haven't seen a difference. I can feel the stinging pain of the spots and general discfort around the area of them.

After I apply the cream: When I apply it the skin is nice and non greasy, but after an hour the skin becomes very oily, like back in my teen days lol. I thought this was a non greasy and non moisturizer. Is this the cream or my skin deciding to produce excess sebum again?

I have an idea and that is to use the cream on one place on my face and see if I break out there, maybe the chin area. I could also experiment with using something like salicylic acid rather than just dove soap, which doesn't really get deep into the pores and remove excess dead skin and oil.

The only thing I've gotten away with over the years is Oil of olay which I believe just contains animal fat and few other things in there. Or maybe I could just go out and buy just copper peptides. Or am I doomed if I carry on using juvess?

Edited by Matt, 13 August 2008 - 03:31 PM.

[Athanasios]

I would discontinue use of Juvess, it may be too emollient for you. Even the 'Original' formula is somewhat moisturizing, just not as much as the one labeled 'moisturizing'. You can try the chin experiment but it might be better to find something that is not emollient or is for acne as well. Maybe a cream with Niacinamide or a low oil copper peptide treatment?

[Hoon]

Hi Matt,

I don't believe Juvess will help with you with your condition. Could you describe your scars in more detail? Are they raised or indented? Or are they discolored? If it is mainly discoloration you are talking about, perhaps it is hyperpigmentation and not scarring.

Like Eva said, you may want to look into using exfoliants and/or a retinoid. Retinoids (like tazarotene, tretinoin, adapalene, all prescription) may help improve very shallow scarring and minor pigmentation issues. Exfoliants (like salicylic acid, glycolic acid, non-prescription) used in conjunction with a retinoid might magnify the effect, but might be too irritating for your skin.

For pigmentation issues, perhaps an azelaic acid product like Finacea or Azelex (both prescription in the US, unsure about the UK) might also help.

For the retinoids and azelaic acid, you could easily purchase these online without a prescription like many others on this board do (at sights like alldaychemist. com or medsmex. com).

As for exfoliants (which may be of limited use by themselves as well), I like the ones in Paula Begoun's line, which can be found at paulschoice. com (both the glycolic and salicylic products are good and inexpensive).

As a last note, if it is a pigmentation issue, you might want to look into using a good sunscreen. (I'm sure there are many good European options available in the UK!)

Hope this was of some help!

[Matt]

Thanks for the advice. They're not true scars I don't think, just hyperpigmentation and red marks left over. I have very few if any raised or intented scars. Up close it looks it just looks so awful as they're everywhere.

[Hoon]

Oops, noticed some typos on my earlier post ("sights" instead of "sites," etc.) but one important one is:

For the exfoliants, go to paulaschoice. com not paulschoice.com

[Eva Victoria]

Thanks for the advice. They're not true scars I don't think, just hyperpigmentation and red marks left over. I have very few if any raised or intented scars. Up close it looks it just looks so awful as they're everywhere.

I found some papers you might be interested in about Hyper pigmentation and its treatment.

http://www.obagi.com..._april_2006.pdf

http://www.medscape....rticle/493946_6

http://cat.inist.fr/...&cpsidt=1602191

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[Tarzun]

Drugs, creams and typical acne cures sometimes work in a partial way but the results are temporary and the side effects are nasty. The tiny handful acne sufferers who have learned how to clear their acne from within and without ever using drugs or over the counters are the only people in the world who keep their skin clear permanently.

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[Matt]

I've added neutrogena gentle exfoliating face wash and use it at night time, after that I put on Aloe Vera gel and wash it off in the morning. It has completely halted any breakouts and really dimished any spots and redness that I've had over the last few weeks. Now I wonder if applying juvess in the morning or every other day might be worth it and then because I know my spots are under control I could easily just stop at the first sign of trouble like white heads or whatever. It was 2 weeks with juvess before I seen significant breakouts.

Thanks Chris for saying I should stay out of the sun with Aloe, luckily I never had much sun when I was using the product a few years back!

Edited by Matt, 25 August 2008 - 04:02 AM.

[Alexanderflemmi]

NATURAL TREATMENT



Fruit is one of the best acne treatments. Choose mango, pawpaw, grapefruit or a fruit that has lots of acid. You can apply the fruit directly to your skin or you can use it to make a mask by mashing it into a pulp. You can add oatmeal or egg yolk if you want. Apply it to the skin as a mask and leave for fifteen minutes.

Edited by cnorwood, 12 September 2008 - 07:18 PM.
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