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#31 brokenportal

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Posted 24 September 2009 - 02:44 AM

if i was the only human left and no animal would exist anymore i would first think of a solution to feed myself:) presuming that no plants are left either

then i would go on with my hobbies - i would have all libraries in the world- well sending me in a library is like sending an alcoholic in a wine shop:)
i would still build robots, i would drive all sorts of vehicles and i would swim all day!


Well, that sounds interesting, that would be a good start.

Anybody else? What would you all do if:

Hypothetically speaking, of course, if you were the only person on the planet, and there were no animals, and you didnt have to eat or sleep and you didnt have any sex drive, and you were to live forever, and you had all the tech and industrial resources available today, then what do you think your goals in life would be?



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Posted 24 September 2009 - 05:29 AM

I'd...... remind brokenportal that earth will probably explode one day unless we do something about it.. oh and the sun :D

Scary @@..

But the idea of creating life sounds nice ;) it could be through AI rather than biology.. then again, you have all the time to learn :)

I am a weird person.. I am alone most of the time anyways, if I will know I will live for ever I will be much more able to focus on doing things too.

Complete emptiness will definitely bother me a bit, but I know I will actually be much calmer as I know I won't die, so I will be able to get myself to learn how to create other people :p

Edited by Luna, 24 September 2009 - 05:32 AM.


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Posted 24 September 2009 - 03:07 PM

I imagine the feeling would be not too dissimilar to how I already feel when I am around large groups of people. Alienated, misunderstood and alone.

But I guess I wouldn't be misunderstood anymore since there would be no one around to misunderstand me.

Edited by TheFountain, 24 September 2009 - 03:08 PM.


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Posted 27 September 2009 - 09:34 PM

I'd...... remind brokenportal that earth will probably explode one day unless we do something about it.. oh and the sun :D

Scary @@..


Thats fine, plenty to do in the mean time, and plenty of time to see what we might be able to do about it.

But the idea of creating life sounds nice it could be through AI rather than biology.. then again, you have all the time to learn

I am a weird person.. I am alone most of the time anyways, if I will know I will live for ever I will be much more able to focus on doing things too.

Complete emptiness will definitely bother me a bit, but I know I will actually be much calmer as I know I won't die, so I will be able to get myself to learn how to create other people


Thats part of what I would do to, nice perspective. Also, its not the outside the box thinkers like us that are weird, its the inside the box thinkers. I wouldnt call them weird really I guess as much as I would call them tragic. But we are working on them, we are working on poking holes in there boxes. I think that most of them will be free soon.


I imagine the feeling would be not too dissimilar to how I already feel when I am around large groups of people. Alienated, misunderstood and alone.

But I guess I wouldn't be misunderstood anymore since there would be no one around to misunderstand me.



Right, part of the point of this thought experiment is to point out there is much much much much probably infinitely much more, and on grand scales with in each other thing, besides social interaction, yet that is what most people put most of their energy and thoughts in to. Dont worry about what other people think, the universe is your playground, and you could have it, if you would only want it enough to fight for it.

Edited by brokenportal, 27 September 2009 - 09:35 PM.


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Posted 27 September 2009 - 11:54 PM

Well, the waking moment of being the ONLY person will be hard for most and others within short time would fall to LONELINESS. There would be to many psychological effects that again the vast majority couldnt handle. Now, if this person could actually exist, I would definitely go to a the computer/machine mecca of L.A. and start figuring out computers and robots pretty damn quick. Then Id hack the 'life extension' network and figure out how not to go wack and keep myself alive until I can take the best space craft and go find some life in the cosmos.... But ultimately, i believe that depression and loneliness will be the last persons demise...

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Posted 28 September 2009 - 02:13 AM

Personally, that scenario sounds kind of miserable. No other people and no sex? What's the point of learning anything if you can't talk to someone about it? What's the point of technological advancement if you're the only one who benefits? I wouldn't kill myself. I'd probably have as much fun as I could. I'd try to learn everything there was on earth that'd keep me busy for a long time. Then I'd try to create other people using technology. I would want company. Life without other people seems miserable at worst and brain numbingly boring at best. Other people have their own insights, thoughts, unique personalities and so on. Seriously, life simply is not that same unless you have other people with whom to share it!

It seems to me that all motivation is fueled by brain chemicals telling us to avoid pain and seek pleasure. Without pleasure, you'd be left without any motivation to do anything. Maybe not doing anything is painful enough to force you to find something to do?

I think I might create AI and then create a type of matrix so that I can live in a computer world and do cool flips! The people would seem real. Or I could just engineer humans if I had the technology.

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Posted 02 October 2009 - 03:11 AM

I'd make friends with a volleyball and call him Wilson.

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Posted 02 October 2009 - 03:43 AM

I'd make friends with a volleyball and call him Wilson.

haha! :)

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Posted 04 October 2009 - 01:55 PM

Hypothetically speaking, of course, if you were the only person on the planet, and there were no animals, and you didnt have to eat or sleep and you didnt have any sex drive, and you were to live forever, and you had all the tech and industrial resources available today, then what do you think your goals in life would be?

I am going somewhere with this.









I posted the above topic at my blog and its been getting a lot of response so I thought Ide post it here and see what you all think.
http://blog.myspace....i...&indicate=1


1.) Research up on biology.
2.) Build new people (cloning at first).
3.) Resume normal life again.

Why? Because that's what I'm used to, lol.

Anyways, I forgot to get back to the point on this. The point is that most people think that chattering around and playing a little basket ball and raising some kids and working at a job for 50 years and then dying is a good full life. And we all like that stuff and its great and all, but that completly misses the big point of what it means to exist.

What we have here is an infinite mystery that we can hardly begin to fathom. There are megolithic mind blowing things that have been uncovered, and even more megolithic mind blowing things out there yet to be discovered on ever growing scales. To want to know those things is an even greater reason to want to live than the various things that people would commonly list as things that are interesting to live for.

I think people know this but are blinded to it by the pro aging trance. So I used this topic to try to coax it out of people. Even life extensionists are still subject to remnants of the pro aging trance, myself included.

Here is the list of things that it seems to me are over whelming miraculous gracious chances weve all been granted as reasons to want to live.

The big 8 reasons to want to live.


But then wouldn't we be alienating ourselves further away from the mainstream?

More importantly, the quest for knowledge is not an attractive pursuit for all human minds. Our goals in life are unique; and are determined by the physical and chemical structure of our brains (which are, in turn, determined by the process of evolution and our upbringing). Most humans consider life to be "preferable" to death in the same way a pot plant "prefers" life over death; we've just got more cells than them. Likewise, one could say that the enantiomers of d-methione "prefer" to be de-amylated with deoxy-phosphorylase than 1-hepta,oxy-phosphorylase. But at the end of the day, it just all boils down to physics.

Let's say that blue is life and red is death. When the feathers on a sparrow turn red, it is not considered to be "wrong" or contrary to the ideals of our philosophical systems. It's simply unrelated. The same goes for a dying pot plant. Of course, humans are group-structured animals so the same emotions don't apply towards the deaths of members of our own community; hence we tend to believe the latter has the more emotional weight than the former. Everything is under the control of physics; which is in turn under the control of the universal language of mathematics. Objectively speaking, when a human decides that his death is preferable over living, he is neither right nor wrong, nor should he be considered more cowardly or brave (albeit these are societal constructs too) than you and me. Rather, he simply "is".

Purpose is a societal construct just like beauty. Each person's definition of purpose differs from everyone else. There is no "universal purpose" that is common to everything. People tend to share similar goals due to their common evolutionary history (ie. having more knowledge than your peers and amassing material goods often leads to happiness) so perhaps it is possible to exploit this "vulnerability" in order to lead people to adopt viewpoints that are closer to your own goals in terms of philosophy, but even this is far from universal.

Art gives you an infinite amount of combinations to discover... especially since our brains will likely never be infinite, so we can re-discover some joys over and over. Whee. Get bored of this universe? Well people can create near infinite varieties to experience in VR.

This made me think of the joy of discovery, and how as we get older, we become somewhat jaded. We can sometimes catch a glimpse of the awe of childhood while tripping, as an example, but even that gets old pretty fast. What if we could erase our brains through some chemical (or other) process? It would be like starting out as a baby again. Kind of a big step, I know. You would first need to arrange for something like parents and schools. It would be great for people who suffer from bad programming, but it could also be fun for people who had "see it all". You could fall head over heels in love with Hannah Montana, or the girl next door, and it would be pure and real. Uncontaminated. Ideally you'd want to have the right body to go along with it.


If you erase your mind then the person that you were would immediately cease to exist.

It would be great for mentally retarded people though; since they could repeat their schooling and learn at their own pace without looking out of place. But then again, one could argue that they should be allowed to reach to their full potential as equals rather than regressed to even lower levels of functioning.

If I had all the tech and industrial resources available today, I'd either go into space or jump start a new civilization (make biorobots, or androids, AI, clones, etc).

But the scenario seems a bit unlikely. If I were immortal, then logically wouldn't I be in a world with far advanced technology (since you said "had all the tech and industrial resources available today"). tung.gif

I'D NEVER GIVE INTO DEATH!


I doubt anyone will want to live forever. The human mind is a dynamic, constantly changing thing. You might want to live forever today but how do you know you will want to live forever in 100 or 1,000 years? In the space of a few years, literally millions of thoughts will pass through your head. And all it takes is for one single suicidal thought to gain more influence over the others. Well, I guess you could re-engineer your brain to never express boredom or suicidal thoughts, but, in the long run, this would only be limiting your capabilities for free thought.

Edited by Condraz23, 04 October 2009 - 02:14 PM.


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Posted 07 October 2009 - 08:10 PM

Life without other people seems miserable at worst and brain numbingly boring at best.


Sure, if you let your physiology control you, and never work to transcend it. We are much more than our bodies. We have evolved in to souls, or characters, or whatever you might call them. In the past, being social so we could can help fulfill our desires of wanting to desperately bang every same species of the opposite sex that moves is what kept us alive.

However, now, if we want indefinite life extension, we have to transcend that. We have to continue to loosen the strength of those ties as we move on toward being driven for goals that will cause us to keep us alive in this new indefinite state of affairs that is beginning to burn in us.




1.) Research up on biology.
2.) Build new people (cloning at first).
3.) Resume normal life again.

Why? Because that's what I'm used to, lol.


Thats another part of the point, if we want indefinite life extension then we are going to have to keep expanding our visions of the future and what we want outside of our boxes. If we keep letting our physiology boxes control us, those boxes with those controls that tell us to spend most of our time socializing and mating, then we are going to remain severely limited, and probably not even have enough drive to sustain the momentum needed to reach escape velocity and head for the "edges" of existence.

Im not saying socializing is bad, what Im trying to say is that this is part of the current prevailing dominating state of the worlds collective minds, and that we need to dissolve that box and live in the universe, and not let societies define the boundaries of what it means to exist. Societies are just a part of that whole.

But then wouldn't we be alienating ourselves further away from the mainstream?



Do pioneers stop for reluctance to stray from the mainstream? Do leaders and visionaries hesitate because they dont want to stray from the mainstream? We arent alienating from it, we are all leading it. Not to mention, the mainstream is more like a scattering of rivers. We are embeding this mighty indefinity river straight down the center so that they can all pour in to it from their various states of streams from around the world.


More importantly, the quest for knowledge is not an attractive pursuit for all human minds. Our goals in life are unique; and are determined by the physical and chemical structure of our brains (which are, in turn, determined by the process of evolution and our upbringing). Most humans consider life to be "preferable" to death in the same way a pot plant "prefers" life over death; we've just got more cells than them. Likewise, one could say that the enantiomers of d-methione "prefer" to be de-amylated with deoxy-phosphorylase than 1-hepta,oxy-phosphorylase. But at the end of the day, it just all boils down to physics.


Thats fine, everybody doesnt have to want to know, but I think that if informed, every body can want to know. Those that do will have a much better chance of helping us make the battle for indefinity succeed. If people dont have something to fight for, they usually dont. I dont think anybody is going to fight as hard for indefinite life extension if they just want to run a resteraunt and play basketball and socialize at parties. I dont think anybody is going to see the utility in wanting to do that for 10,000 or even 1,000, or even 200 years. However, when we educate them, and paint the big picture for them, I think we can entice more to fight harder with us. If their physiologies and minds never tell them to want the big 8, or life extension, then so be it, but we have to at least give them a chance to see and want the big picture.

Let's say that blue is life and red is death. When the feathers on a sparrow turn red, it is not considered to be "wrong" or contrary to the ideals of our philosophical systems. It's simply unrelated. The same goes for a dying pot plant. Of course, humans are group-structured animals so the same emotions don't apply towards the deaths of members of our own community; hence we tend to believe the latter has the more emotional weight than the former. Everything is under the control of physics; which is in turn under the control of the universal language of mathematics. Objectively speaking, when a human decides that his death is preferable over living, he is neither right nor wrong, nor should he be considered more cowardly or brave (albeit these are societal constructs too) than you and me. Rather, he simply "is".


Once educated, I dont think we will find many of the aptitudes in the brains around the world turning from potential aptitudes, to wanting death. I mean, aptitude, when enabled, doesnt want death, just like a feather, when not bombarded with lipofuscin, or whatever, doesnt fall off. If, we find that some minds, when informed about the big picture, dont want it, then thats fine. I would be willing to bet my life that that is not the case for most people though.

Purpose is a societal construct just like beauty. Each person's definition of purpose differs from everyone else. There is no "universal purpose" that is common to everything. People tend to share similar goals due to their common evolutionary history (ie. having more knowledge than your peers and amassing material goods often leads to happiness) so perhaps it is possible to exploit this "vulnerability" in order to lead people to adopt viewpoints that are closer to your own goals in terms of philosophy, but even this is far from universal.


Its not really a "universal purpose", its more like, "everything you could ever possibly want". Its not a societal construct, it just "is." If we can unveil a direct view from the worlds eyes, to this big picture, I think it is going to create a tremendous boost in drive to make indefinite life extension happen in time for us all.

I doubt anyone will want to live forever. The human mind is a dynamic, constantly changing thing. You might want to live forever today but how do you know you will want to live forever in 100 or 1,000 years? In the space of a few years, literally millions of thoughts will pass through your head. And all it takes is for one single suicidal thought to gain more influence over the others. Well, I guess you could re-engineer your brain to never express boredom or suicidal thoughts, but, in the long run, this would only be limiting your capabilities for free thought.


We dont want to live forever, we want to live indefinitely. If somebody wanted to die, they could choose to make that happen at any given point.

Although, if we all set our coordinates for the big 8, I think we are going to have one hell of a greater ride to experience here in this bizzarre existence than we could ever have other wise, and that is what it is all about.

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Posted 20 October 2009 - 03:35 PM

Humans work best in social groups because that's how we evolved; through mutual cooperation and communication. A group of people who pool their resources and work together towards a specific endeavor are more likely to succeed than a fragmented group where it's members don't communicate well with each other. Not only does this increase the species' chances of survival but it also helps the offspring gain the necessary skills to survive in the group.

Another major reason why humans depend so much on other humans even after childhood is because although humans are weak animals, they use tools and strategic planning to perform tasks that transcends their physical capabilities. A tribe's hunting strategy necessitates the requirement for effective communication between its members, which must first be preceded by the forming of relationships between these members, hence the reason why people place so much importance on forming relationships with other people.

Another consequence of the society-centric view of human psychology is that the society that a person grows up in has a huge influence in a person's mind and behavior. Although not infallible, the things that we are taught during childhood and adolescence often leaves a lasting imprint in our perception of the world around us. Our society is currently configured in a way that promotes, as you say a life of playing basketball, raising kids, working for 50 years, retiring, and dying at 85. If this is what society promotes, then the people will follow.

(Perhaps an extreme example is the effect of nationalism, patriotism, and religious fundamentalism in people's minds. Many people would be perfectly happy at the idea of dying for "one's own country". In this case, the idea of dying for one's own country is romanticized and viewed as an act of bravery - something that we should all strive for, thereby overriding the natural biological desire to survive.)

"What we have here is an infinite mystery that we can hardly begin to fathom. There are megolithic mind blowing things that have been uncovered, and even more megolithic mind blowing things out there yet to be discovered on ever growing scales. To want to know those things is an even greater reason to want to live than the various things that people would commonly list as things that are interesting to live for."

Actually, many people do think that way. For example, scientists often choose to become scientists because they are interested in understanding reality and discovering how the world works. It's not for the money; since the level and amount of education doesn't really justify the income. But an entire society composed 100% of scientists and philosophers would be impractical; and it definitely wouldn't be in the interests of our species to promote such a society. We need people to mop the floors and deliver pizzas and an intellectual thirst for discovery would be unnecessary or even counterproductive to their role in society.

As an analogy, the 1600's were filled with various explorers who wanted to explore the world and colonize new lands. But most of the people couldn't care less about how the world looked like and opted to stay in their respective home country while taking care of their families. This was actually probably a good thing overall; since society would have crumbled if everyone left their home country looking for new places to discover. The human brain didn't really evolve for scientific discovery (it evolved for hunting and raising families primarily) and the discovery of complex science was more or less an "accident" (otherwise we'd all be Einsteins) so evolutionally speaking, those who opted to break away from the norm and dedicate their lives towards discovery weren't/aren't better off than those who lived a "normal" life socializing and going to parties.

Edited by Condraz23, 20 October 2009 - 03:42 PM.


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Posted 30 November 2009 - 12:35 AM

Life without other people seems miserable at worst and brain numbingly boring at best.


Sure, if you let your physiology control you, and never work to transcend it. We are much more than our bodies. We have evolved in to souls, or characters, or whatever you might call them. In the past, being social so we could can help fulfill our desires of wanting to desperately bang every same species of the opposite sex that moves is what kept us alive.

However, now, if we want indefinite life extension, we have to transcend that. We have to continue to loosen the strength of those ties as we move on toward being driven for goals that will cause us to keep us alive in this new indefinite state of affairs that is beginning to burn in us.




1.) Research up on biology.
2.) Build new people (cloning at first).
3.) Resume normal life again.

Why? Because that's what I'm used to, lol.


Thats another part of the point, if we want indefinite life extension then we are going to have to keep expanding our visions of the future and what we want outside of our boxes. If we keep letting our physiology boxes control us, those boxes with those controls that tell us to spend most of our time socializing and mating, then we are going to remain severely limited, and probably not even have enough drive to sustain the momentum needed to reach escape velocity and head for the "edges" of existence.

Im not saying socializing is bad, what Im trying to say is that this is part of the current prevailing dominating state of the worlds collective minds, and that we need to dissolve that box and live in the universe, and not let societies define the boundaries of what it means to exist. Societies are just a part of that whole.

But then wouldn't we be alienating ourselves further away from the mainstream?



Do pioneers stop for reluctance to stray from the mainstream? Do leaders and visionaries hesitate because they dont want to stray from the mainstream? We arent alienating from it, we are all leading it. Not to mention, the mainstream is more like a scattering of rivers. We are embeding this mighty indefinity river straight down the center so that they can all pour in to it from their various states of streams from around the world.


More importantly, the quest for knowledge is not an attractive pursuit for all human minds. Our goals in life are unique; and are determined by the physical and chemical structure of our brains (which are, in turn, determined by the process of evolution and our upbringing). Most humans consider life to be "preferable" to death in the same way a pot plant "prefers" life over death; we've just got more cells than them. Likewise, one could say that the enantiomers of d-methione "prefer" to be de-amylated with deoxy-phosphorylase than 1-hepta,oxy-phosphorylase. But at the end of the day, it just all boils down to physics.


Thats fine, everybody doesnt have to want to know, but I think that if informed, every body can want to know. Those that do will have a much better chance of helping us make the battle for indefinity succeed. If people dont have something to fight for, they usually dont. I dont think anybody is going to fight as hard for indefinite life extension if they just want to run a resteraunt and play basketball and socialize at parties. I dont think anybody is going to see the utility in wanting to do that for 10,000 or even 1,000, or even 200 years. However, when we educate them, and paint the big picture for them, I think we can entice more to fight harder with us. If their physiologies and minds never tell them to want the big 8, or life extension, then so be it, but we have to at least give them a chance to see and want the big picture.

Let's say that blue is life and red is death. When the feathers on a sparrow turn red, it is not considered to be "wrong" or contrary to the ideals of our philosophical systems. It's simply unrelated. The same goes for a dying pot plant. Of course, humans are group-structured animals so the same emotions don't apply towards the deaths of members of our own community; hence we tend to believe the latter has the more emotional weight than the former. Everything is under the control of physics; which is in turn under the control of the universal language of mathematics. Objectively speaking, when a human decides that his death is preferable over living, he is neither right nor wrong, nor should he be considered more cowardly or brave (albeit these are societal constructs too) than you and me. Rather, he simply "is".


Once educated, I dont think we will find many of the aptitudes in the brains around the world turning from potential aptitudes, to wanting death. I mean, aptitude, when enabled, doesnt want death, just like a feather, when not bombarded with lipofuscin, or whatever, doesnt fall off. If, we find that some minds, when informed about the big picture, dont want it, then thats fine. I would be willing to bet my life that that is not the case for most people though.

Purpose is a societal construct just like beauty. Each person's definition of purpose differs from everyone else. There is no "universal purpose" that is common to everything. People tend to share similar goals due to their common evolutionary history (ie. having more knowledge than your peers and amassing material goods often leads to happiness) so perhaps it is possible to exploit this "vulnerability" in order to lead people to adopt viewpoints that are closer to your own goals in terms of philosophy, but even this is far from universal.


Its not really a "universal purpose", its more like, "everything you could ever possibly want". Its not a societal construct, it just "is." If we can unveil a direct view from the worlds eyes, to this big picture, I think it is going to create a tremendous boost in drive to make indefinite life extension happen in time for us all.

I doubt anyone will want to live forever. The human mind is a dynamic, constantly changing thing. You might want to live forever today but how do you know you will want to live forever in 100 or 1,000 years? In the space of a few years, literally millions of thoughts will pass through your head. And all it takes is for one single suicidal thought to gain more influence over the others. Well, I guess you could re-engineer your brain to never express boredom or suicidal thoughts, but, in the long run, this would only be limiting your capabilities for free thought.


We dont want to live forever, we want to live indefinitely. If somebody wanted to die, they could choose to make that happen at any given point.

Although, if we all set our coordinates for the big 8, I think we are going to have one hell of a greater ride to experience here in this bizzarre existence than we could ever have other wise, and that is what it is all about.

"We dont want to live forever"
That´s not what I think. An immortal body has such a level of performance and happiness, than it´s impossible to imagine a moment for death (which is impossible by definition anyway)

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Posted 10 December 2009 - 12:00 AM

"We dont want to live forever"
That´s not what I think. An immortal body has such a level of performance and happiness, than it´s impossible to imagine a moment for death (which is impossible by definition anyway)


Right, but we want to live indefinitely, which has forever as an option. Well, actually, forever isnt really even an option, because no matter how long you live, you could still die the next day. Forever kind of fits, but it seems that indefinitely fits better.




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