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[revnik]

In my experience they don't stack up that well...
Side effects: headache, tiredness and sometimes lethargic feeling.
It only works for me when I take them both in low dosage (50mg MOD + 600mg PIR)

Any more experiences or possible explinations for this?
Shouldn't piracetam amplify modafinil's stimulating effect?

[hamishm00]

In my experience they don't stack up that well...
Side effects: headache, tiredness and sometimes lethargic feeling.
It only works for me when I take them both in low dosage (50mg MOD + 600mg PIR)

Any more experiences or possible explinations for this?
Shouldn't piracetam amplify modafinil's stimulating effect?

Noone knows, but it might do - in low dosages, or high dosages. Whatever works for you. Personally I think modafinil also has a bell efficacy curve, just like piracetam. Are you getting your choline in as well? What Choline supplement are you using?

Edited by hamishm00, 30 July 2008 - 09:32 AM.

[revnik]

Noone knows, but it might do - in low dosages, or high dosages. Whatever works for you. Personally I think modafinil also has a bell efficacy curve, just like piracetam. Are you getting your choline in as well? What Choline supplement are you using?

I'm mainly using alpha-GPC and on occasion DMAE. When I'm not on modafinil I tolerate piracetam way better.
I might try a higher choline intake in combination with modafinil (maybe MOD accelerates the choline uptake or something...) but I'm considering of replacing MOD with Selegiline (for the stimulating part of my regimen).

Edited by revnik, 30 July 2008 - 10:47 AM.

[hamishm00]

Noone knows, but it might do - in low dosages, or high dosages. Whatever works for you. Personally I think modafinil also has a bell efficacy curve, just like piracetam. Are you getting your choline in as well? What Choline supplement are you using?

I'm mainly using alpha-GPC and on occasion DMAE. When I'm not on modafinil I tolerate piracetam way better.
I might try a higher choline intake in combination with modafinil (maybe MOD accelerates the choline uptake or something...) but I'm considering of replacing MOD with Selegiline (for the stimulating part of my regimen).

I doubt you will find it as effective. If you want stimulation, I would cycle the modaf with the selegeline and take piracetam with the selegeline only. Use Alpha GPC throughout. DMAE I'm sitting on the fence with at the moment and I would take it only ocassionally like you.

Try a bit of Chocamine as well, that might get you out of your "hole".

[revnik]

Noone knows, but it might do - in low dosages, or high dosages. Whatever works for you. Personally I think modafinil also has a bell efficacy curve, just like piracetam. Are you getting your choline in as well? What Choline supplement are you using?

I'm mainly using alpha-GPC and on occasion DMAE. When I'm not on modafinil I tolerate piracetam way better.
I might try a higher choline intake in combination with modafinil (maybe MOD accelerates the choline uptake or something...) but I'm considering of replacing MOD with Selegiline (for the stimulating part of my regimen).

I doubt you will find it as effective. If you want stimulation, I would cycle the modaf with the selegeline and take piracetam with the selegeline only. Use Alpha GPC throughout. DMAE I'm sitting on the fence with at the moment and I would take it only ocassionally like you.

Try a bit of Chocamine as well, that might get you out of your "hole".

The MOD / DEP+PIR cycling is working out great! I would recommend it (with caution of course), thanks for the advice hamishm!

[Rags847]

The MOD / DEP+PIR cycling is working out great! I would recommend it (with caution of course), thanks for the advice hamishm!

I'd be interested, how do you schedule your cycling exactly (# of days on/off, etc)?

[revnik]

Basically it comes down to the folowing:

Day one:
take your usual piracetam dose + some selegiline (which will help with the motivation+allertness) + some choline when needed (i would suggest onlyl taking it when you feel like you need it) + choffee (when you feel like an extra boost)

Day two:
again PIR + selegiline (probably in lower dose than day one cause of the long half-life) + choline + coffee (both when you feel like it)

Day three/four:
repeat day two
OR take a break: no PIR, no SEL
you can take Modafinil on this day (the dose requierd will probably be lower than what you're used), so start of low and build up
+ choline/coffee when you feel like it

Day five: take another Modafinil-day or go back to the PIR+SEL combo (which is great) and start over

The exact dosages you should find out for you self, for me it's:

Piracetam: 600mg 2x/day (somethimes a third dose, i don't tolerate higher dose which would make me lethargic)
Selegiline: 2.5mg (firtst day), 1.25mg on second/third/... day
Choline: a-GPC usually only 150mg/day
Coffee: in the morning + afternoon (one cup)
Modafinil: 50-100mg once or twice a day

[revnik]

I would like to add the following:

the PIR+SEL days are great when you want to get intellectual-work done (studying, reading, ...)
the MOD days are great for when you just need to be focussed, alert and/or get physical work done.

[hamishm00]

I would like to add the following:

the PIR+SEL days are great when you want to get intellectual-work done (studying, reading, ...)
the MOD days are great for when you just need to be focussed, alert and/or get physical work done.

I agree with that. Modafinil is for grunt work as opposed to 'finesse' work.

[Pat Bateman]

^That's very interesting, subjectively is selegiline similar to say a low dose of d-amphetamine when administered concomitantly with piracetam? I have been contemplating getting some for a while now, going to law school and need a boost but I'm worried about the long term effects of adderall

[AOLministrator]

I think the racetams are good to quickly accomodate for changes in neurological configurations. Just took 700mg aniracetam and then only I really felt the Modafinil was doing something for me. But I am non-standard.