Posted 11 August 2008 - 08:08 PM
Here's the perspective i picked in another forum of a georgian living in Tbilisi (georgia's capital) right now:
I'm from Georgia. I want to clear some things up.
I'll start from the most urgent and incredible news: Russia has started full-scale Land operation against us, I mean outside the separatist regions(which they have occupied years before).
They already conquered 2 major towns in west and in east georgia, looks like they are going to occupy Georgia completely. What is more unbelievable is worlds response to this. I can't believe this happens now, here, in XXI century.
about Georgians killing 1400 Ossetins: this number is not verified, read cnn or bbc, it is written everywhere that it is only Russian opinion. Civilians fled Tskhinvali(region capital) days before the conflict, other probably went when conflict began, others were safe in basements. I'm not saying that there were no losses, but not only georgians are responsible fro that, when Georgians took control of the city, Russian bombers started heavy bombing and literally leveled it to earth. My friend told me that when he and other georgian soldeirs were escorting Ossetin civilians to safe place, russian bombers bombed them and just a few of the civilians and solders could survive. I can't believe that this happens today, here.
one more thing, georgians and ossetians, regular people, don't hate each other, there are many mixes villages and families. it's not like in israel or serbia. there was no ethnic cleansing of georgians here in 1993, and was no ethnic cleansing of ossetians now.
Who started that? my answer is Russia? why?
in January, NATO meeting, Georgia could not get MAP(Membershp Agreement Plan), because of Russain pressure over germany and some other countries. But they promised us that georgia would definetely become NATO member some day. In December there will be next NATO meeting, many thougt that we would get MAP at that meeting.
Russian had only one way to stop this: They had to start war against us. A country which is at war can't become nato member. and they also wanted to destroy our military bases and army, which we modernized to meet nato standards.
another reason for war: Europe currently gets its oil mostly from russia. that's why russian can press them. There is alternative oil pipeline which passes on georgia. current pipeline is small. it was planned that new, large pipelines would be built to transfer oil from azerbaijan, kazakhstan, turkmenistan and other assian countries. Russia had to stop this. if georgia becomes instable country, nobody will build new pipelines here.
this is so obvious....
Russians trained their army in north ossetia days before the conflict started. it was called caucasus-2008. Now we see the name was not only for the training. the solders were specially trained to fight aggainst us. they were handed special papers, which we saw in intetrnet and laughed(we should not have to...) about it. I can show you it, if you wish(it's in russian). info about georgian army was written there. There was written that georgian soldiers have low motivation, because they hate (bullshit...)our president, Saakashvili. They came up with a name:: saakashists (like fascists). Remeber that when russian started aggresion aggainst finland and poland they were also against finnish and polish fascism. old habits die hard.
so, how it started. Ossetian separatists started to bomb georgian villages. many civilians and soldeirs died. Our soldiers answered them with artilery of course. Our president ordered cease-fire and offered to talk. But they did not stop. long russian convoy of battle tanks, armored vehicles and many thousands of soldiers crossed georgian border and went into the ossetia.
We could not just sit there and observe how they conquered our country.
The war began. georgians went into ossetia, destroyed ossetian units that shelled georgian villages and quickly took capital of region, tskhinvali.
they met with russians, who suffered heavy losses. the commander of the russain 58-th army was wounded and evacuated to russia with helicopter. but it was only beginnging. russian brought in huge army. with 300 battle tanks, many artilery peaces and soldiers. they started to bomb us all over the country, outside the region. they bombed 24/7, every 20 minutes. one bomb landed on civilian building and killed 60 civilians at once. they attacked economical object, ports and pipelines.
Then our army leaved the region. our president signed cease-fire agreement. They have their plan. On of they motives is to change our democratic pro-western government. There guy at UN churkin could not deny that when american guy asked about that.
they are not going to stop. They don't care about ossetia or ossetins.
I can not understand why normal russain people don't protest that. Incredible. foreign presidents are deeply concerned. We are all very weary of that word, I hate it. We don't give a **** for their concerns. We need help.
Our guys were dying in iraq beacause we were there allies. Now they don't move finger to stop russia. They are jus deeply concerned. I dont' want Americans to fight here, But I can't beleive they don't have enough political power to stop this ****.
sory for bad spelling.
How can this end: I don't know. Nobody seems to care. there are many people here from Russia. Probably there are not as brainwashed from their tv as others, and probably more conscious. I'm interested in their opinion. do Russians really support this madness? Has Medvedyev some psychichological problems? Does anybody protest this in Russia?
I'm not nationalist and I will never be, I won't generalize these things to all russian population,. But I fear many georgians will start to ahte russians from now one. Why does it happen that so many of your neighbours hate you?
