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#1 lucidver

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Posted 12 August 2008 - 07:08 PM


Hi,

As a beginner to the site, one of the main things of interest to me is finding out the risks involved with nootropics as well as new developments (such as the recent revelations about vinpocetine)

Before buying anything, I want to know the risks. For example, I was going to try hydergine, but, after reading about the possibilty of fibrosis, I figured it wasn't worth the risk. Also, there are risks associated with Deprenyl.

What I want to accomplish is to have a stickied note here on the main page of the forum. I'll edit this post and gather resources for each nootropic which accurately states the risk involved with taking them and which groups of people should steer clear of them. For example, I've found the following information....

ALA - could increase prostate cancer
Hydergine(ergaloid) -- possible fibrosis of the heart?
Pyritinol -- bad for the liver
Deprenyl -- do not mix with Mao inhibitors

Anyone else interested in having this sort of resource as a sticky?

lucidver

#2 revnik

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Posted 12 August 2008 - 07:27 PM

Hi,

As a beginner to the site, one of the main things of interest to me is finding out the risks involved with nootropics as well as new developments (such as the recent revelations about vinpocetine)

Before buying anything, I want to know the risks. For example, I was going to try hydergine, but, after reading about the possibilty of fibrosis, I figured it wasn't worth the risk. Also, there are risks associated with Deprenyl.

What I want to accomplish is to have a stickied note here on the main page of the forum. I'll edit this post and gather resources for each nootropic which accurately states the risk involved with taking them and which groups of people should steer clear of them. For example, I've found the following information....

ALA - could increase prostate cancer
Hydergine(ergaloid) -- possible fibrosis of the heart?
Pyritinol -- bad for the liver
Deprenyl -- do not mix with Mao inhibitors

Anyone else interested in having this sort of resource as a sticky?

lucidver


Deprenyl IS a MAO-inhibitor.
But I get the point, it might be a good idea...

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#3 luv2increase

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Posted 12 August 2008 - 07:41 PM

Hi,

As a beginner to the site, one of the main things of interest to me is finding out the risks involved with nootropics as well as new developments (such as the recent revelations about vinpocetine)

Before buying anything, I want to know the risks. For example, I was going to try hydergine, but, after reading about the possibilty of fibrosis, I figured it wasn't worth the risk. Also, there are risks associated with Deprenyl.

What I want to accomplish is to have a stickied note here on the main page of the forum. I'll edit this post and gather resources for each nootropic which accurately states the risk involved with taking them and which groups of people should steer clear of them. For example, I've found the following information....

ALA - could increase prostate cancer
Hydergine(ergaloid) -- possible fibrosis of the heart?
Pyritinol -- bad for the liver
Deprenyl -- do not mix with Mao inhibitors

Anyone else interested in having this sort of resource as a sticky?

lucidver



I'm surprised someone as new as you are posting a so-called sticky like this BUT I AM NOT SURPRISED YOUR INFORMATION IS ALREADY WRONG!!!!


ALA - could increase prostate cancer

WRONG WRONG WRONG! It decreases the chance of prostate cancer. You are referring to 'alpha linoleic acid'!

#4 lucidver

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Posted 12 August 2008 - 09:55 PM

I'm not claiming I understand _any_ of the risks. I just have read things, perhaps even getting them wrong... while researching nootropics on this forum and the web.

Sorry it should say "could increase risk of prostate cancer"... which I read here:
http://www.umm.edu/a...enic-000284.htm

See , this is why we need a sticky of sorts, or perhaps a sub-thread.

I don't see why it's taboo to ask for some sort of warning thread as a newbie... allocate things all in one place. I don't understand the full scope of the risks involved in taking these medications and I want to KNOW.

Would you rather someone get hurt down the road? Maybe mix two things they shouldn't? What if you could prevent that from happening?

No, I think this is a great idea and would educate new people on things they might not know. For example, I've read a lot of people here taking pyritinol, and really wanted to try it... but, I already have liver problems. I don't want to risk messin around with my liver.

This post comes after posting about the risks of deprenyl. I _still_ don't quite understand what explicit nootropics can't be mixed with it or what medications/supplements/vitamins/etc. I did post asking about that a week ago and didn't get much of a response. If there were a resource I could just look up here on the forums it would circumvent all the guess work.

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Posted 12 August 2008 - 10:04 PM

This post comes after posting about the risks of deprenyl. I _still_ don't quite understand what explicit nootropics can't be mixed with it or what medications/supplements/vitamins/etc. I did post asking about that a week ago and didn't get much of a response. If there were a resource I could just look up here on the forums it would circumvent all the guess work.


Major Drug-Food Interaction selegiline (Major Drug-Food)
GENERALLY AVOID: Foods that contain large amounts of tyramine may precipitate a hypertensive crisis in patients treated with monoamine oxidase inhibitors (MAOIs). The mechanism is inhibition of MAO-A, the enzyme responsible for metabolizing exogenous amines such as tyramine in the gut and preventing them from being absorbed intact. Once absorbed, tyramine is metabolized to octopamine, a substance that is believed to displace norepinephrine from storage granules. Although selegiline is considered a selective inhibitor of MAO-B, the selectivity may not be absolute even at recommended dosages. Rare cases of hypertensive reactions associated with ingestion of tyramine-containing foods have been reported in patients taking the recommended daily oral dose of selegiline. Data for transdermal selegiline indicate that the 6 mg/24 hour dosage may be given safely without dietary restrictions. However, limited data are available for higher dosages.

MANAGEMENT: Patients treated with oral selegiline and transdermal selegiline (greater than 6 mg/24 hour) should preferably avoid consumption of products that contain large amounts of amines and protein foods in which aging or breakdown of protein is used to increase flavor. These foods include cheese (particularly strong, aged or processed cheeses), sour cream, wine (particularly red wine), champagne, beer, pickled herring, anchovies, caviar, shrimp paste, liver (particularly chicken liver), dry sausage, salamis, figs, raisins, bananas, avocados, chocolate, soy sauce, bean curd, sauerkraut, yogurt, papaya products, meat tenderizers, fava bean pods, protein extracts, yeast extracts, and dietary supplements. Caffeine may also precipitate hypertensive crisis so its intake should be minimized as well. At least 14 days should elapse following discontinuation of selegiline therapy before these foods may be consumed. Specially designed reference materials and dietary consultation are recommended so that an appropriate and safe diet can be planned. Patients should also be advised to promptly seek medical attention if they experience potential signs and symptoms of a hypertensive crisis such as severe headache, visual disturbances, difficulty thinking, stupor or coma, seizures, chest pain, unexplained nausea or vomiting, and stroke-like symptoms. The recommended dosages of selegiline should not be exceeded, as it can increase the risk of nonselective MAO inhibition and a hypertensive crisis.


Major Interaction
5-HTP, 5-hydroxytryptophan, Actiq, Acutrim 16 Hour, Acutrim II, Maximum Strength, Acutrim Late Day, Adapin, Adipex-P, Adipost, Afrinol, Ah-Chew D, Aldomet, Alfenta, alfentanil, Alphagan, Alphagan P, Amidate, amitriptyline, amoxapine, amphetamine, Amrix, Anafranil, Anorex-SR, Appecon, apraclonidine ophthalmic, Aramine, Asendin, atomoxetine, Aventyl HCl, Babee Cof, Balminil DM, Balminil DM Pour Enfants, Balminil DM Sans Sucrose, Benadryl for the Family Dry Forte, Benylin, Benylin Adult Formula, Benylin DM, Benylin DM Pediatric, Benylin Dry Coughs, Benylin Pediatric, benzphetamine, Bisolvon Dry, Bisolvon Dry Junior, Bontril PDM, Bontril Slow Release, Brevital Sodium, brimonidine ophthalmic, Buckley's Mixture Cough Suppressant, Buckleys Mixture, Budeprion SR, Budeprion XL, buPROPion, buPROPion 24 hour extended release, buPROPion extended release, BuSpar, BuSpar Dividose, busPIRone, Calmylin, carbamazepine, carbamazepine extended release, Carbatrol, carbetapentane, Celexa, Cenafed, Chem Mart Tramadol, Chlor Trimeton Nasal Decongestant, citalopram, clomiPRAMINE, Compound 374, Concerta, Contac 12-Hour, Contac Cold, Contac Cough, Control, Cough Syrup DM, Covonia Bronchial Balsam, Creo-Terpin, Creomulsion, Creomulsion Children, cyclobenzaprine, cyclobenzaprine extended release, Cymbalta, D.H.E. 45, Darvon, Darvon-N, Daytrana, Decofed, Decofed Liquid, Delsym, Delsym 12 Hour Cough Relief, Delsym 12 Hour Cough Relief for Children & Adults, Demerol HCl, desflurane, desipramine, Desoxyn, Desoxyn Gradumet, Despec-SF, desvenlafaxine, Desyrel, Desyrel Dividose, DexAlone, Dexatrim, Dexatrim Caffeine Free, Dexedrine, Dexedrine Spansule, dexfenfluramine, Dexi-Tuss, dexmethylphenidate, dexmethylphenidate extended release, dextroamphetamine, dextroamphetamine extended release, dextromethorphan, dextromethorphan extended release, Dextromethorphan HBr Adult Formula, Dextrostat, Didrex, diethylpropion, diethylpropion extended release, dihydroergotamine, dihydroergotamine nasal, Dimetapp 12-Hour Non-Drowsy Extentabs, Dimetapp Children's Cold & Allergy, Dimetapp Cold Cough & Flu Day & Night Liquid Caps, Dimetapp Cold Drops, Dimetapp Decongestant, Dimetapp Infant Drops, Diprivan, Diskets, Dolophine, DOPamine, Dopram, doxapram, doxepin, doxepin topical, Dristan DM, Drixoral Decongestant Non-Drowsy, Drixoral Non-Drowsy, Dromadol SR, Dromadol XL, droperidol, Dry Cough, duloxetine, Duragesic, Duragesic-100, Duragesic-12, Duragesic-25, Duragesic-50, Duragesic-75, Effexor, Effexor XR, Efidac, Elavil, Elixsure Cough, Elixsure Decongestant, Empro, Endep, enflurane, Entex, ephedra, ephedrine, Epitol, Equetro, Ergomar, ergonovine, ergotamine, Ergotrate Maleate, escitalopram, Ethrane, etomidate, Fastin, fenfluramine, fentanyl, fentanyl topical, Fentora, Fexmid, Flexeril, Fluothane, fluoxetine, fluoxetine extended release, fluvoxamine, fluvoxamine extended release, Focalin, Focalin XR, Forane, furazolidone, Furoxone, Genaphed, GenRx Tramadol, halothane, Hold DM, hypericum perforatum, imipramine, imipramine pamoate, Inapsine, Intropin, Ionamin, Ionsys, Iopidine, isocarboxazid, isoflurane, isometheptene mucate, Jack & Jill Thin Strips Cough, Ketalar, ketamine, Kid Kare Drops, Kutapressin, l-tryptophan, Larapam SR, Lexapro, lisdexamfetamine, liver derivative complex, Lloydspharmacy Dry Adult Cough, Ludiomil, Lusonal, Luvox, Luvox CR, ma huang, maprotiline, Marplan, Matulane, Mazanor, mazindol, Mega-Trim, Melfiat, meperidine, mephentermine, Meridia, Metadate CD, Metadate ER, metaraminol, methadone, Methadose, methamphetamine, methamphetamine extended release, methohexital, methoxyflurane, methyldopa, Methylin, Methylin ER, methylphenidate, methylphenidate 24 hour extended release, methylphenidate extended release, methysergide maleate, Migranal, mirtazapine, Myfedrine, Nardil, nasofed, Nasop, Nasop12, nefazodone, Neo-Synephrine, Neocitran Thin Strips Cough, nitrous oxide, Norpramin, nortriptyline, Novahistine DM, Nucosef DM, Obephen, Obezine, Oby-Cap, Oby-Trim, oxcarbazepine, Pamelor, Panshape M, Parnate, paroxetine, paroxetine extended release, paroxetine mesylate, Paxil, Paxil CR, Pedia Relief, Pediacare, Pediacare Drops, Penthrane, Pentothal, Pertussin CS Childrens, Pertussin DM, Pertussin ES, Pexeva, Phendiet, Phendiet-105, phendimetrazine, phendimetrazine extended release, phenelzine, Phentercot, phentermine, phentermine hydrochloride, phentermine hydrochloride extended release, phentermine resin extended release, Phentride, Phenyl-T, Phenyldrine, phenylephrine, phenylephrine extended release, phenylpropanolamine, Plegine, Pondimin, PP-Cap, Prelu-2, Pristiq, Pro-Fast HS, Pro-Fast SA, Pro-Fast SR, procarbazine, Propagest, Propan, propofol, propoxyphene, propoxyphene hydrochloride, propoxyphene napsylate, protriptyline, Prozac, Prozac Weekly, Prudoxin, pseudoephedrine, pseudoephedrine extended release, Rapiflux, Redux, Remeron, Remeron SolTab, remifentanil, Rhindecon, Ridafed, Ritalin, Ritalin LA, Ritalin-SR, Robafen Cough Liquidgels, Robafen Pediatric Cough & Cold, Robitussin Cough Calmers, Robitussin CoughGels, Robitussin Dry Cough, Robitussin DX Cough Control, Robitussin DX Cough Control Forte, Robitussin DX Dry Cough Forte, Robitussin Honey Cough, Robitussin Junior Persistent Cough, Robitussin Maximum Strength, Robitussin Pediatric Cough Suppressant, Robitussin Soft Pastilles, Sanorex, Sansert, Sarafem, Scot-Tussin Diabetic, Scot-Tussin DM Cough Chasers, Selfemra, sertraline, Serzone, Seudotabs, sevoflurane, sibutramine, Silfedrine, Silphen DM, Sinequan, Sojourn, solotuss, St. John's wort, St. Joseph Cough Suppressant, Statobex, Strattera, Strepsils Cough, Strepsils Cough Relief, Sublimaze, Sucrets DM Cough, Sudafed, Sudafed 12-Hour, Sudafed 24-Hour, Sudafed Child Nasal Decongestant, Sudafed PE, Sudafed PE Extra Strength, Sudafed PE Quick Dissolve, Sudodrin, SudoGest, SudoGest 12 Hour, Sudogest PE, Sudrine, Sufenta, sufentanil, Superfed, Suphedrin, Suprane, Surmontil, T-Diet, Tegretol, Tegretol XR, Tenuate, Tenuate Dospan, Teramine, Teramine ER, Terrell, Terry White Chemists Tramadol, Theraflu Thin Strips Cough, thiopental, Tofranil, Tofranil-PM, traMADOL, traMADOL extended release, Tramahexal, Tramahexal SR, Tramake, Tramake Insts, Tramal, Tramal SR, Tramedo, tranylcypromine, traZODONE, Triaminic A.M., Triaminic DM, Triaminic Infant Drops, Triaminic Long Acting Cough, Triaminic Long Acting Cough(obs), Triaminic Softchew, Triaminic Softchews Allergy Congestion, Triaminic Thin Strips Cold, Triaminic Thin Strips Cough, Triaminic Thin Strips Infant Decongestant, Triaminic Thin Strips Nasal Congestion, Triaminic Thin Strips Nasal Congestion(obsolete), Triaminic Toddler Congestion Thin Strips, Triaminic Toddler Congestion Thin Strips(obsolete), Trileptal, trimipramine, Tryptan, tryptophan, Tussin Pediatric, Tussinol for Dry Coughs, Tylenol Simply Cough, Tylenol Simply Stuffy, Ultane, Ultane P.E.N., Ultiva, Ultram, Ultram ER, Unifed, Vanatrip, venlafaxine, venlafaxine extended release, Vicks 44 Cough Medicine, Vicks 44 Cough Relief, Vicks Formula 44, Vicks Formula 44 for Dry Coughs, Vivactil, Vyvanse, Wellbutrin, Wellbutrin SR, Wellbutrin XL, Westrim, Westrim LA, Wyamine Sulfate Injection, Zamadol, Zamadol 24hr, Zamadol Melt, Zamadol SR, Zantryl, Zoloft, Zonalon, Zyban, Zyban Advantage Pack, Zydol, Zydol SR, Zydol XL

Moderate Interaction
12 Hour Nasal, 12 Hour Nasal Decongestant, 4-Way, 4-Way Menthol, Accuneb, acetoHEXAMIDE, Actibine, Adrenalin, Afrin, Afrin 4 Hour Extra Moisturizing, Afrin All Night NoDrip, Afrin Extra Moisturizing, Afrin Nasal Sinus, Afrin No Drip Severe Congestion, Afrin No Drip Sinus, Afrin NoDrip Extra Moisturizing, Afrin Pump Mist, Afrin Severe Congestion, Afrin Severe Congestion NoDrip, Airet, AK-Con, AK-Dilate, AK-Nefrin, Albalon, albuterol, albuterol extended release, Allerest 12 Hour Nasal Spray, Allerest Eye Drops, Allersol, Altafrin, Altazine, Alupent, Amaryl, Ana-Guard, Antabuse, Anu-Med, Anusert Ointment, Aphrodyne, Apidra, Apidra OptiClik Cartridge, arformoterol, Asthmahaler, Asthmanefrin, Aygestin, bitolterol, Brethaire, Brethine, Bricanyl, Bronchial Mist with Pump, Bronitin, Bronkaid Mist, Bronkometer, Brovana, Camila, chlorproPAMIDE, Clarine, Clear Eyes, clonazepam, Dayto-Himbin, Degest 2, DepoDur, deserpidine, desogestrel, DiaBeta, Diabinese, disulfiram, DOBUTamine, Dobutrex, Dopar, Duramist Plus, Duration, Dymelor, ephedrine nasal, Epi EZ Pen, Epifrin, Epinal, epinephrine, epinephrine borate ophthalmic, epinephrine ophthalmic, EpiPen 2-Pak, EpiPen Auto-Injector, EpiPen JR 2-Pak, EpiPen JR Auto-Injector, Eppy/N, Erex, Errin, Estinyl, Estivin II, ethinyl estradiol, EXUBERA, EXUBERA Combination Pack 12, EXUBERA Combination Pack 15, EXUBERA Kit, Eye-Sine, Foradil Aerolizer, formoterol, Formulation R, Four-Way Nasal Spray, Genasal, Geneye Extra, Geneyes, Glaucon, glimepiride, glipiZIDE, glipiZIDE extended release, GlipiZIDE XL, Glucotrol, Glucotrol XL, glyBURIDE, glyBURIDE micronized, Glynase PresTab, guanadrel, guanethidine, Harmonyl, Hemorid, Hemorrhoidal, Hemorrhoidal Cooling Gel, Hemorrhoidal Ointment, Humalog, Humalog Cartridge, Humalog KwikPen, Humalog Pen, Humulin L, Humulin N, Humulin N Pen, Humulin R, Humulin R (Concentrated), Humulin U, Hylorel, Iletin II Lente Pork, Iletin II NPH Pork, Iletin II Regular Pork, Iletin Lente, Iletin NPH, Iletin Regular, insulin, insulin analog, insulin aspart, insulin aspart protamine, insulin detemir, insulin glargine, insulin glulisine, insulin inhalation, rapid acting, insulin isophane, Insulin Lente Pork, insulin lispro, insulin lispro protamine, Insulin Purified NPH Pork, Insulin Purified Regular Pork, insulin regular, insulin zinc, insulin zinc extended, insulin, lente, insulin, NPH, insulin, ultralente, Ismelin, isoetharine, isoproterenol, Isopto Frin, Isuprel HCl, Isuprel Mistometer, Jolivette, Klonopin, Klonopin Wafer, L-desoxyephedrine nasal, Lantus, Lantus OptiClik Cartridge, Lantus Solostar Pen, Larodopa, Lente insulin, levalbuterol, Levemir, Levemir FlexPen, Levemir InnoLet, Levemir PenFill, levmetamfetamine nasal, levodopa, levonordefrin, levonorgestrel, Levophed Bitartrate, linezolid, Little Noses Decongestant, Maxair, Maxair Autohaler, Mederek, Medihaler-Epi, Medihaler-Iso, mestranol, Metaprel, metaproterenol, methoxamine, metoclopramide, Micronase, Micronefrin, midodrine, Mirena, morphine liposomal, Mucinex Full Force, Mucinex Moisture Smart, Murine Plus, Mydfrin, Nafazair, naphazoline nasal, naphazoline ophthalmic, Naphcon, Naphcon Forte, nateglinide, Neo-Synephrine 12 Hour, Neo-Synephrine 12 Hour Extra Moisturizing, Neo-Synephrine Extra Strength Nasal, Neo-Synephrine Mild Nasal, Neo-Synephrine Nasal, Neo-Synephrine Ophthalmic, Neofrin, Nephron, Nexavar, Nor-QD, Nora-Be, norepinephrine, norethindrone, norethindrone acetate, norgestimate, norgestrel, Norplant System, Nostril Nasal Decongestant, Nostrilla, Novolin L, Novolin N, Novolin N Innolet, Novolin N PenFill, Novolin R, Novolin R Innolet, Novolin R PenFill, NovoLog, NovoLog FlexPen, NovoLog PenFill, NPH insulin, NRS Nasal, NTZ Long Acting Nasal, Ocu-Phrin, Ocu-Zoline, Ocuclear, Opti-Clear, Optigene 3, Orinase, Ortho Micronor, Orvaten, Otrivin, Ovrette, Oxyfrin, Oxymeta-12, oxymetazoline nasal, oxymetazoline ophthalmic, Perforomist, Phenoptic, phenylephrine nasal, phenylephrine ophthalmic, phenylephrine topical, pirbuterol, Plan B, Prandin, Prefrin, Prep-Hem, Preparation H, Preparation H Cooling Gel, Preparation H Suppositories, Pretz-D, Primatene Mist Inhaler, Primatene Mist Suspension, Privine, ProAir HFA, ProAmatine, Prompt Relief, propylhexedrine nasal, protamine zinc insulin, Proventil, Proventil HFA, Proventil Repetabs, racepinephrine, Rauwolfemms, Rauwolfia 1X, rauwolfia serpentina, Redness Relief, Reglan, regular insulin, Relief, ReliOn/Novolin N, ReliOn/Novolin R, repaglinide, reserpine, Respirol, Rhinall, ritodrine, S2 Inhalant, salmeterol, Serevent, Serevent Diskus, Sinarest Nasal, Sinex Long-Acting, Sinex Nasal Spray, Sinex Ultra Fine Mist, sorafenib, Starlix, Sus-Phrine Injection, terbutaline, Testomar, tetrahydrozoline nasal, tetrahydrozoline ophthalmic, Tetrasine, Tetrasine EX, Thybine, Tol-Tab, TOLAZamide, TOLBUTamide, Tolinase, Tornalate, Twice-A-Day, Twinject Auto-Injector, Twinject Auto-Injector Two Pack, Tyzine Nasal, Ultralente insulin, VasoClear, Vasocon, Vasoxyl, Velosulin BR, Ventolin, Ventolin HFA, Ventolin Nebules, Ventolin Rotacaps, Vicks Vapor Inhaler, Visine, Visine Advanced Relief(obsolete), Visine Extra, Visine L.R., Visine Long Lasting, Vision Clear, Vision Eye, Volmax, VoSpire ER, Xopenex, Xopenex Concentrate, Xopenex HFA, xylometazoline nasal, Yocon, Yohimar, Yohimbe, yohimbine, Yohimex, Yoman, Yovital, Yutopar, Zicam Extreme Congestion Relief, Zicam Sinus Relief, Zyvox

Minor Interaction
Accupril, acebutolol, Aceon, Adalat, Adalat CC, Afeditab CR, Aldactone, alfuzosin, alfuzosin extended release, Altace, amiloride, amlodipine, amyl nitrite, Apresoline, Aquacot, Aquatensen, Aquazide H, Arfonad, Atacand, atenolol, Avapro, benazepril, bendroflumethiazide, Benicar, benzthiazide, bepridil, Betapace, Betapace AF, Betapace AF(obsolete), betaxolol, bisoprolol, Blocadren, Brevibloc, bumetanide, Bumex, Calan, Calan SR, candesartan, Capoten, captopril, Cardene, Cardene IV, Cardene SR, Cardizem, Cardizem CD, Cardizem LA, Cardizem Monovial, Cardizem SR, Cardura, Cardura XL, Carduran, Carozide, carteolol, Cartia XT, Cartrol, carvedilol, carvedilol extended release, Cascor, Catapres, Catapres-TTS-1, Catapres-TTS-2, Catapres-TTS-3, chlorothiazide, chlorthalidone, clonidine, clonidine topical, Coreg, Coreg CR, Corgard, Corlopam, Covera-HS, Cozaar, cyclandelate, Cyclospasmol, Demadex, Demadex I.V., Deponit, Diaqua, Diaqua-2, diazoxide, Dibenzyline, Dilacor XR, Dilatrate-SR, Diltia XT, diltiazem, diltiazem 24 hour extended release, diltiazem extended release, Diltiazem Hydrochloride CD, Diltiazem Hydrochloride SR, Diltiazem Hydrochloride XR, Diltiazem Hydrochloride XT, Diovan, Diucardin, Diurese, Diuril, Diuril Sodium, Doxadura, doxazosin, doxazosin extended release, Duraclon, Dynacirc, Dynacirc CR, Dyrenium, Edecrin, Edecrin Sodium, enalapril, enalaprilat, Enduron, eprosartan, Esidrix, esmolol, ethacrynic acid, Ethaquin, Ethatab, ethaverine, Ethavex-100, Exna, Ezide, felodipine, felodipine extended release, fenoldopam, fosinopril, furosemide, guanabenz, guanfacine, HCTZ, hydrALAZINE, Hydro Par, hydrochlorothiazide, HydroDIURIL, hydroflumethiazide, Hygroton, Hyperstat, Hytrin, Imdur, indapamide, Inderal, Inderal LA, InnoPran XL, Inversine, irbesartan, ISDN, ISMO, Ismotic PB, Isochron, Isoptin, Isoptin I.V., Isoptin SR, Isordil, Isordil Tembids, Isordil Titradose, isosorbide, isosorbide dinitrate, isosorbide dinitrate extended release, isosorbide mononitrate, isosorbide mononitrate extended release, Isovex, isoxsuprine, isradipine, isradipine extended release, Kerlone, labetalol, Lasix, Levatol, lisinopril, Lo-Aqua, Loniten, Lopressor, Loqua, losartan, Lotensin, Lozol, mannitol, Mavik, mecamylamine, Metahydrin, methyclothiazide, metolazone, metoprolol, metoprolol extended release, metoprolol succinate, Metoprolol Succinate ER, metoprolol tartrate, Micardis, Microzide, Midamor, Minipress, Minitran, minoxidil, moexipril, Monoket, Monopril, Mykrox, nadolol, Naqua, Naturetin-10, Naturetin-5, niCARdipine, niCARdipine extended release, Nifediac CC, Nifedical XL, NIFEdipine, NIFEdipine extended release, nimodipine, Nimotop, nisoldipine, Nitrek, Nitro TD Patch-A, Nitro-Bid, Nitro-Bid IV, Nitro-Dur, Nitro-Par, Nitro-Time, Nitrocot, Nitrodisc, Nitrogard, nitroglycerin, Nitroglyn E-R, Nitrol, Nitrol Appli-Kit, Nitrolingual, Nitrong, Nitropress, nitroprusside, Nitroquick, Nitrostat, Normodyne, Norvasc, NTG, olmesartan, Oretic, Osmitrol, Papacon, papaverine, papaverine extended release, Para-Time S. R., Pavabid Plateau, Pavacot, Pavagen, penbutolol, perindopril, phenoxybenzamine, phentolamine, pindolol, Plendil, polythiazide, prazosin, Prinivil, Procardia, Procardia XL, Proglycem, propranolol, propranolol extended release, quinapril, ramipril, Renese, Resectisol, Saluron, Sectral, sodium nitroprusside, Sorbitrate, Sorine, sotalol, Sotalol Hydrochloride AF, Sotalol Hydrochloride AF(obsolete), spironolactone, Sular, Taztia XT, telmisartan, Tenex, Tenormin, terazosin, Teveten, Thalitone, Tiazac, timolol, tolazoline, Toprol-XL, torsemide, Trandate, trandolapril, triamterene, trichlormethiazide, Tridil, trimethaphan camsylate, Univasc, urea, Ureaphil, Uroxatral, valsartan, Vascor, Vasodilan, Vasotec, verapamil, verapamil 24 hour extended release, verapamil extended release, Verelan, Verelan PM, Visken, Wytensin, Zaroxolyn, Zebeta, Zestril

Here you go ;)
Just go to Drugs.com and check your interactions.

Edited by revnik, 12 August 2008 - 10:07 PM.


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Posted 12 August 2008 - 10:15 PM

Holy smokes!

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Posted 12 August 2008 - 11:26 PM

I agree with the need for some centrality on specific substances, but I don't think we want to be taking official positions for or against anything (or even standard warnings). The process of figuring out what you want to use and what would be most efficacious should be relatively free, with commonly-held assumptions always questioned and revisited from different perspectives. It would be easy to create a sticky with a compilation of a variety of theorizing about the safety of nootropics and other substances, but I think this can be accomplished through a commonly referenced thread. Plus, if a sticky existed, the content would always be up for review and open to contrarian theorizing and disagreement, when such discussion and exchange should really be taking place in individual topics. Topics like "Hydergine Side/Unintended Effects" would be a good place to bring a compilation of views that allows the reader to make his/her own informed choice as to the safety and/or efficacy of the substance in question.

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Posted 13 August 2008 - 03:29 AM

I am really just curious about two things, not with telling people what to take or not to take.

[1] bad interactions
[2] long term side effects (such as fibrosis or liver problems).

So those are my two main concerns with nootropics and day by day I am learning more and more which nootropics are even candidates for experimentation. I pretty much want to take things with _zero_ toxicity, even if it means I omit things which may be more helpful to me than a nontoxic alternative.

@revnik
drugs.com is pretty much what I am looking for. Perhaps we don't need a sticky, after all.

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Posted 14 August 2008 - 05:52 PM

This post comes after posting about the risks of deprenyl. I _still_ don't quite understand what explicit nootropics can't be mixed with it or what medications/supplements/vitamins/etc. I did post asking about that a week ago and didn't get much of a response. If there were a resource I could just look up here on the forums it would circumvent all the guess work.


Major Drug-Food Interaction selegiline (Major Drug-Food)
GENERALLY AVOID: Foods that contain large amounts of tyramine may precipitate a hypertensive crisis in patients treated with monoamine oxidase inhibitors (MAOIs). The mechanism is inhibition of MAO-A, the enzyme responsible for metabolizing exogenous amines such as tyramine in the gut and preventing them from being absorbed intact. Once absorbed, tyramine is metabolized to octopamine, a substance that is believed to displace norepinephrine from storage granules. Although selegiline is considered a selective inhibitor of MAO-B, the selectivity may not be absolute even at recommended dosages. Rare cases of hypertensive reactions associated with ingestion of tyramine-containing foods have been reported in patients taking the recommended daily oral dose of selegiline. Data for transdermal selegiline indicate that the 6 mg/24 hour dosage may be given safely without dietary restrictions. However, limited data are available for higher dosages...



You have to realize that these interactions are non-existent is those taking dosages in the life-extending range (1-3mg daily). These are for those taking 10+mg of deprenyl and the emsam patch.

I can't believe no one mentioned this yet.

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Posted 14 August 2008 - 06:33 PM

This post comes after posting about the risks of deprenyl. I _still_ don't quite understand what explicit nootropics can't be mixed with it or what medications/supplements/vitamins/etc. I did post asking about that a week ago and didn't get much of a response. If there were a resource I could just look up here on the forums it would circumvent all the guess work.


Major Drug-Food Interaction selegiline (Major Drug-Food)
GENERALLY AVOID: Foods that contain ...


You have to realize that these interactions are non-existent is those taking dosages in the life-extending range (1-3mg daily). These are for those taking 10+mg of deprenyl and the emsam patch.

I can't believe no one mentioned this yet.


I mentioned it, it's in the post itself under "MANAGEMENT" :)

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Posted 14 August 2008 - 06:40 PM

But I would watch out for the pharmaceutical-interactions, also when you're below 6 mg/day.

Combining selegiline and ritalin or modafinil (or other stimulants for that matter) might not always be that good of an idea...

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Posted 14 August 2008 - 08:25 PM

But I would watch out for the pharmaceutical-interactions, also when you're below 6 mg/day.

Combining selegiline and ritalin or modafinil (or other stimulants for that matter) might not always be that good of an idea...



I've combined 3mg daily of selegiline with mass amount of caffeine, DLPA, tramadol, and/or adderall to no ill-effects. Granted this was done solely as experimentation (dumb), but I survived. One thing to note: selegiline makes the good affects of narcotic pain medicine and amphetamines to be blunted!

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Posted 14 August 2008 - 08:26 PM

I mentioned it, it's in the post itself under "MANAGEMENT" :)


It was not clarified and understandable. How is someone supposed to know that your management section also is relevant to the information below it??? They can't. :)

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Posted 14 August 2008 - 08:37 PM

I mentioned it, it's in the post itself under "MANAGEMENT" :)


It was not clarified and understandable. How is someone supposed to know that your management section also is relevant to the information below it??? They can't. :)


Nice point :~ It was just a fast copy/paste to help him out.
People should do there research before they start swallowing meds such as selegiline.

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Posted 14 August 2008 - 09:41 PM

Damn, no theraflu with deprenyl :-X
That kinda scares me. I'd hate to catch a cold or the flu and not be able to wimp out and take something to help tide things over... sucks.

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Posted 14 August 2008 - 10:06 PM

Damn, no theraflu with deprenyl :-X
That kinda scares me. I'd hate to catch a cold or the flu and not be able to wimp out and take something to help tide things over... sucks.


The above list simply means that there's some kind of interaction. This doesn't always mean that they're not compatible, a simple dose adjusment might be the solution.
I don't know the type of interaction for the drug you're referring to.




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