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Allow Doping In Sports?


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#1 Mind

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Posted 13 August 2008 - 07:21 PM


Let the games be doped

What if we let athletes do whatever they wanted to excel?

Before you dismiss this notion, consider what we’re stuck with today. The system is ostensibly designed to create a level playing field, protect athletes’ health and set an example for children, but it fails on all counts.

The journal Nature, in an editorial in the current issue, complains that “antidoping authorities have fostered a sporting culture of suspicion, secrecy and fear” by relying on unscientifically calibrated tests, like the unreliable test for synthetic testosterone that cost Floyd Landis his 2006 Tour de France victory. Even if the authorities manage to correct their tests, they can’t possibly keep up with the accelerating advances in biology. Some athletes are already considering new drugs like Aicar and GW1516, which made news recently when researchers at the Salk Institute used them to quickly turn couch-potato mice into treadmill champions with new, strong muscles.

“There’s a possibility that athletes in this Olympics will be using these drugs,” said Ronald Evans, the leader of the team at Salk, who has been fending off inquiries from athletes about these drugs. He has advised the antidoping authorities on how to detect these drugs, but whether they’ll be able do it competently this Olympics is far from clear.

The authorities will have even less of a chance of catching athletes who move beyond drugs and hormones to “gene doping” — inserting genes in their DNA that could increase strength and endurance without leaving telltale chemicals in the bloodstream.


In the British Medical Journal last month, more than 30 scholars signed a statement supporting an article co-authored by Dr. Kayser calling the current system a failure that needs to be changed. The article also criticized the medical authorities for undermining their credibility with “prophylactic lies” that exaggerate the dangers of drugs like anabolic steroids based “on scant evidence tainted by a misguided moralistic motivation to protect sports.”

No one denies that there are risks in taking drugs like anabolic steroids, and there is wide agreement that minors shouldn’t be allowed to take them (or other performance drugs). But the popular fear of steroid use by adults is based in large part on a few sensationalized cases, like the news articles blaming steroids for the fatal brain tumor of Lyle Alzado, the former football player.

“You’d be on firmer scientific ground blaming his brain cancer on beer drinking,” said Norman Fost, a professor of pediatrics and bioethics at the University of Wisconsin. “The claims of the common fatal or irreversible harms of anabolic steroids are without any medical foundation. There’s no reason to think the risk of injury or death is as high as the risk from simply playing sports like football or baseball.”


I am glad someone is finally talking some sense about this issue. It has been discussed at times here in the forums. I get upset over that fact that potential biotech breakthroughs and life enhancing therapies are being banned, restricted, and delayed and the general population is suffering, just so no one ever breaks the MLB home run record. Ridiculous. There is reasonable caution and then there is zealotry. The anti-doping agencies are engaged in the latter.

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Posted 14 August 2008 - 09:24 AM

And what is going to happen when these doped athletes start dying? I see a potential PR problem for these kind of games...

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Posted 14 August 2008 - 11:05 AM

Probably a better idea to just stop having the Olympics because no matter which way we look at it is has always been a biological enhancements arms race. Breaking the world record for this and the world record for that means nothing without love.

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#4 mike250

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Posted 14 August 2008 - 01:25 PM

Its really just a standard article that gets trotted out every 4 years.

the reason why that cheating person lost his TdF victory was because he was smashing performance enhancing drugs which was upheld by not only the tests but the 5 or 6 appeal processes he went through.

Edited by mike250, 14 August 2008 - 01:27 PM.


#5 forever freedom

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Posted 14 August 2008 - 05:04 PM

It's an interesting subject and i haven't really decided yet what's my opinion on it.


I just want to point out, there would be no more women competing professionaly in most sports, because they would become half men. Apart from this freakshow, there would also be the fact that whoever is taking the best steroid diet, in most sports, will have a good advantage over others, and at least in the higher levels, i think that soon it would all even out, there won't be any gains over others because others will also be on dope. But it will be good for the sport because new records unthought of before will be made.


There are more things to consider, but i wouldn't mind if doping was allowed, it would certainly bring sports to a new level.

#6 Mind

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Posted 14 August 2008 - 06:20 PM

The "natural athlete" and "natural competition" slogans have no meaning nowadays. The anti-doping zealots are helping to reinforce the "natural life or nothing" attitude that spills over into everything from the energy drinks to stem cell research. If sports leagues started dealing with the doping/enhancement issue with a more future-oriented mindset, I think we would all be better off.

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Posted 14 August 2008 - 07:10 PM

Probably a better idea to just stop having the Olympics because no matter which way we look at it is has always been a biological enhancements arms race. Breaking the world record for this and the world record for that means nothing without love.


Being good at things brings the love. I would have thought you above all would have recognized that.

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Posted 15 August 2008 - 03:14 AM

Even wonder why society's elites even promote sports to begin with? In my opinion, it is such a "waste of time." Think of the amount of time and resources in public schools and colleges that go into sports, which instead can be spent on "real" education like science, mathematics, and philosophy. Perhaps it's promoted so as to keep us occupied and dis-interested in "real" issues: an ignorant voting populace is much easier to control and manipulate. Again, just my opinion: others may think sports is a fine thing.

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Posted 15 August 2008 - 03:29 AM

Think of the amount of time and resources in public schools and colleges that go into sports, which instead can be spent on "real" education like science, mathematics, and philosophy.


Think of how much more effective people would be at those topics if they got outside and played sports on a regular basis.

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Posted 15 August 2008 - 03:39 AM




Edited by E.T., 15 August 2008 - 03:44 AM.


#11 E.T.

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Posted 15 August 2008 - 03:43 AM

Think of how much more effective people would be at those topics if they got outside and played sports on a regular basis.


You mean the brain-health benefits of exersize? But that can be done by a little jogging and weight lifting. But the time I spent on the high school tennis team, with several hours of practice after school each day took me far beyond what I needed for good health: in fact, I've read that over-exercize is actually bad, creating too much free radicals.

I guess I'm just very practical about it: For example, I value physical things that have a "bigger" purpose, for example, the martial arts, which has practical application to transhumanist society, which is to defend yourself and community from aggressors.

The only reason I jointed the tennis team was because our societal elites wanted to see sports activity on college applications.

Edited by E.T., 15 August 2008 - 03:54 AM.


#12 Shepard

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Posted 15 August 2008 - 04:09 AM

Certainly, I don't think the outlet matters as long as you challenge yourself physically as much as intellectually.




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