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#1 Cless986

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Posted 24 August 2008 - 04:41 AM


What are the best testosterone boosting supplements?, I am asking because I cant find anything in google (a lot of viagra ads and the search function doesnt show what I am searching for)
Has anyone tried http://www.t-nation....o.do?id=1054351
It seems to contain:
Tribulus terrestris
Vitex agnus castus
Eurycoma longifolia

I searched the ingredients in the web (wikipedia) and all of them
doesnt have conclusive evidence about them...What about others? I am chinese, I already tried our ancient stuff like bird nest, sea cucumber, cordyceps, gingseng and shark fin... all of them high price, cure-all, libido enhancement, supplements in natural way (eating them not pills)

Anything else??

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Posted 24 August 2008 - 05:07 AM

What are the best testosterone boosting supplements?, I am asking because I cant find anything in google (a lot of viagra ads and the search function doesnt show what I am searching for)
Has anyone tried http://www.t-nation....o.do?id=1054351
It seems to contain:
Tribulus terrestris
Vitex agnus castus
Eurycoma longifolia

I searched the ingredients in the web (wikipedia) and all of them
doesnt have conclusive evidence about them...What about others? I am chinese, I already tried our ancient stuff like bird nest, sea cucumber, cordyceps, gingseng and shark fin... all of them high price, cure-all, libido enhancement, supplements in natural way (eating them not pills)

Anything else??



Exercise!


Have you had tests performed which showed your testosterone levels were low?
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Posted 24 August 2008 - 06:22 AM

What are the best \

Anything else??



Exercise!


Have you had tests performed which showed your testosterone levels were low?



Well... it depends what kind of exercise you mean. Endurance exercise lowers resting testosterone whereas I believe anaerobic exercise raises it.

To the OP, try things like: Nettle root, passion flower and removing soy and soy products from your diet. Also make sure you are sleeping adequately and getting bright light in your eyes when you wake up (try to get this bright light in your eyes as early as possible). This is from a study that showed that a 10,000 lux lamp shone into the eyes of young healthy men at 6am raised testosterone levels by a very significant amount. It also raised serotonin and dopamine which is also a postive effect.

Acute abstinence from orgasm can also help to raise your testosterone (paste this into google to see the study, I'm too lazy).

What else... Apparently just thinking about sex can raise your T levels. Try to be around good looking women who are a bit loose in the way they dress (why I love university in summer).


Edit: Go to acne.org. There's a bunch of people there that are trying to lower their levels of androgens. So do the opposite of what they suggest as long as they have scientific studies to back up what they are saying.

Edited by Ben - Aus, 24 August 2008 - 06:26 AM.


#4 RicardoW

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Posted 24 August 2008 - 08:44 AM

To the OP, try things like: Nettle root, passion flower


I didn’t know that passionflower boosted testosterone, where did you fond this information?


getting bright light in your eyes when you wake up (try to get this bright light in your eyes as early as possible). This is from a study that showed that a 10,000 lux lamp shone into the eyes of young healthy men at 6am raised testosterone levels by a very significant amount. It also raised serotonin and dopamine which is also a postive effect.


I hade no idée that that actually would make a deferens. My self I have a lamp of his type on my room; It’s connected to a timer that gradually increases the strength of the light during a period of 30 minutes, personally I think this is an grate way to wake up (This actually works and I really do wake up in time). I never fell tired in the morning.


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Posted 24 August 2008 - 08:58 AM

You might want to try pumpkinseeds. Testosterone is broken down and forms something ells that cases hair lost and body hair, pumpkinseeds inhibits this. During a period of time I was eating a lot of pumpkinseeds to found out what effect I would have, I really think that this food can make a grate deferens.



Cordyceps do rises testosterone levels (quality is a concern though).

#6 Cless986

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Posted 24 August 2008 - 06:43 PM

What are the best \

Anything else??



Exercise!


Have you had tests performed which showed your testosterone levels were low?



Well... it depends what kind of exercise you mean. Endurance exercise lowers resting testosterone whereas I believe anaerobic exercise raises it.

To the OP, try things like: Nettle root, passion flower and removing soy and soy products from your diet. Also make sure you are sleeping adequately and getting bright light in your eyes when you wake up (try to get this bright light in your eyes as early as possible). This is from a study that showed that a 10,000 lux lamp shone into the eyes of young healthy men at 6am raised testosterone levels by a very significant amount. It also raised serotonin and dopamine which is also a postive effect.

Acute abstinence from orgasm can also help to raise your testosterone (paste this into google to see the study, I'm too lazy).

What else... Apparently just thinking about sex can raise your T levels. Try to be around good looking women who are a bit loose in the way they dress (why I love university in summer).


Edit: Go to acne.org. There's a bunch of people there that are trying to lower their levels of androgens. So do the opposite of what they suggest as long as they have scientific studies to back up what they are saying.

Very useful tips!!! just found this site http://www.testoster...stosterone.html that has great tips too.
Thinking sex when looking a woman raise can my t levels?? I heard that is because of the copulins (women pheromones) not very conclusive though...

Edited by Cless986, 24 August 2008 - 06:54 PM.


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Posted 24 August 2008 - 08:25 PM

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Posted 24 August 2008 - 08:34 PM

Do you have pathologically low T? Go to an endocrinologist. Or do you simply want better performance/muscle growth or something? Forget all that stuff, testosterone is the real deal, the only real deal out there.
The only thing the discussed substances may do, is correct some deficiencies (even that is not proven beyond doubt AFAIK), which is not worthwhile if you're healthy.

#9 Cless986

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Posted 25 August 2008 - 02:23 AM

Do you have pathologically low T? Go to an endocrinologist. Or do you simply want better performance/muscle growth or something? Forget all that stuff, testosterone is the real deal, the only real deal out there.
The only thing the discussed substances may do, is correct some deficiencies (even that is not proven beyond doubt AFAIK), which is not worthwhile if you're healthy.


Not really... nor went to check my blood or something... Just stumbled upon a list of low testosterone
symptoms and got me worried, lol I am only 18 years :)
I think that exercises and a good diet of zinc and protein is enough for me

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Posted 25 August 2008 - 02:52 AM

Do you have pathologically low T? Go to an endocrinologist. Or do you simply want better performance/muscle growth or something? Forget all that stuff, testosterone is the real deal, the only real deal out there.
The only thing the discussed substances may do, is correct some deficiencies (even that is not proven beyond doubt AFAIK), which is not worthwhile if you're healthy.


Not really... nor went to check my blood or something... Just stumbled upon a list of low testosterone
symptoms and got me worried, lol I am only 18 years :)
I think that exercises and a good diet of zinc and protein is enough for me



I think you should get your levels check to be sure. Low testosterone levels can be a sign of a serious underlying problem, especially at your age.

Edited by luv2increase, 25 August 2008 - 02:53 AM.


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Posted 25 August 2008 - 01:46 PM

Do you have pathologically low T? Go to an endocrinologist. Or do you simply want better performance/muscle growth or something? Forget all that stuff, testosterone is the real deal, the only real deal out there.
The only thing the discussed substances may do, is correct some deficiencies (even that is not proven beyond doubt AFAIK), which is not worthwhile if you're healthy.


Not really... nor went to check my blood or something... Just stumbled upon a list of low testosterone
symptoms and got me worried, lol I am only 18 years :)
I think that exercises and a good diet of zinc and protein is enough for me



Tribulus
ZMA Before Bed
Monounsaturated Fats
Compound Weight training (5x5 routine works well for this) Think high weight lower reps.
(if not doing a 5x5, aim for at least three sets of the heaviest weight you can push)

And get plenty of sleep. At least 8+ hours per night. Sleeping less can screw up your circadian rhythm.

Do you have sleep apnea by chance?


REST! One day on one day off. Alternating muscle groups. Rest harder then you train.

And as luv2incrase mentioned, get your T levels tested asap. At the very least, this will give you a starting point and then you can track your T levels and what it working for you in raising them.

Edited by jCole, 25 August 2008 - 02:14 PM.


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Posted 25 August 2008 - 02:13 PM

I'll quote what I believe is true and the consensus on every bodybuilding board on earth: "every independant, peer reviewed, human study from the last 8 years shows that tribulus has no chronic effect on test levels." from this discussion
I guess it is backed up by science, but I'm not the one going to try tribulus so it's up to you to look up any studies. I'm just giving you a hint.

Zinc and magnesium will only help if you have low levels of those two minerals, anyway it's a much better investment compared to tribulus.
Sleeping a lot is a pretty interesting approach, not necessarily because of T. A pilot study showed that athletes who slept 10h performed better.

Once again get your T levels checked, then research if there is something that actually works, if you don't want to waste money that is.

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Posted 25 August 2008 - 02:17 PM

I'll quote what I believe is true and the consensus on every bodybuilding board on earth: "every independant, peer reviewed, human study from the last 8 years shows that tribulus has no chronic effect on test levels." from this discussion
I guess it is backed up by science, but I'm not the one going to try tribulus so it's up to you to look up any studies. I'm just giving you a hint.

Zinc and magnesium will only help if you have low levels of those two minerals, anyway it's a much better investment compared to tribulus.
Sleeping a lot is a pretty interesting approach, not necessarily because of T. A pilot study showed that athletes who slept 10h performed better.

Once again get your T levels checked, then research if there is something that actually works, if you don't want to waste money that is.



It helps with libido, by stimulating androgen receptors in the brain, which can in return help T levels. (if having sex of course) Trib, over time and misinformation was pushed as a direct way to raise T levels, which is not true.

From personal experience, it has worked... in terms of increased libido.

Edited by jCole, 25 August 2008 - 02:19 PM.


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Posted 26 August 2008 - 01:10 AM

ZMA has been shown to be total funk as for tribulous, I've never seen a proper study that showed it increased testos. to a statistically significant degree. Please enlighten me.

It's actually saturated fats that are used to produce androgens.

The compound exercise and the sleeping stuff is ok though.

Do you have pathologically low T? Go to an endocrinologist. Or do you simply want better performance/muscle growth or something? Forget all that stuff, testosterone is the real deal, the only real deal out there.
The only thing the discussed substances may do, is correct some deficiencies (even that is not proven beyond doubt AFAIK), which is not worthwhile if you're healthy.


Not really... nor went to check my blood or something... Just stumbled upon a list of low testosterone
symptoms and got me worried, lol I am only 18 years ;)
I think that exercises and a good diet of zinc and protein is enough for me



Tribulus
ZMA Before Bed
Monounsaturated Fats
Compound Weight training (5x5 routine works well for this) Think high weight lower reps.
(if not doing a 5x5, aim for at least three sets of the heaviest weight you can push)

And get plenty of sleep. At least 8+ hours per night. Sleeping less can screw up your circadian rhythm.

Do you have sleep apnea by chance?


REST! One day on one day off. Alternating muscle groups. Rest harder then you train.

And as luv2incrase mentioned, get your T levels tested asap. At the very least, this will give you a starting point and then you can track your T levels and what it working for you in raising them.



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Posted 26 August 2008 - 02:12 AM

REST! One day on one day off. Alternating muscle groups. Rest harder then you train.


I've been training the full-body 6 days a week. Oh no.

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Posted 28 August 2008 - 06:45 PM

Trib has no evidence to support it's claims. And it acts on androgen receptors in the brain? So it binds to ARs on the hypothalamus and thus would inhibit endogenous test production!!! Unless we are purporting some SARM activity. The thing with all these minerals and supplements have clincal ecvidence to boost T levels always seems to occur in people with certain deficiencies. For the general public it won't elicit much effect. Also the amount it raises test is insginifcant for the most part. And remember the body is a complex system with many checks and balances. You try to boost testosterone(assumingly to supraphysiological levels) and the body responds by increasing albumin and/or SHBG to render testosterone inactive.

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Posted 01 September 2008 - 11:05 AM

Also make sure you are sleeping adequately and getting bright light in your eyes when you wake up (try to get this bright light in your eyes as early as possible). This is from a study that showed that a 10,000 lux lamp shone into the eyes of young healthy men at 6am raised testosterone levels by a very significant amount. It also raised serotonin and dopamine which is also a postive effect.


Does anyone know how long the increase in luteinizing hormone lasted in the below study? I mean if it was only increased for a short time after the bright light exposure, is it really useful? On the other hand, if the levels were raised all day long then that would be something :) ...

http://www.scienceda...30421084040.htm

Bright Light Exposure Increases Male Hormone
ScienceDaily (Apr. 21, 2003) — Researchers at the University of California, San Diego (UCSD) School of Medicine have found that the levels of a pituitary hormone that increases testosterone are enhanced after exposure to bright light in the early morning. The findings suggest that light exposure might serve some of the same functions for which people take testosterone and other androgens.

One of the study's authors, Daniel Kripke, M.D. UCSD professor of psychiatry, added "the study also supports data that bright light can trigger ovulation in women, which is also controlled by luteinizing hormone (LH), the pituitary hormone we studied."

Published in the current issue of the journal Neuroscience Letters (341, 2003, 25-28), the study looked at LH excretion following bright light exposure (1,000 lux) from 5-6 a.m. each morning for five days in 11 healthy men ages 19-30. The same group of men had their LH measured again after exposure to a placebo light (less than 10 lux) from 5-6 a.m. for five days.

The researchers found that LH levels were increased 69.5 percent after bright light exposure in the early morning.

The researchers also measured levels of melatonin, a hormone whose secretion is elevated in darkness at night, and inhibited by light. Previous studies in animals had indicated that melatonin secretion might inhibit the effects of light on LH. However, the UCSD team did not find such evidence in humans.

"This finding suggests that in humans, the duration of melatonin secretion may be less important in mediating light effects on LH secretion," said Shawn Youngstedt, Ph.D., UCSD assistant project scientist and one of the paper's authors.

Previous studies by the Kripke group and others have shown that bright light exposure helps alleviate the symptoms of depression. According to the study's authors, sexual dysfunction such as loss of libido and decreased sexual activity, which are known depressive symptoms as well as side effects of newly developed antidepressants, may be helped by bright light exposure.

"The effects of bright light exposure on the LH secretion of normal volunteers should be replicated in depressed patients to elucidate the therapeutic effect of light exposure on the decreased LH levels and sexual dysfunctions of depression," the authors stated in the paper.

The paper's first author was In-Young Yoon, M.D., Ph.D., formerly a visiting scholar at UCSD and currently an assistant professor, Seoul National University School of Medicine, Korea. Jeffrey A. Elliott, Ph.D., UCSD associate research scientist was also an author on the paper. The study was supported by the National Institutes of Health.


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Posted 01 September 2008 - 11:23 AM

You can try looking at this site http://www.ergogenics.org/548.html
The comments are in Dutch but if you click on the article you end up with mostly English studies

Among others you can try(according to them)
- SAM-e
- resveratrol
- not Tribulus terrestris but Tribulus alatus
- Ginko
- l-Arginine (my favorite)
- porn???

Cheers,

Simon

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Posted 01 September 2008 - 12:25 PM

Also make sure you are sleeping adequately and getting bright light in your eyes when you wake up (try to get this bright light in your eyes as early as possible). This is from a study that showed that a 10,000 lux lamp shone into the eyes of young healthy men at 6am raised testosterone levels by a very significant amount. It also raised serotonin and dopamine which is also a postive effect.


Does anyone know how long the increase in luteinizing hormone lasted in the below study? I mean if it was only increased for a short time after the bright light exposure, is it really useful? On the other hand, if the levels were raised all day long then that would be something :) ...

http://www.scienceda...30421084040.htm


It's a pretty cool article. BLT apparently also raises serotonin. I think I have the full ver. somewhere around here, PM if you're interested.

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Posted 02 September 2008 - 06:19 PM

Also make sure you are sleeping adequately and getting bright light in your eyes when you wake up (try to get this bright light in your eyes as early as possible). This is from a study that showed that a 10,000 lux lamp shone into the eyes of young healthy men at 6am raised testosterone levels by a very significant amount. It also raised serotonin and dopamine which is also a postive effect.


Does anyone know how long the increase in luteinizing hormone lasted in the below study? I mean if it was only increased for a short time after the bright light exposure, is it really useful? On the other hand, if the levels were raised all day long then that would be something :) ...

http://www.scienceda...30421084040.htm


It's a pretty cool article. BLT apparently also raises serotonin. I think I have the full ver. somewhere around here, PM if you're interested.



BLT? Bacon, Lettuce, & Tomato? Bright Light Treatment/Therapy? Blue Light Therapy?

Thanks!

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Posted 03 September 2008 - 10:06 AM

Also make sure you are sleeping adequately and getting bright light in your eyes when you wake up (try to get this bright light in your eyes as early as possible). This is from a study that showed that a 10,000 lux lamp shone into the eyes of young healthy men at 6am raised testosterone levels by a very significant amount. It also raised serotonin and dopamine which is also a postive effect.


Does anyone know how long the increase in luteinizing hormone lasted in the below study? I mean if it was only increased for a short time after the bright light exposure, is it really useful? On the other hand, if the levels were raised all day long then that would be something :) ...

http://www.scienceda...30421084040.htm


It's a pretty cool article. BLT apparently also raises serotonin. I think I have the full ver. somewhere around here, PM if you're interested.



BLT? Bacon, Lettuce, & Tomato? Bright Light Treatment/Therapy? Blue Light Therapy?

Thanks!


The first one is right, it stands for Bacon, Lettuce and Tomato. It seems, according to the link, that these three ingredients activate delicious receptors in the brain leading to various positive effects. I think there must be some sort of chemical synergy between these foods that does it.

Cool huh?




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