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#1 desperate788

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Posted 24 August 2008 - 03:13 PM


People generally use nootropics to be smarter but in my situation, I have a brain that is exhausted because of over and over working. I have tried different approaches 1) eating brain healthy foods 2) Exercising (I could do this for 3 months, hasn't seen remarkable benefit) 3) nootropics like piracetam (piracetam is of some valuable benefit) 4) Music therapy (brainwave recordings etc) None of these gave me the desired recovery. What specific supplement would you suggest for a very tired brain?

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Posted 24 August 2008 - 05:28 PM

People generally use nootropics to be smarter but in my situation, I have a brain that is exhausted because of over and over working. I have tried different approaches 1) eating brain healthy foods 2) Exercising (I could do this for 3 months, hasn't seen remarkable benefit) 3) nootropics like piracetam (piracetam is of some valuable benefit) 4) Music therapy (brainwave recordings etc) None of these gave me the desired recovery. What specific supplement would you suggest for a very tired brain?



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Posted 24 August 2008 - 08:27 PM

People generally use nootropics to be smarter but in my situation, I have a brain that is exhausted because of over and over working. I have tried different approaches 1) eating brain healthy foods 2) Exercising (I could do this for 3 months, hasn't seen remarkable benefit) 3) nootropics like piracetam (piracetam is of some valuable benefit) 4) Music therapy (brainwave recordings etc) None of these gave me the desired recovery. What specific supplement would you suggest for a very tired brain?

A 2-week holiday as a minimum. 3+ weeks is needed for me to really unwind and to forget what day of ther week it is. Give yourself somo time off, you're not a machine.

Edited by platypus, 24 August 2008 - 08:28 PM.


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Posted 24 August 2008 - 08:28 PM

You need stress management approaches. What is your sleep like? What kind of exercise are you doing?

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Posted 24 August 2008 - 09:08 PM

All sound advice thus far but what comes across from your post is that you are constantly over-thinking which is the cause in itself rather than a by-product of your life-style or diet/supplementation.
TBH The type of exercise is not significant in itself but if you're performing largely aerobic then try anaerobic and vice versa. For me it's weights, for others its running.

Adaptogens are useful but ashwagandha is more useful for stress-management for most Rhodiola can be more stimulating etc they are not all going to suit you, worthy of investigation.

Have you always been a bit intense/compulsive? or have any recent event amplified you response to events?

I should point out, I'm not a doctor, councellor or anything else, just trying to cut through to the roor cause.

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Posted 24 August 2008 - 09:09 PM

People generally use nootropics to be smarter but in my situation, I have a brain that is exhausted because of over and over working. I have tried different approaches 1) eating brain healthy foods 2) Exercising (I could do this for 3 months, hasn't seen remarkable benefit) 3) nootropics like piracetam (piracetam is of some valuable benefit) 4) Music therapy (brainwave recordings etc) None of these gave me the desired recovery. What specific supplement would you suggest for a very tired brain?



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What "adaptogens" do you recommend?

Wikipedia is devoid of its typical critical analysis on this topic. Have you seen any well designed clinical study of this? (I'm not doubting your recommendation, just curious as to your experience/evidence)

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Posted 24 August 2008 - 09:14 PM

TBH The type of exercise is not significant in itself but if you're performing largely aerobic then try anaerobic and vice versa. For me it's weights, for others its running.


The type might not be that important, but the intensity probably is. There does seem to be more evidence for aerobic exercise, but there has also been a bias toward aerobic exercise in the medical community.

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Posted 24 August 2008 - 09:59 PM

People generally use nootropics to be smarter but in my situation, I have a brain that is exhausted because of over and over working. I have tried different approaches 1) eating brain healthy foods 2) Exercising (I could do this for 3 months, hasn't seen remarkable benefit) 3) nootropics like piracetam (piracetam is of some valuable benefit) 4) Music therapy (brainwave recordings etc) None of these gave me the desired recovery. What specific supplement would you suggest for a very tired brain?



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What "adaptogens" do you recommend?

Wikipedia is devoid of its typical critical analysis on this topic. Have you seen any well designed clinical study of this? (I'm not doubting your recommendation, just curious as to your experience/evidence)



I recommend you try a mixture of ashwagandha, bacopa, and rhodiola. Take each of them on their own at different parts of the day.

For instance;

1. Upon waking on an empty stomach take Ashwagandha

2. Midday on an empty stomach take Rhodiola

3. Late day on an empty stomach take Bacopa

You could interchange 1 and 2 to see what works best for you.


Do they work in studies? Of course. Here is a link: http://scholar.googl...amp;btnG=Search

HAPPY READING AND GOOD LUCK!

Edited by luv2increase, 24 August 2008 - 09:59 PM.


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Posted 25 August 2008 - 11:57 AM

People generally use nootropics to be smarter but in my situation, I have a brain that is exhausted because of over and over working. I have tried different approaches 1) eating brain healthy foods 2) Exercising (I could do this for 3 months, hasn't seen remarkable benefit) 3) nootropics like piracetam (piracetam is of some valuable benefit) 4) Music therapy (brainwave recordings etc) None of these gave me the desired recovery. What specific supplement would you suggest for a very tired brain?



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thanks, Rhodiola is on my list.

#10 desperate788

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Posted 25 August 2008 - 12:07 PM

People generally use nootropics to be smarter but in my situation, I have a brain that is exhausted because of over and over working. I have tried different approaches 1) eating brain healthy foods 2) Exercising (I could do this for 3 months, hasn't seen remarkable benefit) 3) nootropics like piracetam (piracetam is of some valuable benefit) 4) Music therapy (brainwave recordings etc) None of these gave me the desired recovery. What specific supplement would you suggest for a very tired brain?

A 2-week holiday as a minimum. 3+ weeks is needed for me to really unwind and to forget what day of ther week it is. Give yourself somo time off, you're not a machine.


This situation is complicated, my brain just doesn't stop. I mean it's something that I can't control.

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Posted 25 August 2008 - 12:13 PM

You need stress management approaches. What is your sleep like? What kind of exercise are you doing?


I sleep 12 hours a day, unfortunately. I was running for half an hour but I stopped doing that, couldn't see much benefit. Stress was always an issue for me, I'm a very stressful person, this tends to make your brain ill. İt may sound interesting to you, for stress and its bad effects on brain health I regularly eat oatmeal. It is a natural source of gaba.

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Posted 25 August 2008 - 12:29 PM

All sound advice thus far but what comes across from your post is that you are constantly over-thinking which is the cause in itself rather than a by-product of your life-style or diet/supplementation.
TBH The type of exercise is not significant in itself but if you're performing largely aerobic then try anaerobic and vice versa. For me it's weights, for others its running.

Adaptogens are useful but ashwagandha is more useful for stress-management for most Rhodiola can be more stimulating etc they are not all going to suit you, worthy of investigation.

Have you always been a bit intense/compulsive? or have any recent event amplified you response to events?

I should point out, I'm not a doctor, councellor or anything else, just trying to cut through to the roor cause.

Sentinel


Thanks for the reply. Yes over thinking in a way I can't control is my problem. I still couldn't find the solution. This is the reason why my brain is exhausted, even my libido has gone. That could give a hint about how serious my situation is. I just can't find the thing that will give a boost to my brain. MY daily supplement regime is so..2,4 mg piracetam, 30 mg nicergoline, 500 mg omega3, b complex 50, 400 mg vitamin e..I also use 10 mg zyprexa and prozac, these are not for mental fatigue though. As a reminder I was diagnosed with ocd once a time, And I still have some symptoms of ocd.

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Posted 25 August 2008 - 12:30 PM

People generally use nootropics to be smarter but in my situation, I have a brain that is exhausted because of over and over working. I have tried different approaches 1) eating brain healthy foods 2) Exercising (I could do this for 3 months, hasn't seen remarkable benefit) 3) nootropics like piracetam (piracetam is of some valuable benefit) 4) Music therapy (brainwave recordings etc) None of these gave me the desired recovery. What specific supplement would you suggest for a very tired brain?



ADAPTOGENS


What "adaptogens" do you recommend?

Wikipedia is devoid of its typical critical analysis on this topic. Have you seen any well designed clinical study of this? (I'm not doubting your recommendation, just curious as to your experience/evidence)



I recommend you try a mixture of ashwagandha, bacopa, and rhodiola. Take each of them on their own at different parts of the day.

For instance;

1. Upon waking on an empty stomach take Ashwagandha

2. Midday on an empty stomach take Rhodiola

3. Late day on an empty stomach take Bacopa

You could interchange 1 and 2 to see what works best for you.


Do they work in studies? Of course. Here is a link: http://scholar.googl...amp;btnG=Search

HAPPY READING AND GOOD LUCK!


Thank you

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Posted 25 August 2008 - 12:36 PM

All sound advice thus far but what comes across from your post is that you are constantly over-thinking which is the cause in itself rather than a by-product of your life-style or diet/supplementation.
TBH The type of exercise is not significant in itself but if you're performing largely aerobic then try anaerobic and vice versa. For me it's weights, for others its running.

Adaptogens are useful but ashwagandha is more useful for stress-management for most Rhodiola can be more stimulating etc they are not all going to suit you, worthy of investigation.

Have you always been a bit intense/compulsive? or have any recent event amplified you response to events?

I should point out, I'm not a doctor, councellor or anything else, just trying to cut through to the roor cause.

Sentinel


Thanks for the reply. Yes over thinking in a way I can't control is my problem. I still couldn't find the solution. This is the reason why my brain is exhausted, even my libido has gone. That could give a hint about how serious my situation is. I just can't find the thing that will give a boost to my brain. MY daily supplement regime is so..2,4 mg piracetam, 30 mg nicergoline, 500 mg omega3, b complex 50, 400 mg vitamin e..I also use 10 mg zyprexa and prozac, these are not for mental fatigue though. As a reminder I was diagnosed with ocd once a time, And I still have some symptoms of ocd.


My combination includes gotu cola and lecithin also. I forgot to write.

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Posted 25 August 2008 - 01:49 PM

Hi desperate,

you might want to reconsider the intake of prozac & zyprexa (together with your doctor).
SSRI (prozac) can cause long-term effects on all aspects of the sexual response cycle that may persist after they are discontinued.
The negative effects on the response cycle can then lead to depression - which have the high potential to exhaust the brain.

Zyprexa is linked to obesity and a tendency to raise blood sugar (among other side effects).


"Persistent sexual dysfunction after discontinuation of selective serotonin reuptake inhibitors.
Csoka A, Bahrick A, Mehtonen OP.

University of Pittsburgh--Medicine, Pittsburgh, PA, USA. csokaA@dom.pitt.edu

INTRODUCTION: Sexual dysfunctions such as low libido, anorgasmia, genital anesthesia, and erectile dysfunction are very common in patients taking selective serotonin reuptake inhibitors (SSRIs). It has been assumed that these side effects always resolve after discontinuing treatment, but recently, four cases were presented in which sexual function did not return to baseline. Here, we describe three more cases. Case #1: A 29-year-old with apparently permanent erectile dysfunction after taking fluoxetine 20 mg once daily for a 4-month period in 1996. Case #2: A 44-year-old male with persistent loss of libido, genital anesthesia, ejaculatory anhedonia, and erectile dysfunction after taking 20-mg once daily citalopram for 18 months. Case #3: A 28-year-old male with persistent loss of libido, genital anesthesia, and ejaculatory anhedonia since taking several different SSRIs over a 2-year period from 2003-2005. RESULTS: No psychological issues related to sexuality were found in any of the three cases, and all common causes of sexual dysfunction such as decreased testosterone, increased prolactin or diabetes were ruled out. Erectile capacity is temporarily restored for Case #1 with injectable alprostadil, and for Case #2 with oral sildenafil, but their other symptoms remain. Case #3 has had some reversal of symptoms with extended-release methylphenidate, although it is not yet known if these prosexual effects will persist when the drug is discontinued. CONCLUSION: SSRIs can cause long-term effects on all aspects of the sexual response cycle that may persist after they are discontinued. Mechanistic hypotheses including persistent endocrine and epigenetic gene expression alterations were briefly discussed.

PMID: 18173768 [PubMed - indexed for MEDLINE]"

"Antidepressant-induced sexual dysfunction.
Gregorian RS, Golden KA, Bahce A, Goodman C, Kwong WJ, Khan ZM.

The Lewin Group, Falls Church, VA 22042, USA.

OBJECTIVE: To review the evidence regarding antidepressant-induced sexual dysfunction and address implications for treatment strategy and health plan coverage policies for antidepressant medications. DATA SOURCES: Primary articles were identified by a MEDLINE and HealthSTAR search to identify English-language studies published between January 1986 and July 2000. Search terms included sexual dysfunction or sexual function and antidepressants, fluoxetine, sertraline, paroxetine, fluvoxamine, citalopram, venlafaxine, nefazodone, bupropion, and mirtazapine. A cross-check of references cited in 10 published reviews yielded additional in-scope articles. STUDY SELECTION AND DATA EXTRACTION: Approximately 200 articles were identified, including 8 randomized controlled trials and numerous open-label studies, case series, and case reports. Of the randomized controlled trials, only 5 were designed to evaluate the incidence of sexual dysfunction associated with antidepressant treatment. Three additional randomized controlled trials included a structured assessment of sexual dysfunction within an efficacy trial. Data extraction excluded case reports, letters, and other limited study designs. A panel survey augmented published reports. DATA SYNTHESIS: Sexual dysfunction is a relatively common adverse effect of many of the antidepressants in common use today. Rates of sexual dysfunction observed in clinical practice may be higher than those reported in the product information for several agents. Selective serotonin-reuptake inhibitors (SSRIs) appear to be the class of antidepressants most likely to cause sexual dysfunction. Published studies suggest that between 30% and 60% of SSRI-treated patients may experience some form of treatment-induced sexual dysfunction. Bupropion and nefazodone appear to be much less likely to cause sexual dysfunction (<or=10% of patients). Mirtazapine also appears to be associated with a low rate of sexual adverse effects. Panel results largely reflect the consensus of the literature. CONCLUSIONS: Sexual dysfunction is a common adverse effect of antidepressant treatment. Physicians should monitor their patients for antidepressant-induced sexual adverse effects, as these may affect compliance with therapy and ultimate treatment success. In addition to the consequences for patient health and well-being, managed-care organizations should be concerned with sexually related adverse effects of antidepressants, insofar as additional healthcare resources may be required to treat depressed patients in whom these adverse effects arise.

PMID: 12243609 [PubMed - indexed for MEDLINE]"


Zyprexa:
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According to a New York Times article published on December 17, 2006,[24] "Eli Lilly has engaged in a decade-long effort to play down the health risks of Zyprexa, its best-selling medication for schizophrenia, according to hundreds of internal Lilly documents and e-mail messages among top company managers", most of which had been disclosed as the result of lawsuits by the mentally ill against the company though some had been stolen.[25] These had been sent to a number of journalists by a lawyer advocate for mentally ill opponents of psychiatric treatment. Eli Lilly filed a protection order to stop the dissemination of certain Eli Lilly documents about Zyprexa which they, and the judge, believed to be confidential and "not generally appropriate for public consumption".[25] Temporary injunctions required those who had been received the documents to return them and that the documents be removed from websites which had posted them.[26] In his final judgement, Judge Weinstein issued a permanent judgement against further dissemination of the documents and requiring their return by a number of parties named by Lilly.[25] These health risks include an increased risk for diabetes through Zyprexa's links to obesity and its tendency to raise blood sugar. Zyprexa is Lilly’s top-selling drug, with sales of $4.2 billion last year.

The documents, given to The New York Times by Jim Gottstein, a lawyer representing mentally ill patients, show that Lilly executives kept important information from doctors about Zyprexa’s links to obesity and its tendency to raise blood sugar — both known risk factors for diabetes. The Times of London also obtained copies of the documents and reported that as early as October 1998, Lilly considered the risk of drug-induced obesity to be a "top threat" to Zyprexa sales.[27] In another document, dated October 9, 2000, senior Lilly research physician Robert Baker noted that an academic advisory board he belonged to was "quite impressed by the magnitude of weight gain on olanzapine and implications for glucose."[27]

Lilly’s own published data, which it told its sales representatives to play down in conversations with doctors, has shown that 30 percent of patients taking Zyprexa gain 22 pounds or more after a year on the drug, another study showed 16% of Zyprexa patients gained at least 30kg (66 pounds) in one year, and some patients have reported gaining 100 pounds or more. But Lilly was concerned that Zyprexa’s sales would be hurt if the company was more forthright about the fact that the drug might cause unmanageable weight gain or diabetes, according to the documents, which cover the period 1995 to 2004. In 2006, Lilly paid $700 million to settle 8,000 lawsuits from people who said they had developed diabetes or other diseases after taking Zyprexa. Thousands more suits are still pending.[28]

In 2002, British and Japanese regulatory agencies warned that Zyprexa may be linked to diabetes, but even after the FDA issued a similar warning in 2003, Lilly did not publicly disclose their own findings.

Eli Lilly agreed on January 4, 2007 to pay up to $500 million to settle 18,000 lawsuits from people who claimed they developed diabetes or other diseases after taking Zyprexa. Including; on January 8, 2007, Judge Jack B. Weinstein refused the Electronic Frontier Foundation's motion to stay his order[29]. The documents can now only be downloaded from public Internet sites outside the US.[30][31][32] earlier settlements over Zyprexa, Lilly has now agreed to pay at least $1.2 billion to 28,500 people who claim they were injured by the drug. At least 1,200 suits are still pending, the company said. About 20 million people worldwide have taken Zyprexa since its introduction in 1996.[33]" (source:http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Olanzapine"

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"Important Safety Information for Olanzapine". Zyprexa package insert. Eli Lilly & Company (2007). Retrieved on 2007-12-03. “Elderly patients with dementia-related psychosis treated with atypical antipsychotic drugs are at an increased risk of death compared to placebo. [...] ZYPREXA® (olanzapine) is not approved for the treatment of elderly patients with dementia-related psychosis.”
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All sound advice thus far but what comes across from your post is that you are constantly over-thinking which is the cause in itself rather than a by-product of your life-style or diet/supplementation.
TBH The type of exercise is not significant in itself but if you're performing largely aerobic then try anaerobic and vice versa. For me it's weights, for others its running.

Adaptogens are useful but ashwagandha is more useful for stress-management for most Rhodiola can be more stimulating etc they are not all going to suit you, worthy of investigation.

Have you always been a bit intense/compulsive? or have any recent event amplified you response to events?

I should point out, I'm not a doctor, councellor or anything else, just trying to cut through to the roor cause.

Sentinel


Thanks for the reply. Yes over thinking in a way I can't control is my problem. I still couldn't find the solution. This is the reason why my brain is exhausted, even my libido has gone. That could give a hint about how serious my situation is. I just can't find the thing that will give a boost to my brain. MY daily supplement regime is so..2,4 mg piracetam, 30 mg nicergoline, 500 mg omega3, b complex 50, 400 mg vitamin e..I also use 10 mg zyprexa and prozac, these are not for mental fatigue though. As a reminder I was diagnosed with ocd once a time, And I still have some symptoms of ocd.



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Posted 25 August 2008 - 02:05 PM

Hi Desperate,

additional Zybrexa information:

"For instance, in February 2006, public health officials in Florida ordered an investigation into why the number of children who are prescribed antipsychotics billed to Medicaid in Florida had nearly doubled in five years, from 9,500 children to almost 18,000.

The lawsuits filed against Lilly to recover the money paid for Zyprexa by state Medicaid programs due to the company's off-label promotion say the drug is being sold for unapproved uses such as anxiety and other mood disorders, sleep disruption, autism, attention deficit disorders, hyperactivity, and dementia.

According to the attorney general of Mississippi, about 10% of Zyprexa patients on Medicaid in that state, have developed diabetes. In fact, the health problems associated with Zyprexa have become so prevalent, that one class action lawsuit is demanding money to cover the medical monitoring of all patients who took Zyprexa but have not yet been diagnosed with high blood sugar, diabetes, or pancreatitis.

Children on Zyprexa are developing life-long injuries. At the annual meeting of the American Academy of Child and Adolescent Psychiatry in Washington, DC, on October 20, 2004, researchers from the Johns Hopkins Children's Center reported that atypical antipsychotics were found to trigger insulin resistance in children. The researchers evaluated 11 children who gained significant amounts of weight while taking the drugs.

Weight gain is a known risk factor that contributes to insulin resistance. Insulin is produced by the pancreas to help cells absorb glucose and provide energy. When resistance occurs, the pancreas tries to keep up with the demand by producing more insulin until it eventually cannot keep up, and excess glucose builds up in the bloodstream which can increase the risk of type-2 diabetes, heart disease, and stroke.

All six children in the John Hopkins study who were on moderate or high doses of an antipsychotic developed symptoms of insulin resistance, and three of the 5 children on low doses did as well.

The study's lead author, Dr Mark Riddle, director of the division of child and adolescent psychiatry at the Center, said, "The insulin resistance seen in these children was greater than what would be expected from weight gain alone, suggesting there is a factor distinct from excess weight that directly induces insulin resistance."

Experts say Zyprexa is poison for some people. According to Dr Louis Caplan, Professor of Neurology at Harvard Medical School, there is overuse of antipsychotics in patients admitted to hospitals. "These drugs," he said, "are often given in high doses to very sick patients in intensive care units or on medical and surgical units," in the February 21, 2006, journal Neurology.

"They cause symptoms and neurological dysfunctions that are a common reason for neurological consultations in the hospital," Dr Caplan warns.

"Old sick people with abnormal brains do not tolerate these drugs well," he says. "In patients with Lewy-body disease and some Parkinsonian syndromes, their use is a disaster, setting patients back for weeks," he warns.

When the FDA approves a drug, it also approves the labeling which explains the manner in which the drug is to be prescribed. While doctors may prescribe drugs as they see fit, its illegal for drug companies to promote drugs for uses outside the labeling.

However, as vividly evidenced here, drug makers do it and get away with it all the time and the leaked Lilly documents prove that the US court system is aiding and abetting drug companies in hiding their illegal marketing schemes.

For instance, in one article, the Times quotes a sealed document that served as a script for a company meeting in 2001, where a Mr Bandick praised sales representatives for the number of new Zyprexa prescriptions they got doctors to write. According to the script, more than 100 representatives convinced doctors to write at least 16 extra prescriptions.

The legal battle over the documents began in December 2006, when Dr David Egilman, provided the documents to Alaskan attorney, Jim Gottstein, and Mr Gottstein turned them over to Alex Berenson, a reporter for the New York Times.

Dr Egilman first learned about Lilly's illegal conduct when he reviewed the documents a few years back as an expert witness in the Zyprexa litigation. However, when Lilly was successful in the settling the cases out of court, Dr Egilman was forcibly silenced because the court allowed Lilly to continue to keep the documents hidden with a protective order.

As soon as the articles began to appear in the New York Times, describing an off-label marketing scheme called, "Viva Zyprexa," Lilly got a judge to issue a mandatory temporary injunction on December 18, 2006, ordering Mr Gottstein to return the documents and list the names of everyone he disclosed them to or discussed them with.

After he supplied the list, Lilly got the court to issue a second temporary injunction on December 29, 2006, to prohibit the dissemination of the documents by Terrie Gottstein, Jerry Winchester, Dr Peter Breggin, Dr Grace Jackson, Dr David Cohen, Bruce Whittington, Dr Stefan Kruszewski, Laura Ziegler, Judy Chamberlin, Vera Sherav, Robert Whitaker, and Will Hall.

The above list reads like a Big Pharma hit list. It includes about every well-known expert on the side effects of psychiatric drugs in the US, as well as the journalists and authors who have investigated and written most extensively about the misconduct of drug companies when it comes to the off-label promotion of drugs, and specifically Zyprexa.

Conspicuously absent from the injunction is the New York Times and the reporter who actually used the documents when writing five articles on the matter. Most curious is the fact that Lilly has never even asked the court to issue an injunction for the Times.

On January 3, 2007, a hearing was held on a request by Lilly to extend the temporary injunction, and to force Mr Gottstein to appear in New York City for a deposition within 5 days, as a prelude to charging him with civil and criminal contempt of court for publicizing the documents.

As a result of that hearing, several more entities were added to the injunction list including Eric Whalen and his web site at www.joysoup.net; the MindFreedom web site at www.mindfreedom.org, and the Alliance for Human Research Protection (AHRP) web sites at www.ahrp.org and www.ahrp.blogspot.com.

Once again, the Times and Alex Berenson were not added, and in fact, during the hearing, Judge Jack Weinstein said he was not about to issue an injunction against the Times.

By its own estimate in the media, Lilly produced approximately 11 million documents in discovery for Zyprexa litigation thus far, and has designated them all confidential pursuant to Case Management Order 3, a protective order entered on August 9, 2004.

When issuing CMO-3, the court gave Lilly the right to designate documents confidential, as long as Lilly "in good faith" believed that they were. However legal experts say the secret documents at issue here never should have been covered by a protective order.

According to attorneys in the case, in entering CMO-3, the court did not articulate the reasons why a protective order was necessary or set forth any criteria to use when determining whether a document was actually confidential and deserving of protection.

Yet instead of keeping the focus on why the 11 million documents were ever permitted to remain hidden in the first place, Judge Weinstein is allowing Lilly to hammer away at the messengers who gave the documents to the press, after deciding that the information needed to be circulated before more people were injured and killed.

In a January 17, 2007, hearing, Mr Gottstein was asked: "In this particular case involving Zyprexa, at the time you subpoenaed Dr. Egilman, had you the impression that Eli Lilly had deliberately withheld from the public and from physicians adverse side effects of Zyprexa?"

He answered: "Absolutely."

Mr Gottstein was then asked whether it was his impression that there were thousands of cases of harm to people from Zyprexa, while Lilly was in the process of settling cases out of court, and he said yes and that was why he wanted the documents out there "to protect people from this drug."

He had nothing to gain personally by providing the documents the Times. Mr Gottstein testified that he does not represent clients who were injured by Zyprexa for money damages and that his sole interest was protecting patients.

On January 25, 2007, in response to a request for Dr Egilman to appear at a deposition in preparation for Lilly to file civil and criminal contempt of court charges against him, though his attorney, Dr Egilman informed Lilly's legal team that he will refuse to testify under the protection of the Fifth Amendment.

A number of persons restrained by the injunction have obtained attorneys to file briefs with First Amendment arguments including the public's right to know what is in the documents and some people appeared at the last court hearing.

Ms Sharav and Dr Cohen point out in their brief, that they are not ex-employees of Lilly who have stolen trade secrets. They are merely a public health advocate and a professor who seek to share Lilly's own words with the public and they view exposing the information that "Lilly wants so desperately to keep hidden" as their primary public role.

Ms Sharav testified at the January 17, 2007, hearing, and when asked why she was interested in the documents by a Lilly attorney, said because they document the fact that Lilly knew in 2000, that Zyprexa caused diabetes, "from a group of doctors that they hired who told them you have to come clean."

"And instead of warning doctors who are widely prescribing the drug," she testified, "Eli Lilly set about in an aggressive marketing campaign to primary doctors."

"Little children are being given this drug," she said, "Little children are being exposed to horrific diseases that end their lives shorter."

"Now, I consider that a major crime," she stated, "to continue to conceal these facts from the public is I think really not in the public interest. This is a safety issue."

Lilly's attorney asked the court to strike her comments from the record but the request was denied."
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source: http://www.sott.net/...ps Ticking Away

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From the New York Times:

"Zyprexa is the brand name for olanzapine, a potent chemical that binds to receptors in the brain to reduce psychotic hallucinations and delusions. Clinical trials show that in many patients, Zyprexa also causes severe weight gain and increases in cholesterol and blood sugar.

Documents provided to The New York Times last month by a lawyer who represents mentally ill patients show that Lilly played down the risks of Zyprexa to doctors as the drug's sales soared after its introduction in 1996. The internal documents show that in Lilly's clinical trials, 16 percent of people taking Zyprexa gained more than 66 pounds after a year on the drug, a far higher figure than the company disclosed to doctors.

The documents also show that Lilly marketed the drug as appropriate for patients who did not meet accepted diagnoses of schizophrenia or bipolar disorder, Zyprexa's only approved uses. By law, drug makers may promote their drugs only for diseases for which the Food and Drug Administration has found the medicines to be safe and effective, though doctors may prescribe drugs in any way they see fit.

In response to questions about the information in the documents, Lilly has denied any wrongdoing and said it provided all relevant information to doctors and the F.D.A. Lilly has also said it did not promote Zyprexa for conditions other than schizophrenia or bipolar disorder.

In 2004, a panel of the American Diabetes Association found that Zyprexa caused diabetes more than other widely used antipsychotic drugs, in part because it tends to cause much more weight gain. But the F.D.A. has never made a similar finding. Instead, the F.D.A. added a warning in 2003 to the label of Zyprexa and other new antipsychotic drugs about their tendency to cause high blood sugar. "
[...]

Source:http://query.nytimes.com/gst/fullpage.html?sec=health&res=9F00E5DB1430F936A35752C0A9619C8B63

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Case I: Zyprexa leads to diabetes
Eli Lilly began informing doctors and patients of some serious potential side effects to taking Zyprexa in 2003. Zyprexa, a drug used to treat schizophrenia and bipolar disorder, was found to cause weight gain and high blood sugar, and thus has been linked to diabetes. Since the drug’s introduction, more than 20 million people worldwide have taken Zyprexa. As of January 2007, Lilly has made $1.2 billion in payments to 28,000 people who had taken Zyprexa and filed product liability suits.(1) Lilly could have notified doctors and patients of issues with Zyprexa at least five years earlier.

Eli Lilly started selling Zyprexa in 1996. Internal Lilly memos and emails show that the company understated the risks associated with Zyprexa for at least five years, between 1998 and 2003. In these years Lilly became increasingly aware of the links between Zyprexa and weight gain, high blood sugar, and diabetes. An October 1998 in-house Lilly document notes that weight gain is a "top threat" from Zyprexa. Lilly internal documents in 1999 show concern about Zyprexa’s side effects harming the drug’s "long-term success." In November of 1999, Lilly chose to disclose the less damaging data, that 30% of patients taking the medication gained 22 pounds, but not the more damaging data that 16% of patients gained 66 pounds after a year on Zyprexa.(2)

In 2000, Lilly had an internal discussion about a possible label change for Zyprexa. This label change would have alerted doctors and patients to the risk of high blood sugar. An internal Lilly panel advised, "unless we come clean on this, it could get much more serious than we might anticipate." Lilly ultimately decided not to modify the label at the time.

Moreover, Lilly continued to aggressively market Zyprexa. For instance the New York Times reports that in 2002:

"Lilly did expand its marketing to primary care physicians, who—its internal studies showed—were less aware of Zyprexa’s side effects. Lilly sales material encouraged representatives to promote Zyprexa as a ‘safe, gentle psychotropic’ suitable for people with mild mental illness."(3)

The Viva Zyprexa and Zyprexa Limitless marketing campaigns are under investigation by the government for allegedly marketing Zyprexa illegally for dementia and depression. Drug companies are not permitted to market drugs for off-label use, which is marketing for illnesses not included in the FDA approval for the use of the drug.(4)

When Lilly finally decided to disclose the ill effects of its medication in 2003, this change in position did not reflect a sudden rebirth of corporate conscience. Lilly’s studies showed that psychiatrists were noticing patients who were developing high blood sugar or diabetes while on Zyprexa.(5)

In 2003 the FDA required the addition of a warning label to Zyprexa and others in its class of antipsychotic drugs indicating their links to diabetes. In 2004 the American Diabetes Association, the American Psychiatric Association, the American Association of Clinical Endocrinologists, and the North American Association for the Study of Obesity released a report on Zyprexa and its peer antipsychotic medications. Amongst the findings was that that Zyprexa was more likely to cause diabetes than other drugs for schizophrenia.(6)

Lilly disputes reporting about its internal documents.(7) A company statement argues that select documents were leaked by lawyers filing suit out of a record of 11 million pages; the statement further contends these documents are unrepresentative of Lilly’s behavior.(8) In 2006, Zyprexa generated over $4 billion in revenue for Lilly, accounting for just under one third of the total revenues for the company.

Zyprexa has not been removed from the market. There are those who argue that its benefits exceed the risks it poses. This may be the case; however those who make such deliberations should have ready access to all the relevant information and the patients who use Zyprexa should be properly informed about what they are ingesting.

(1) Alex Berenson "Lilly Settles With 18,000 Over Zyprexa" New York Times, January 5, 2007
(2) Alex Berenson "Eli Lilly Said to Play Down Risk of Top Pill" New York Times, December 17, 2006
(3) Ibid.
(4) Alex Berenson "Drug Files Show Maker Promoted Unapproved Use" New York Times, December 18, 2006
(5) Alex Berenson "Eli Lilly Said to Play Down Risk of Top Pill" New York Times, December 17, 2006
(6) Nathanial G. Clark "Consensus Development Conference on Antipsychotic Drugs and Obesity and Diabetes" Diabetes Care 27, February 2004. p. 596 (Link)
(7) Robin Pagnamenta "Eli Lilly was concerned by Zyprexa side-effects from 1998" the Times (UK), January 23, 2007
(8) Ibid."
[...]

Source:http://www.dailykos.com/story/2007/10/15/165958/44

Cheers

Alex




All sound advice thus far but what comes across from your post is that you are constantly over-thinking which is the cause in itself rather than a by-product of your life-style or diet/supplementation.
TBH The type of exercise is not significant in itself but if you're performing largely aerobic then try anaerobic and vice versa. For me it's weights, for others its running.

Adaptogens are useful but ashwagandha is more useful for stress-management for most Rhodiola can be more stimulating etc they are not all going to suit you, worthy of investigation.

Have you always been a bit intense/compulsive? or have any recent event amplified you response to events?

I should point out, I'm not a doctor, councellor or anything else, just trying to cut through to the roor cause.

Sentinel


Thanks for the reply. Yes over thinking in a way I can't control is my problem. I still couldn't find the solution. This is the reason why my brain is exhausted, even my libido has gone. That could give a hint about how serious my situation is. I just can't find the thing that will give a boost to my brain. MY daily supplement regime is so..2,4 mg piracetam, 30 mg nicergoline, 500 mg omega3, b complex 50, 400 mg vitamin e..I also use 10 mg zyprexa and prozac, these are not for mental fatigue though. As a reminder I was diagnosed with ocd once a time, And I still have some symptoms of ocd.



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Posted 25 August 2008 - 02:09 PM

Desperate,

one final - additional information regarding Prozac (fluoxetine) from www.drugs.com

"Fluoxetine is an antidepressant in a group of drugs called selective serotonin reuptake inhibitors (SSRIs). Fluoxetine affects chemicals in the brain that may become unbalanced and cause depression, panic, anxiety, or obsessive-compulsive symptoms."

Cheers

Alex

Source:http://www.drugs.com/fluoxetine.html

People generally use nootropics to be smarter but in my situation, I have a brain that is exhausted because of over and over working. I have tried different approaches 1) eating brain healthy foods 2) Exercising (I could do this for 3 months, hasn't seen remarkable benefit) 3) nootropics like piracetam (piracetam is of some valuable benefit) 4) Music therapy (brainwave recordings etc) None of these gave me the desired recovery. What specific supplement would you suggest for a very tired brain?



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Posted 25 August 2008 - 02:14 PM

You might want to look on the following website :http://noprozac.blogspot.com/ (Prozac Causes Depression )

Cheers

Alex

People generally use nootropics to be smarter but in my situation, I have a brain that is exhausted because of over and over working. I have tried different approaches 1) eating brain healthy foods 2) Exercising (I could do this for 3 months, hasn't seen remarkable benefit) 3) nootropics like piracetam (piracetam is of some valuable benefit) 4) Music therapy (brainwave recordings etc) None of these gave me the desired recovery. What specific supplement would you suggest for a very tired brain?



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People generally use nootropics to be smarter but in my situation, I have a brain that is exhausted because of over and over working. I have tried different approaches 1) eating brain healthy foods 2) Exercising (I could do this for 3 months, hasn't seen remarkable benefit) 3) nootropics like piracetam (piracetam is of some valuable benefit) 4) Music therapy (brainwave recordings etc) None of these gave me the desired recovery. What specific supplement would you suggest for a very tired brain?


Consider making lifestyle changes to help reduce what is causing exhaustion. I have to do the same, and it's not very clear with the demands of any career. I think long term it may be possible if I really explore enough options.

As mentioned, adaptogens may be of help, but you've got to be careful with these if stress is a big part of the problem. In my experience, adaptogens can make me more anxious, and also negatively impact focus. Conversely, substances that tend to improve focus for me like stimulants can also lower anxiety and stress. Definitely give the adaptogens a try, as you may be totally different though. I also recommend trying kava.

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Posted 25 August 2008 - 09:01 PM

It's REALLY Important that you state use of significant medication. I take it everything you are taking is under the observation of the same MD? Your first post hinted at ocd hence the question.

Chap this is nothing you can't get past. As discussed try the different exercise types, and as Shepard alluded to, go for intensity. Really wear yourself out! It's all good, one day you'll wake up chilled and buff ;)

Careful with the adaptogens, focus on the de-stress, mindcalming ones like ashwaghanda and theanine would be worth looking at either in supplement or by just drinking green tea. There's nothing wrong with a fast mind, you just need to keep up with it ;-)

Sentinel

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Posted 25 August 2008 - 09:17 PM

Careful with the adaptogens

Sentinel



Why would one have to be careful with adaptogens? They are in the same boat as nootropics with regards to safety and toxicity.

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Posted 26 August 2008 - 08:47 AM

Careful with the adaptogens

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Why would one have to be careful with adaptogens? They are in the same boat as nootropics with regards to safety and toxicity.


Only inasmuch as they have very different effects, despite being lumped under a collective title. One needs to be careful when looking at the individual effects and mechanisms of each adaptogen and any contraindications they might have with any meds you are taking. Which is not to say that they are unsafe, toxic etc just not all of them will be good for every situation.

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Posted 26 August 2008 - 11:54 AM

Kava (Piper methysticum) can be very toxic to the liver - and there is no safe dose of kava! You might want to stay away from it!

Below you'll find an extract from wiki:


"Liver damage incidents and regulation

In 2001 concerns were raised about the safety of commercial kava products. [13] There have been allegations of severe liver toxicity, including liver failure in some people who had used dietary supplements containing kava extract (but not in anyone who had drunk kava the traditional way). Out of the 50 people worldwide taking kava pills and extracts that have had some type of problem, almost all of them had been mixing them with alcohol and pills that could have effects on the liver.[13] The fact that different kava strains have slightly different chemical composition made testing for toxicity difficult as well.

The possibility of liver damage consequently prompted action of many regulatory agencies in European countries where the legal precautionary principle so mandated. In the UK, the Medicines for Human Use (Kava-kava) (Prohibition) Order 2002 prohibits the sale, supply or import of most derivative medicinal products. Kava is banned in Switzerland, France and The Netherlands[14]. The health agency of Canada issued a stop-sale order for kava in 2002. But legislation in 2004 made the legal status of kava uncertain. The United States CDC has released a report[15] expressing reservations about the use of kava and its possibly adverse side effects (specifically severe liver toxicity), as has the Food and Drug Administration (FDA).[16] The Australian Therapeutic Goods Administration has recommended that no more than 250 mg of kavalactones be taken in a 24 hour period.[17] According to the Medicines Control Agency in the U.K., there is no safe dose of kava, as there is no way to predict which individuals would have adverse reactions.[18]"
source: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kava

And several extracts from Pubmed:

"Hepatocellular toxicity of kava leaf and root extracts.
Lüde S, Török M, Dieterle S, Jäggi R, Büter KB, Krähenbühl S.

Division of Clinical Pharmacology & Toxicology, Department of Research, University Hospital, CH-4031 Basel, Switzerland.

Kava extracts are used widely for different purposes and were thought to be safe. Recently, several cases of hepatotoxicity have been published. To explore possible mechanisms of kava hepatotoxicity, we prepared and analyzed three different kava extracts (a methanolic and an acetonic root and a methanolic leaf extract), and investigated their toxicity on HepG2 cells and isolated rat liver mitochondria. All three extracts showed cytotoxicity starting at a concentration of 50 microg/ml (lactate dehydrogenase leakage) or 1 microg/ml (MTT test). The mitochondrial membrane potential was decreased (root extracts starting at 50 microg/ml) and the respiratory chain inhibited and uncoupled (root extracts) or only uncoupled (leaf extract) at 150 microg/ml, and mitochondrial beta-oxidation was inhibited by all extracts starting at 100 microg/ml. The ratio oxidized to reduced glutathione was increased in HepG2 cells, whereas the cellular ATP content was maintained. Induction of apoptosis was demonstrated by all extracts at a concentration of 150 microg/ml. These results indicate that the kava extracts are toxic to mitochondria, leading to inhibition of the respiratory chain, increased ROS production, a decrease in the mitochondrial membrane potential and eventually to apoptosis of exposed cells. In predisposed patients, mitochondrial toxicity of kava extract may explain hepatic adverse reactions of this drug.

PMID: 18055189 [PubMed - indexed for MEDLINE]"

"Toxicity of kava kava.
Fu PP, Xia Q, Guo L, Yu H, Chan PC.

National Center for Toxicological Research, Jefferson, Arkansas 72079, USA. peter.fu@fda.hhs.gov

Kava is a traditional beverage of various Pacific Basin countries. Kava has been introduced into the mainstream U.S. market principally as an anti-anxiety preparation. The effects of the long-term consumption of kava have not been documented adequately. Preliminary studies suggest possible serious organ system effects. The potential carcinogenicity of kava and its principal constituents are unknown. As such, kava extract was nominated for the chronic tumorigenicity bioassay conducted by the National Toxicology Program (NTP). At present toxicological evaluation of kava extract is being conducted by the NTP. The present review focuses on the recent findings on kava toxicity and the mechanisms by which kava induces hepatotoxicity."


Cheers

Alex

People generally use nootropics to be smarter but in my situation, I have a brain that is exhausted because of over and over working. I have tried different approaches 1) eating brain healthy foods 2) Exercising (I could do this for 3 months, hasn't seen remarkable benefit) 3) nootropics like piracetam (piracetam is of some valuable benefit) 4) Music therapy (brainwave recordings etc) None of these gave me the desired recovery. What specific supplement would you suggest for a very tired brain?


Consider making lifestyle changes to help reduce what is causing exhaustion. I have to do the same, and it's not very clear with the demands of any career. I think long term it may be possible if I really explore enough options.

As mentioned, adaptogens may be of help, but you've got to be careful with these if stress is a big part of the problem. In my experience, adaptogens can make me more anxious, and also negatively impact focus. Conversely, substances that tend to improve focus for me like stimulants can also lower anxiety and stress. Definitely give the adaptogens a try, as you may be totally different though. I also recommend trying kava.



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Posted 27 August 2008 - 12:44 PM

Hi desperate,

you might want to reconsider the intake of prozac & zyprexa (together with your doctor).
SSRI (prozac) can cause long-term effects on all aspects of the sexual response cycle that may persist after they are discontinued.
The negative effects on the response cycle can then lead to depression - which have the high potential to exhaust the brain.

Zyprexa is linked to obesity and a tendency to raise blood sugar (among other side effects).


"Persistent sexual dysfunction after discontinuation of selective serotonin reuptake inhibitors.
Csoka A, Bahrick A, Mehtonen OP.

University of Pittsburgh--Medicine, Pittsburgh, PA, USA. csokaA@dom.pitt.edu

INTRODUCTION: Sexual dysfunctions such as low libido, anorgasmia, genital anesthesia, and erectile dysfunction are very common in patients taking selective serotonin reuptake inhibitors (SSRIs). It has been assumed that these side effects always resolve after discontinuing treatment, but recently, four cases were presented in which sexual function did not return to baseline. Here, we describe three more cases. Case #1: A 29-year-old with apparently permanent erectile dysfunction after taking fluoxetine 20 mg once daily for a 4-month period in 1996. Case #2: A 44-year-old male with persistent loss of libido, genital anesthesia, ejaculatory anhedonia, and erectile dysfunction after taking 20-mg once daily citalopram for 18 months. Case #3: A 28-year-old male with persistent loss of libido, genital anesthesia, and ejaculatory anhedonia since taking several different SSRIs over a 2-year period from 2003-2005. RESULTS: No psychological issues related to sexuality were found in any of the three cases, and all common causes of sexual dysfunction such as decreased testosterone, increased prolactin or diabetes were ruled out. Erectile capacity is temporarily restored for Case #1 with injectable alprostadil, and for Case #2 with oral sildenafil, but their other symptoms remain. Case #3 has had some reversal of symptoms with extended-release methylphenidate, although it is not yet known if these prosexual effects will persist when the drug is discontinued. CONCLUSION: SSRIs can cause long-term effects on all aspects of the sexual response cycle that may persist after they are discontinued. Mechanistic hypotheses including persistent endocrine and epigenetic gene expression alterations were briefly discussed.

PMID: 18173768 [PubMed - indexed for MEDLINE]"

"Antidepressant-induced sexual dysfunction.
Gregorian RS, Golden KA, Bahce A, Goodman C, Kwong WJ, Khan ZM.

The Lewin Group, Falls Church, VA 22042, USA.

OBJECTIVE: To review the evidence regarding antidepressant-induced sexual dysfunction and address implications for treatment strategy and health plan coverage policies for antidepressant medications. DATA SOURCES: Primary articles were identified by a MEDLINE and HealthSTAR search to identify English-language studies published between January 1986 and July 2000. Search terms included sexual dysfunction or sexual function and antidepressants, fluoxetine, sertraline, paroxetine, fluvoxamine, citalopram, venlafaxine, nefazodone, bupropion, and mirtazapine. A cross-check of references cited in 10 published reviews yielded additional in-scope articles. STUDY SELECTION AND DATA EXTRACTION: Approximately 200 articles were identified, including 8 randomized controlled trials and numerous open-label studies, case series, and case reports. Of the randomized controlled trials, only 5 were designed to evaluate the incidence of sexual dysfunction associated with antidepressant treatment. Three additional randomized controlled trials included a structured assessment of sexual dysfunction within an efficacy trial. Data extraction excluded case reports, letters, and other limited study designs. A panel survey augmented published reports. DATA SYNTHESIS: Sexual dysfunction is a relatively common adverse effect of many of the antidepressants in common use today. Rates of sexual dysfunction observed in clinical practice may be higher than those reported in the product information for several agents. Selective serotonin-reuptake inhibitors (SSRIs) appear to be the class of antidepressants most likely to cause sexual dysfunction. Published studies suggest that between 30% and 60% of SSRI-treated patients may experience some form of treatment-induced sexual dysfunction. Bupropion and nefazodone appear to be much less likely to cause sexual dysfunction (<or=10% of patients). Mirtazapine also appears to be associated with a low rate of sexual adverse effects. Panel results largely reflect the consensus of the literature. CONCLUSIONS: Sexual dysfunction is a common adverse effect of antidepressant treatment. Physicians should monitor their patients for antidepressant-induced sexual adverse effects, as these may affect compliance with therapy and ultimate treatment success. In addition to the consequences for patient health and well-being, managed-care organizations should be concerned with sexually related adverse effects of antidepressants, insofar as additional healthcare resources may be required to treat depressed patients in whom these adverse effects arise.

PMID: 12243609 [PubMed - indexed for MEDLINE]"


Zyprexa:
"Legal

According to a New York Times article published on December 17, 2006,[24] "Eli Lilly has engaged in a decade-long effort to play down the health risks of Zyprexa, its best-selling medication for schizophrenia, according to hundreds of internal Lilly documents and e-mail messages among top company managers", most of which had been disclosed as the result of lawsuits by the mentally ill against the company though some had been stolen.[25] These had been sent to a number of journalists by a lawyer advocate for mentally ill opponents of psychiatric treatment. Eli Lilly filed a protection order to stop the dissemination of certain Eli Lilly documents about Zyprexa which they, and the judge, believed to be confidential and "not generally appropriate for public consumption".[25] Temporary injunctions required those who had been received the documents to return them and that the documents be removed from websites which had posted them.[26] In his final judgement, Judge Weinstein issued a permanent judgement against further dissemination of the documents and requiring their return by a number of parties named by Lilly.[25] These health risks include an increased risk for diabetes through Zyprexa's links to obesity and its tendency to raise blood sugar. Zyprexa is Lilly's top-selling drug, with sales of $4.2 billion last year.

The documents, given to The New York Times by Jim Gottstein, a lawyer representing mentally ill patients, show that Lilly executives kept important information from doctors about Zyprexa's links to obesity and its tendency to raise blood sugar — both known risk factors for diabetes. The Times of London also obtained copies of the documents and reported that as early as October 1998, Lilly considered the risk of drug-induced obesity to be a "top threat" to Zyprexa sales.[27] In another document, dated October 9, 2000, senior Lilly research physician Robert Baker noted that an academic advisory board he belonged to was "quite impressed by the magnitude of weight gain on olanzapine and implications for glucose."[27]

Lilly's own published data, which it told its sales representatives to play down in conversations with doctors, has shown that 30 percent of patients taking Zyprexa gain 22 pounds or more after a year on the drug, another study showed 16% of Zyprexa patients gained at least 30kg (66 pounds) in one year, and some patients have reported gaining 100 pounds or more. But Lilly was concerned that Zyprexa's sales would be hurt if the company was more forthright about the fact that the drug might cause unmanageable weight gain or diabetes, according to the documents, which cover the period 1995 to 2004. In 2006, Lilly paid $700 million to settle 8,000 lawsuits from people who said they had developed diabetes or other diseases after taking Zyprexa. Thousands more suits are still pending.[28]

In 2002, British and Japanese regulatory agencies warned that Zyprexa may be linked to diabetes, but even after the FDA issued a similar warning in 2003, Lilly did not publicly disclose their own findings.

Eli Lilly agreed on January 4, 2007 to pay up to $500 million to settle 18,000 lawsuits from people who claimed they developed diabetes or other diseases after taking Zyprexa. Including; on January 8, 2007, Judge Jack B. Weinstein refused the Electronic Frontier Foundation's motion to stay his order[29]. The documents can now only be downloaded from public Internet sites outside the US.[30][31][32] earlier settlements over Zyprexa, Lilly has now agreed to pay at least $1.2 billion to 28,500 people who claim they were injured by the drug. At least 1,200 suits are still pending, the company said. About 20 million people worldwide have taken Zyprexa since its introduction in 1996.[33]" (source:http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Olanzapine"

--

"Important Safety Information for Olanzapine". Zyprexa package insert. Eli Lilly & Company (2007). Retrieved on 2007-12-03. "Elderly patients with dementia-related psychosis treated with atypical antipsychotic drugs are at an increased risk of death compared to placebo. [...] ZYPREXA® (olanzapine) is not approved for the treatment of elderly patients with dementia-related psychosis."
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Cheers

Alex

All sound advice thus far but what comes across from your post is that you are constantly over-thinking which is the cause in itself rather than a by-product of your life-style or diet/supplementation.
TBH The type of exercise is not significant in itself but if you're performing largely aerobic then try anaerobic and vice versa. For me it's weights, for others its running.

Adaptogens are useful but ashwagandha is more useful for stress-management for most Rhodiola can be more stimulating etc they are not all going to suit you, worthy of investigation.

Have you always been a bit intense/compulsive? or have any recent event amplified you response to events?

I should point out, I'm not a doctor, councellor or anything else, just trying to cut through to the roor cause.

Sentinel


Thanks for the reply. Yes over thinking in a way I can't control is my problem. I still couldn't find the solution. This is the reason why my brain is exhausted, even my libido has gone. That could give a hint about how serious my situation is. I just can't find the thing that will give a boost to my brain. MY daily supplement regime is so..2,4 mg piracetam, 30 mg nicergoline, 500 mg omega3, b complex 50, 400 mg vitamin e..I also use 10 mg zyprexa and prozac, these are not for mental fatigue though. As a reminder I was diagnosed with ocd once a time, And I still have some symptoms of ocd.



Thanks for the info, It's really worrying that prozac can cause a long term loss of libido but I have to take it to avoid depression. Depression can be hidden and go on without being diagnosed for years, thats what I have lived. I feel the obligation to avoid such a situation to happen again. I know that zyprexa causes obesity, I'm much more heavy than 3 years before when I started zyprexa. My situation is complicated and unbelievable in some aspects so I have to take zyprexa too.

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Posted 27 August 2008 - 12:46 PM

People generally use nootropics to be smarter but in my situation, I have a brain that is exhausted because of over and over working. I have tried different approaches 1) eating brain healthy foods 2) Exercising (I could do this for 3 months, hasn't seen remarkable benefit) 3) nootropics like piracetam (piracetam is of some valuable benefit) 4) Music therapy (brainwave recordings etc) None of these gave me the desired recovery. What specific supplement would you suggest for a very tired brain?


Consider making lifestyle changes to help reduce what is causing exhaustion. I have to do the same, and it's not very clear with the demands of any career. I think long term it may be possible if I really explore enough options.

As mentioned, adaptogens may be of help, but you've got to be careful with these if stress is a big part of the problem. In my experience, adaptogens can make me more anxious, and also negatively impact focus. Conversely, substances that tend to improve focus for me like stimulants can also lower anxiety and stress. Definitely give the adaptogens a try, as you may be totally different though. I also recommend trying kava.


thanks for the valuable insight.

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Posted 27 August 2008 - 12:52 PM

It's REALLY Important that you state use of significant medication. I take it everything you are taking is under the observation of the same MD? Your first post hinted at ocd hence the question.

Chap this is nothing you can't get past. As discussed try the different exercise types, and as Shepard alluded to, go for intensity. Really wear yourself out! It's all good, one day you'll wake up chilled and buff ;)

Careful with the adaptogens, focus on the de-stress, mindcalming ones like ashwaghanda and theanine would be worth looking at either in supplement or by just drinking green tea. There's nothing wrong with a fast mind, you just need to keep up with it ;-)

Sentinel


In fact I haven't seen a doctor for nearly two years. When I go to the doctor regularly all he was saying was go on taking the medicines. I'm still taking them so why would I need a doc to tell me that? Nootropics I use aren't adviced by a doctor I decided to take them after browsing these forums. Yes I must try theanine, It's on my list, thank you.

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Posted 27 August 2008 - 06:02 PM

In fact I haven't seen a doctor for nearly two years. When I go to the doctor regularly all he was saying was go on taking the medicines. I'm still taking them so why would I need a doc to tell me that? Nootropics I use aren't adviced by a doctor I decided to take them after browsing these forums. Yes I must try theanine, It's on my list, thank you.

Have you tried pregnenolone? If not, I suggest it. It relieves depression, and would be appropriate for
the complaints you have and most of all, there's no downside. You can search Pubmed for information.
LE Magazine June 2004 review of it


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Posted 28 August 2008 - 02:04 PM

In fact I haven't seen a doctor for nearly two years. When I go to the doctor regularly all he was saying was go on taking the medicines. I'm still taking them so why would I need a doc to tell me that? Nootropics I use aren't adviced by a doctor I decided to take them after browsing these forums. Yes I must try theanine, It's on my list, thank you.

Have you tried pregnenolone? If not, I suggest it. It relieves depression, and would be appropriate for
the complaints you have and most of all, there's no downside. You can search Pubmed for information.
LE Magazine June 2004 review of it


I'm searching on it, thank you.




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