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[staz]

I'm gonna put together an order from www.doctorstrust.com , it's the cheapest site I've found, and they are reliable according to others.. Living in Sweden I've noticed that I can save LOTS of money by ordering health related products from the U.S. , it's loads more expensive here...
I'm gonna put together some vitamins and supplements etc that will help my body feeling well.. I feel fine allready, but I don't eat THAT well, and the placebo effect of eating supplements will probably be welcome too

so far I've looked at a few items..
omega3 oil
a balanced multivitamin
ALA
melatonin (as sleeping aid)

[JonesGuy]

I certainly agree with the Omega3 fatty acids. Those things are 'the magic pill' that people seem to be missing.

I don't know about more pills though. It seems that study after study comes out where the pills aren't just not nearly as good as healthy food.

Herbal tea and more fruits and vegetables.

[shpongled]

I'm gonna put together an order from www.doctorstrust.com , it's the cheapest site I've found, and they are reliable according to others.. Living in Sweden I've noticed that I can save LOTS of money by ordering health related products from the U.S. , it's loads more expensive here...
I'm gonna put together some vitamins and supplements etc that will help my body feeling well.. I feel fine allready, but I don't eat THAT well, and the placebo effect of eating supplements will probably be welcome too

so far I've looked at a few items..
omega3 oil
a balanced multivitamin
ALA
melatonin (as sleeping aid)

All of those are good choices, as are acetyl-l-carnitine, coenzyme Q10 and green tea. Make sure the omega-3 supplement has EPA and DHA

[staz]

For what purpose are acetyl-l-carnitine and coenzyme useful specifically? Green tea is a potent antioxidant as far as I know.

found some text promoting ala with alc .. snipped from http://www.ageless.uk.com/alcala.htm

Acetyl L-Carnitine / Alpha-Lipoic Acid

Put the spring back in your step with these amazing new anti-ageing supplements!

This fantastic new discovery from the USA could help you feel younger,
feel more lively, and improve your memory.

Alpha Lipoic Acid and Acetyl L-Carnitine have recently received a huge amount of press and TV coverage, and a clinical trial has been conducted on channel 4's Richard & Judy show (subjects included the comedian Harry Enfield's father!).
Results were excellent showing massive improvement in memory skills, agility and reaction speed in just 4 weeks!

Those studied reported being more energetic, thinking sharper and more clearly, and generally feeling much more lively and active. One subject saw an AMAZING 60% (not a misprint) INCREASE IN MEMORY SKILLS IN JUST THE SECOND WEEK. Imagine what YOU could do with such an increase in memory! Every participant improved in agility, reaction and memory - key factors in anti-ageing.

Researchers at the renowned University of California tested subjects under laboratory conditions and discovered that the combination of alpha lipoic acid and acetyl l-carnitine not only slowed down the ageing processes, but rejuvinated the elderly subjects studied.

Alpha Lipoic Acid is described by many as a "universal" antioxidant as it combats free radicals in both fatty and watery tissue, and is the only vitamin to do this. It has beneficial effects on the liver and is medically approved and prescribed in Europe for certain medical conditions.
L-Carnitine is essential for energy production within the body. Acetyl L-Carnitine is also being studied as a possible treatment for memory loss associated with ageing.

Previous studies have shown that either of these compounds may have value in addressing some of the physical and mental deterioration associated with ageing, but the newest research suggested a combination of the two works far better than either one separately. The latest findings build on years of research into the ageing process and these compounds, scientists said.

Now you too can take advantage of this incredible scientific discovery as AgeLess offers you the highest quality supplements available at only £12.95 each, or just £22.95 for this much talked about combination when ordered together.


Further technical information can be read by clicking on the links below.

Edited by staz, 29 November 2003 - 01:37 PM.

[shpongled]

Here is an article I wrote on ALCAR: http://www.bulknutri...ngredients_id=8

Here are some abstracts on Coenzyme Q10.

Curr Med Chem. 2003 Oct;10(19):1917-21.


Coenzyme Q10 in neurodegenerative diseases.

Shults CW.

Department of Neurosciences, University of California, San Diego, La Jolla, CA 92093-0662, USA. cshults@ucsd.edu

Coenzyme Q(10) (ubiquinone), which serves as the electron acceptor for complexes I and II of the mitochondrial electron transport chain and also acts as an antioxidant, has the potential to be a beneficial agent in neurodegenerative diseases in which there is impaired mitochondrial function and/or excessive oxidative damage. Substantial data have accumulated to implicate these processes in the pathogenesis in certain neurodegenerative disorders, including Parkinson's disease, Huntington's disease and Friedreich's ataxia. Although no study to date has unequivocally demonstrated that coenzyme Q(10) can slow the progression of a neurodegenerative disease, recent clinical trials in these three disorders suggest that supplemental coenzyme Q(10) can slow the functional decline in these disorders, particularly Parkinson's disease.

Mol Cell Biochem. 2003 Apr;246(1-2):75-82.


Effect of coenzyme Q10 on risk of atherosclerosis in patients with recent myocardial infarction.

Singh RB, Neki NS, Kartikey K, Pella D, Kumar A, Niaz MA, Thakur AS.

Medical Hospital and Research Centre, Moradabad, India. icn@mickyonline.com

In a randomized, double-blind, controlled trial, the effects of oral treatment with coenzyme Q10 (CoQ10, 120 mg/day), a bioenergetic and antioxidant cytoprotective agent, were compared for 1 year, on the risk factors of atherosclerosis, in 73 (CoQ, group A) and 71 (B vitamin group B) patients after acute myocardial infarction (AMI). After 1 year, total cardiac events (24.6 vs. 45.0%, p < 0.02) including non-fatal infarction (13.7 vs. 25.3%, p < 0.05) and cardiac deaths were significantly lower in the intervention group compared to control group. The extent of cardiac disease, elevation in cardiac enzymes, left ventricular enlargement, previous coronary artery disease and elapsed time from symptom onset to infarction at entry to study showed no significant differences between the two groups. Plasma level of vitamin E (32.4 +/- 4.3 vs. 22.1 +/- 3.6 umol/L) and high density lipoprotein cholesterol (1.26 +/- 0.43 vs. 1.12 +/- 0.32 mmol/L) showed significant (p < 0.05) increase whereas thiobarbituric acid reactive substances, malondialdehyde (1.9 + 0.31 vs. 3.1 + 0.32 pmol/L) and diene conjugates showed significant reduction respectively in the CoQ group compared to control group. Approximately half of the patients in each group (n = 36 vs. 31) were receiving lovastatin (10 mg/day) and both groups had a significant reduction in total and low density lipoprotein cholesterol compared to baseline levels. It is possible that treatment with CoQ10 in patients with recent MI may be beneficial in patients with high risk of atherothrombosis, despite optimal lipid lowering therapy during a follow-up of 1 year. Adverse effect of treatments showed that fatigue (40.8 vs. 6.8%, p < 0.01) was more common in the control group than CoQ group.

[WuShu]

Try www.life-enhancement.com they have a multivitamin/mineral formula called Bioenhance. If you can afford it, it's worth it.

[staz]

Good article shpongled, is ALCAR still worth the price difference in comparison to L-car ?
I'll check that out wushu. im poor though.

[WuShu]

Staz:
The problem with evaluating the difference in Carnitine v. ALCAR is that the company with the patent for ALCAR does all the research, so naturally they will not compare their monopoly with a cheaper product. There is one scientist that swears on a stack of bibles there is absolutely no difference.
Having taken both, I can tell you I feel a definite cognitive difference with ALC that I don't get from L-CAR. But acetylated amino acids are better absorbed orally, so I don't know. I find that as an athletic supplement L-CAR is just fine. It is a carrier molecule that transports free fatty acids across the mitochondrial membrane and gives great boosts to endurance when I run for over an hour. Some people hedge their bets by taking half and half, but I don't see the sense of it; if you believe in ALC, take it. It's stronger and you'll need less. The best, cheapest place to order amino acids is Jo-Mar labs. You could try www.Jo-Mar.com, but I don't know their e-mail adress. They are at:251-B East Hacienda ave. Campbell, CA 95008.
CAR and ALCAR are also cholinergics, which give you a cognitive lift. Here's a cheapo idea: if you want the cheapest one, get Choline at a health food store and take it in the morning with pantothenic acid. It may or not do some of the things ALC does, such as slowing amyloid and lipofuscin in the skin and neurons but will help you concentrate.
Now if you were the one that asked about a multivitamin-mineral formula that I mentioned www.life-enhancement.com about their product bioenhance and you cant afford it, there is also Pearson and Shaws Personal radical Shield, and their ONE-PER-MEal Radical Shield, which is cheapest but still good. I encourage you to request their free newsletter. I think they have a three-for two sale until Dec. 31st.
Let me know how you do.

Wu

[machineghost]

I'm gonna put together an order from www.doctorstrust.com , it's the cheapest site I've

I'm not impressed with the quality of Doctor's Trust branded supplements.

I've found www.vitaglo.com to be cheapest in many cases, sometimes www.iherb.com.

I always recommend food-source, non-synthetic vitamins and non-unnaturally chelated minerals, except when impractical. My basic, high quality, high bioavailability plan:

Vitamins:
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Garden of Life's Living Multi Optimal Formula pills
and/or Dr. Richard Sculze's SuperFood powder
and/or Garden of Life's PerfectFood powder
and/or Synergy Company's Perfect Synergy powder

Minerals:
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Nature's Plus Dyno-Mins minerals (warning: LARGE pills!)
NOW Potassium Gluconate powder (to circumvent 99mg/serving FDA restriction, RDI is 3.5 grams!)

Vitamin C:
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NOW Magnesium Ascorbate powder (buffered Vitamin C/Magnesium)
NOW Bioflavonoids pills (required for optimal C bioavailability)

EFAs:
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TwinLab TwinMax EPA pills (84% EPA/DHA, strongest currently available)

Fiber:
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Psyllium Seed powder (80% soluble, Cream of Wheat-like, 5lbs is $20 from vitaglo)
NOW Acidophilus 4x6 powder (6 different strains)

Enzymes:
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NOW Pancreatin 4x High Potency

If you eat moderate quantities of grass-fed, raw-milk cheese, you probably won't need to supplement with calcium, fish oil or CLA.

Machine Ghost

Edited by machineghost, 18 February 2004 - 07:52 AM.