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[tisy]

Dear community,

I am a 18-year-old pupil from Germany who has found the idea of cryonics on the net. On the website http://members.aol.c...iss/adrkryo.htm there is a reference to the permafrost burial of the "Canadian Cryonics Society", which would be able to provide a permafrost burial by the cost of, in 1991, 1500 Can. Dollar. If the price would have tripled since then, it's today maybe 4500 Dan. Dollar.
But looking at the site http://www.benbest.c...html#permafrost I read "This procedure would not only be cheaper (less than $10,000)" so, it seems not be a concrete option, although it sounds like this on the first site.

Is permafrost burial already possible?
If not, what is the cheapest technique of cryonics today avaiable? I have little money, so saving the costs of neuro or full body cryonics suspension or being able to sign a life insurance will take some time. Until then, I would like to "save" my life as early as possible, as I could die every day in a car accident.

I am looking forward to information and opinions .

Greetings

tisy

Edited by tisy, 27 September 2008 - 09:23 PM.

[s123]

Hoping that the global warming is stopped.

The permafrost isn't cold enough and you don't have the careful procedure to protect you against the formation of ice crystals.

Edited by s123, 27 September 2008 - 09:52 PM.

[Matthias]

pupil from Germany
[...]
I am looking forward to information and opinions

Btw, cryonicists in Germany have organized themselves: You will find them at their homepage ( www.biostase.de ) and sometimes some of them can be sighted at this regional subforum: http://www.imminst.o...p?showforum=314 too.

Edited by Matthias, 30 September 2008 - 06:00 PM.

[Mind]

Permafrost burial would not provide much protection from degradation and decomposition as the temperature is not cold enough. You would be better taking your chances with a straight freeze, which I think is fairly cheap.

[eternaltraveler]

Dear community,

I am a 18-year-old pupil from Germany who has found the idea of cryonics on the net. On the website http://members.aol.c...iss/adrkryo.htm there is a reference to the permafrost burial of the "Canadian Cryonics Society", which would be able to provide a permafrost burial by the cost of, in 1991, 1500 Can. Dollar. If the price would have tripled since then, it's today maybe 4500 Dan. Dollar.
But looking at the site http://www.benbest.c...html#permafrost I read "This procedure would not only be cheaper (less than $10,000)" so, it seems not be a concrete option, although it sounds like this on the first site.

Is permafrost burial already possible?
If not, what is the cheapest technique of cryonics today avaiable? I have little money, so saving the costs of neuro or full body cryonics suspension or being able to sign a life insurance will take some time. Until then, I would like to "save" my life as early as possible, as I could die every day in a car accident.

I am looking forward to information and opinions .

Greetings

tisy

if you are 18 years old regular cryonics is incredibly cheap as you pay for it with life insurance. At your age life insurance will be cheap. If I were to guess it will be something in the ballpark of 30-40 dollars a month. Maybe less. You don't want term insurance, but universal or whole. Term runs out.

Edited by elrond, 30 September 2008 - 07:07 PM.

[tisy]

Thank you, also for the additional information! This has helped me.

[Live Forever]

I agree with elrond; Go with insurance. It is incredibly cheap for someone so young as yourself (per month) to pay for insurance for regular cryonic suspension.

I would recommend contacting Rudy Hoffman, who is a fellow cryonicist and also works in the insurance business insuring fellow cryonicists:
http://www.rudihoffm...m/cryonics.html

...and since it seems you are a non-US person, here is the info provided for that:
http://www.rudihoffm...ics_non_us.html
(yes, he is able to work around whatever needs you may have outside the US, it appears)

[Mixter]

Hi tiey

Contact the people at http://www.biostase.de they're a NGO
dedicated to helping german people set up an insurance,
get involved and organizing a travel to a US cryo facility
when needed. In short, you can use most life insurances in
Germany as they have good ratings, but check it with your
intended cryo institute (CI or alcor), even before being a
member, and later on, transfer it to your cryo institute.
Starting a life insurance with 18 is a good idea, as it will
still be dead cheap by then.

[robomoon]

There's no way for me to make frequent payments to an insurance for Cryonics because of my bad income situation. So I've also tried to get something cheaper. Here's my latest effort http://groups.yahoo....ts/message/1043 where I've tried to gain interest in storage of a small DNA sample in Russia. That should be storage for less than $1300, together with some written information about my personal data. Check out http://lifenaut.com/ too!

The cheapest technique which actually seems to work for those who are able to raise a bit more money than me goes like this: Check out Kriorus, who is the only company cheaper than CI and Alcor. All the others went broke or are more expensive. Currently, their home page http://kriorus.ru/ has the following content with title "Forbidden" and main page "You don't have permission to access / on this server." Don't hesitate to choose them if you are aged or sick to the point of being nearly death. Then put your last resources together and go to their place in the Moscow area. That will spare you funding costs of shipping (from $1000 to $10000), embalming (from $1000 to $3000) and additional services (from $500 to $5000). Something looks even better if you can fund $14000 by a Russian insurance.

[Luna]

What good will it bring you storing your DNA sample?
This will certainly be a CLONE.

[robomoon]

What good will it bring you storing your DNA sample?
This will certainly be a CLONE.

Sorry that the term DNA sample is so much related to cloning, but nobody needs a clone of mine. There should rather be a merger between some digital reflections and the code of my DNA. Digital reflections about my personal data are at http://cyberev.org and further pages. Cybernetics need time, so imagine a suspension for thousand years. After storage, a comparison between enhanced DNA and the DNA sample will be the leading characteristics of my cybernetic outline. After thousand years of progress in genomics, enhanced DNA must show great differences. These differences will be the problems which my avatar must be able to cope with. There is no avatar right now, but I want to let this recovery of digital reflections happen. To make it clear for any mind: In thousand years, there can be a robot with friendly Artificial Intelligence instead of a reactive clone with a damaged brain.

[John Schloendorn]

You don't want term insurance, but universal or whole. Term runs out.

Which of course makes it even way cheaper. Some youngsters take like a 30 year term, betting that they will be wealthy enough to just pay cash for the suspension by the time they need it for aging reasons. So depending on what level of assets you anticipate to accumulate down the road, you might want to ask about that too.