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#1 luv2increase

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Posted 22 October 2008 - 10:16 PM


Hello everybody, I am going to list some supplements that I am going to place my mother on within the next week. She has MS and is 48 years old being diagnosed at the age of 30. She hasn't tried any mainstream therapies in the last 8 years because she just simply could not tolerate any of the side-effects from the drugs. As of her last MRI, it shows that more lesions are forming on her brain. There are two categories of MS, one is extreme with a quick worsening of the disease, and the other is more like a roller coaster with ups and downs with much time until it gets really bad. She, fortunately, has the latter.

These are what I'm going to put her on. I basically want to know if any of the gurus have any suggestions or if they see anything potentially contraindicated for her illness.



I really really appreciate any input!!!


New Chapter, Every Woman's, One Daily

Astaxanthin "BioAstin" 4mg (1 softgel daily)

Policosanol

Vitamin D3 "2000IU" (2 softgels daily)

Now Foods Calcium Citrate "240 vcaps" (3 vcaps daily)

Now Foods, Lecithin, Triple Strength, 1200 mg, 200 Softgels (2 softgels daily)

C-500, Calcium Ascorbate-C (1 capsule daily)

Berberine

90% AKBA boswellic acid (54mg)---> to combat inflammation

Toco-8 -- Complete tocopherol & tocotrienol complex

Bacopa Enlighten (60 VeggieCaps) Brand: A.O.R. (1 capsule daily)

Cocoa Powder, Certified Organic


As you will see, some of the things are mainly aimed at her "newfound" high cholesterol (350 total) numbers.


Thank you all...

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Posted 23 October 2008 - 12:51 AM

Hello everybody, I am going to list some supplements that I am going to place my mother on within the next week. She has MS and is 48 years old being diagnosed at the age of 30. She hasn't tried any mainstream therapies in the last 8 years because she just simply could not tolerate any of the side-effects from the drugs. As of her last MRI, it shows that more lesions are forming on her brain. There are two categories of MS, one is extreme with a quick worsening of the disease, and the other is more like a roller coaster with ups and downs with much time until it gets really bad. She, fortunately, has the latter.

These are what I'm going to put her on. I basically want to know if any of the gurus have any suggestions or if they see anything potentially contraindicated for her illness.



I really really appreciate any input!!!


New Chapter, Every Woman's, One Daily

Astaxanthin "BioAstin" 4mg (1 softgel daily)

Policosanol

Vitamin D3 "2000IU" (2 softgels daily)

Now Foods Calcium Citrate "240 vcaps" (3 vcaps daily)

Now Foods, Lecithin, Triple Strength, 1200 mg, 200 Softgels (2 softgels daily)

C-500, Calcium Ascorbate-C (1 capsule daily)

Berberine

90% AKBA boswellic acid (54mg)---> to combat inflammation

Toco-8 -- Complete tocopherol & tocotrienol complex

Bacopa Enlighten (60 VeggieCaps) Brand: A.O.R. (1 capsule daily)

Cocoa Powder, Certified Organic


As you will see, some of the things are mainly aimed at her "newfound" high cholesterol (350 total) numbers.


Thank you all...


From the MAYO CLINIC: http://www.mayoclini...08/may-09a.html


Do Dietary Supplements Help Or Hurt MS Therapy?
May 9, 2008
Dear Mayo Clinic:
Our 26-year-old daughter is described as having an 'aggressive' form of MS. She is now taking Novantrone, a chemotherapy drug and immune suppressor, after having an allergic reaction to Tysabri. If the chemotherapy is administered to stop the immune system from attacking itself, what happens if she takes supplements for well-being (fish oil, lecithin, vitamins E and B, etc.)? Is this counter-productive?

Answer:
It's a good question. Due to the limitations of conventional medicine in treating multiple sclerosis (MS), an inflammatory disease that affects the central nervous system, many MS patients are turning to complementary and alternative medicine, which includes the use of a variety of dietary supplements to treat the disease or its symptoms. Unfortunately, many of these supplements have not been proven to offer any benefits.

When MS is active, the body's immune system attacks the myelin sheath, a fatty substance that covers and insulates nerve fibers in the brain and spinal cord. Doctors refer to the areas of injury and scarring on the myelin sheath as lesions. Eventually, damage to the sheath and nerves can slow or block the nerve signals that control muscle coordination, strength, sensation and vision.

The severity of MS varies considerably from one person to another. Active MS means a person is having frequent attacks and new or enhanced lesions can be seen on MRI. Treatment with interferon beta or glatiramer acetate is then used to reduce the number of attacks and new lesions and, in the long term, reduce disability. Sometimes, these treatments aren't effective enough, and stronger drugs like Tysabri or Novantrone are needed. The medication your daughter is taking, Novantrone, works to suppress the immune system, thus reducing the activity of the disease.

There is some evidence, though it is not definitive, that a diet enriched with polyunsaturated fatty acids — which includes omega-6 and omega-3 — might be helpful in treating MS. There are many unknowns, however, including how the fatty acids work, their safety and their effectiveness when used with conventional treatment for MS.

Regardless what diet is followed, a well-balanced intake of nutrients is important. Though many MS patients now take antioxidants (for example, vitamins A, C, E, selenium and CoQ10) because it has been proposed that free radicals play a role in MS, supporting information is limited. Eating more fruits and vegetables would be reasonable and, if supplements are taken, then modest doses of Vitamin A, C and E might be appropriate. Patients also need to be wary of supplements touted to be immune-stimulating as these may potentially worsen MS or antagonize conventional therapies, especially if used in large amounts.

MS patients at risk for osteoporosis or osteopenia should consider taking vitamin D and calcium. Some small studies have suggested that vitamin D may prevent or delay MS onset and may have some beneficial disease-modifying effects, however current evidence is inadequate to allow specific recommendations. I recommend that before any patients decide to take vitamin D, they consult their physician as high doses may cause unwanted side effects such as fatigue, cramps and high blood pressure.

In conclusion, your daughter should be cautious when deciding which supplements to take. Quite a bit of the information on the Internet promotes supplements for people with MS. There's little data to support these claims, and she should be careful not to spend a lot of money on false promises.

If your daughter would like to take supplements, a daily multi-vitamin containing vitamin D would be reasonable. I suggest she talk with her doctor to confirm that the supplements she's taking are right for her. She should keep in mind, too, the benefits of a healthy lifestyle overall, which includes a well-balanced diet, regular exercise (if possible), low stress and trying to maintain a positive attitude. For example, an exercise program, developed with input from her physician, may improve strength, muscle tone, balance and coordination. Getting enough rest can combat fatigue, a common MS symptom. More information is available online on the National MS Society's Web site (www.nationalmssociety.org).

— Sean Pittock, M.D., Neurology, Mayo Clinic, Rochester, Minn.

Edited by Dmitri, 23 October 2008 - 12:52 AM.


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#3 sUper GeNius

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Posted 23 October 2008 - 12:58 AM

I highly recommend curcumin with Biperine (piperine.) I have had symptoms/bouts of MS, and each and very time I cut them short with a dose of about 6 grams a day for a week. I now take a smaller dose (2g daily), and have not had a bout in a long time.

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Posted 23 October 2008 - 05:25 AM

This site offers ides for alternative approaches.

I think ph strips are a small investment to make.

Some people say that the body tightly controls the ph of the blood and tissues. I think it may be possible that only small deviations over time can have an impact on health.

And diet is the most important way of correcting this. Some minerals are alkalizing (some are acidifying) but diet is still important. And its so easy to eat an acidifying diet.

If she sees any improvement with a change in diet (or the ph strips seem to indicate a slight imbalance) she can always go for arterial blood gases to determine more precisely the exact nature of the acidemia to fine tune this approach even further.

A diet high (maybe 80%) in alkalizing foods (fruits and vegetables) is not unhealthy.

I don't see any downside to considering it (buying ph strips) and changing her eating habits.

#5 tham

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Posted 23 October 2008 - 09:25 AM

Cardiovascular Research's (Ecological Formulas)
myelin sheath product is usually the first I think of :

http://www.nutrimedi...;product.id=977


Check this earlier thread on MS :

http://www.imminst.o...o...c=20306&hl=


EBV, although a bit controversial, has been implicated in MS :


http://www.ncbi.nlm....l=pubmed_docsum

http://www.ncbi.nlm....l=pubmed_docsum

http://www.ncbi.nlm....l=pubmed_docsum

http://www.ncbi.nlm....l=pubmed_docsum

http://www.ncbi.nlm....l=pubmed_docsum

http://www.ncbi.nlm....l=pubmed_docsum


Othe herpes viruses also possible, such as HHV-6 :

http://www.ncbi.nlm....l=pubmed_docsum


Thus it's a good idea to take antiviral herbs and supplements.


Olive leaf extract.


Arabinogalactan, the polysaccharide from the larch tree.

http://www.ncbi.nlm....t_uids=11322248

http://www.ncbi.nlm....st_uids=8439987

http://betterlife.co...sp?prod_id=2333


This is probably one of the strongest antiviral formulas around :

http://betterlife.co...sp?prod_id=5883


Monolaurin, or lauric acid, which appears promising.

http://www.lauric.org/lcv.html

http://www.ncbi.nlm....st_uids=8113756

http://www.catie.ca/...81?OpenDocument

http://www.aids.org/atn/a-033-03.html


Artemisinin and artesunate, from the Chinese wormwood
tree, has activity against the malaria parasite, and has also
just been found to have strong antiviral properties. Artesunate
apparently also has anticancer action. Nutricology makes
artemisinin.

http://www.ncbi.nlm....t_uids=16122816

http://www.ncbi.nlm....t_uids=11976732

http://www.ncbi.nlm....t_uids=16122816

http://betterlife.co...p?prod_id=27738

http://betterlife.co...p?prod_id=24238

http://betterlife.co...p?prod_id=25446


Phyllantus amarus/niruri, the tropical plant.

http://www.ncbi.nlm....t_uids=12425959

http://www.tropilab.com/black-cat.html

http://betterlife.co...p?prod_id=20475

http://www.rain-tree.../chancacaps.htm


Oregano oil.

http://www.ncbi.nlm....t_uids=15161188


Melissa officinalis, the lemon balm.

http://www.ncbi.nlm....t_uids=14233461


Rosemary, mainly due to its carnosic acid content.

http://www.ncbi.nlm....t_uids=14233461

http://www.ncbi.nlm....st_uids=8229021


Turmeric. Thus the good results experienced by Full Member
with curcumin.

http://www.ncbi.nlm....t_uids=11884218


Pau d'arco :

http://www.ncbi.nlm....l=pubmed_docsum


These look good :

http://www.herbalrem...-antiviral.html

http://www.raintree-.../info/1008.html

http://www.rain-tree...ral-support.htm


Multiple sclerosis :

jergon sacha, mullaca, macela, sangre de grado, tayuya, iporuru,
manacá, pau d'arco, amor seco, mulungu, bitter melon, clavillia,
vassourinha, gervâo

http://www.rain-tree.com/indicate.htm


Quercetin also has antiviral activity :

http://www.ncbi.nlm....t_uids=16019982

http://www.ncbi.nlm....t_uids=15359113

http://www.ncbi.nlm....t_uids=15668926

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#6 tham

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Posted 23 October 2008 - 04:35 PM

If you look at the second study on quercetin above, it
actually has direct benefits on MS. The study was on
EAE, a research model of MS, both Th1-mediated
autoimmune diseases.

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Posted 23 October 2008 - 06:28 PM

Forgot to post the link.

http://www.multiplesclerosis.ms/

#8 bran319

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Posted 23 October 2008 - 07:09 PM

Hyperforin down-regulates effector function of activated T lymphocytes and shows efficacy against Th1-triggered CNS inflammatory-demyelinating disease.Cabrelle A, Dell'Aica I, Melchiori L, Carraro S, Brunetta E, Niero R, Scquizzato E, D'Intino G, Calzà L, Garbisa S, Agostini C.
Department of Clinical and Experiment Medicine, Medical School, Padova, Italy.

Hyperforin (Hyp) is an active compound contained in the extract of Hypericum perforatum, well known for its antidepressant activity. However, Hyp has been found to possess several other biological properties, including inhibitory effects on tumor invasion, angiogenesis, and inflammation. In this paper, we show that treatment with Hyp inhibited IFN-gamma production, with down-regulation of T-box (T-bet; marker of Th1 gene expression) and up-regulation of GATA-3 (marker gene of Th2) on IL-2/PHA-activated T cells. In parallel, we showed a strong down-regulation of the chemokine receptor CXCR3 expression on activated T cells. The latter effect and the down-modulation of matrix metalloproteinase 9 expression may eventually lead to the inhibition of migratory capability and matrix traversal toward the chemoattractant CXCL10 by activated lymphocytes that we observed in vitro. The effect of Hyp was thus evaluated on an animal model of experimental allergic encephalomyelitis (EAE), a classic, Th1-mediated autoimmune disease of the CNS, and we observed that Hyp attenuates the severity of the disease symptoms significantly. Together, these properties qualify Hyp as a putative, therapeutic molecule for the treatment of autoimmune inflammatory disease sustained by Th1 cells, including EAE.

PMID: 17947392 [PubMed - indexed for MEDLINE]

Edited by bran319, 23 October 2008 - 07:10 PM.


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Posted 23 October 2008 - 07:44 PM

Many, many people with Lyme Disease are misdiagnosed with Multiple Sclerosis because they both produce the same lesions in the brain, indistinguishable from one another on MRI scans. The idea that Lyme must involve joint pain is a myth -- in fact, 60% of Lyme cases present with predominantly neurological symptoms. Fewer than 50% ever recall a tick bite and only a fraction that do recall any rash. Because Lyme can be treated and cured, and MS promises endless suffering and deterioration, anyone told they have MS should pursue the best Lyme testing available before accepting the MS diagnosis.

Lyme Disease Misdiagnosed as Multiple Sclerosis

#10 luv2increase

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Posted 24 October 2008 - 06:20 PM

I sincerely appreciate all the input everyone! I think it is time to "add" some additional supps into her treatment. She has just gotten some other results back today, and it appears she has a 6mm brain aneurysm as well. She'll be seeing a cerebrovascular neurologist and neuroradiologist at the beginning of November for that. All in all, my mom unfortunately has emphysema, MS, osteoporosis, thoracic herniated discs, and now this brain aneurysm. I am extremely saddened by all this, but it shows that one must take care of their health from the earliest of ages. Unfortunately, my mom hasn't followed this principle. She isn't giving up though, and she is strong!

Thanks for all the help!

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Posted 17 December 2008 - 05:07 AM

Luv,

If your mom has a brain aneurism, check her copper levels as she is probably deficient. Low copper can also explain the herniated disks and the emphysema. I have one myself in L4/L5 and have 2 inguinal hernias. I have tested low in copper. My great-grandma died of a ruptured cerebral aneurysm. It saddens to find out some years later that it could have been completely preventable. Other things that can help the connective tissue are lysine and proline.

Also, quercetin, rutin and hesperidin will definitely help to strengthen her vascular system. Consider using a fat soluble B1 to repair the nerves. Benfotiamine is good but it only works on the peripheral nerves. You can combine it with fursultiamine (TTFD) as this crosses the BBB and works centrally. Use it together with Methyl B12 which in high doses can help MS.

I also second the sphingolin. Read good things about that.

Lastly, test her vitamin D levels. I was just listening about a patient with MS that reversed his condition by correcting a vitamin D deficiency. He was severely deficient and used 50,000 IU daily for a few months to correct it. He went from being wheelchair bound to walking around.

http://www.nutriphobia.com/#05 listen to chapter 5 and 6.

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Posted 17 December 2008 - 05:28 AM

Also, quercetin, rutin and hesperidin will definitely help to strengthen her vascular system. Consider using a fat soluble B1 to repair the nerves. Benfotiamine is good but it only works on the peripheral nerves. You can combine it with fursultiamine (TTFD) as this crosses the BBB and works centrally. Use it together with Methyl B12 which in high doses can help MS.


Whats the difference between fursultiamine & sulbutiamine ?

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Posted 17 December 2008 - 09:39 PM

Resveratrol is one you might think adding for her to try, for very many reasons, but also because it's been used in the mouse model of multiple sclerosis to suppress the autoimmune system attacks on the brain, and thus provide protection against the pathology. Will all depend upon what's the actual cause of the symptoms of course, but just an idea to float out there.

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Posted 18 December 2008 - 12:04 AM

You may want to consider EGCg too, or green tea, if she doesn't already drink it. I know there is at least one ongoing study using Sunphenon EGCg with MS patients -- http://clinicaltrial...052...n"&rank=8

But ask her doctor first, before starting any supplements, just in case some do interfere with medications.

And Policosanol is probably a waste, if she will be taking it for cholesterol (I'm not aware if it has any other supposed benefits). Most of the Policosonal/lipid studies were done in Cuba, and haven't been replicated anywhere else. Fish oil/Omega 3s may be of greater benefit.

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Posted 18 December 2008 - 02:14 AM

For cholesterol control, I take pantethine. As a bonus, one of its metabolites (cysteamine) has neuroprotective effects. It is rather expensive, though.

PS: another benefit of pantethine: prevents cataract (now I understand why I decided to get it in my stack :) )

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Posted 18 December 2008 - 03:31 AM

Whats the difference between fursultiamine & sulbutiamine ?


I know they both contain a disulfide group and also cross the BBB and act centrally. But as far as why their functions differ, I have no clue. Sulbutiamine (arcalion) is used as a nootropic by acting as a central cholinergic agent. It also has potential for treating CFS, myopathy and the resulting asthenia. Although, in the study for CFS, it wasn't taken into account whether the participants already had an ongoing B1 deficiency as something that could negatively alter their results.

Dr. Derrick Lonsdale, who performed all the research and studies on fat soluble B1 in the US preferably uses fursultiamine (TTFD) for correcting dysautonomia and nerve damage. So I use that one myself. I tried sulbutiamine but I did not get the cognitive boost. That's probably because I'm deficient in B1 so I'll have to correct that deficiency before I can feel any therapeutic effect. The studies on muscle weakness are interesting as that is one of the dominant symptoms I have.

Edited by Lufega, 18 December 2008 - 03:32 AM.


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Posted 18 December 2008 - 03:40 AM

I searched for "thiamin" and "multiple sclerosis" and found these to be interesting. However, it only lists the titles with no abstract. It would be interesting to find those studies and how thiamine was involved in MS.

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Posted 18 December 2008 - 06:23 AM

Calcium 2-AEP


The first trial applications of Ca-AEP were for the treatment of multiple sclerosis (MS).[citation needed] In 1967 the German Health Authority approved the use of Ca-AEP for MS. MS, an inflammatory demyelinating condition, is one of the most common diseases of the central nervous system (brain and spinal cord). Myelin, the fatty material that surrounds nerves, acts as an insulator, much like the covering of an electric wire. An analysis of more than 2,000 patients who were treated with colamine salts in Germany over the course of 24 years revealed greater efficacy from Ca-AEP treatments than other known treatments.[citation needed] In 1986, Dr. George Morrissette conducted a retrospective poll of patients in the USA who originally had begun Ca-AEP treatment in Germany for MS. 82% of the almost 300 patients that entered the study showed a positive benefit from Ca-AEP therapy. And when treatment began in the early stages of MS, positive results rose to 92%.[citation needed]

After 30 years of Ca-AEP and calcium orotate therapies with over 3,500 patients with multiple sclerosis, the risk of bone fractures was drastically reduced.[citation needed] Furthermore, surgeons in six surgical centers located in USA and Europe reported finding extremely solid bone when implanting new joints in patients who were taking Ca-AEP combined with calcium and magnesium orotate for at least four years prior to their surgeries.



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Posted 18 December 2008 - 09:03 AM

Can't think of anything to add, best of luck to your mum.

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Posted 18 December 2008 - 09:13 AM

Whats the difference between fursultiamine & sulbutiamine ?


I know they both contain a disulfide group and also cross the BBB and act centrally. But as far as why their functions differ, I have no clue. Sulbutiamine (arcalion) is used as a nootropic by acting as a central cholinergic agent. It also has potential for treating CFS, myopathy and the resulting asthenia. Although, in the study for CFS, it wasn't taken into account whether the participants already had an ongoing B1 deficiency as something that could negatively alter their results.

Dr. Derrick Lonsdale, who performed all the research and studies on fat soluble B1 in the US preferably uses fursultiamine (TTFD) for correcting dysautonomia and nerve damage. So I use that one myself. I tried sulbutiamine but I did not get the cognitive boost. That's probably because I'm deficient in B1 so I'll have to correct that deficiency before I can feel any therapeutic effect. The studies on muscle weakness are interesting as that is one of the dominant symptoms I have.


So sulbutiamine won't have any effect on B1 deficiency ?
It will only work if you already have adequate B1.

I'm not sure that makes sense to me.
So how does this work again ?

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Posted 18 December 2008 - 07:31 PM

So sulbutiamine won't have any effect on B1 deficiency ? It will only work if you already have adequate B1.


I haven't read any studies performed on sulbutiamine for the purpose of correcting a B1 deficiency. I have read that sulbu. does increase transketolase activity so it should have a positive effect on B1 load. Sulbutiamine does improve cognition and symptoms of fatigue but fursultiamine does not, at least not as acutely. Sulbutiamine seems to have dramatic effects on some people and no effect on others. There has to be a reason for that, no? The idea of sulbu. not working for someone who has a B1 def. is my own cheap theory. I've tried it at ever increasing doses and it does absolutely nothing for me and I do have an active B1 def.

The ingredient found in Biotest's spike product is again sulbutiamine but no one knows exactly how it works. I've also used benfotiamine and currently use fursultiamine in both cream and capsules plus regular thiamine mononitrate and don't notice a nootropic like effect from these.

It would be interesting for you to try sulbutiamine if you haven't already. If you don't feel any effect, test your transketolase levels to determine if a def. is present. Who knows, maybe I'm on to something :-D

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Posted 19 December 2008 - 04:28 AM

So sulbutiamine won't have any effect on B1 deficiency ? It will only work if you already have adequate B1.


I haven't read any studies performed on sulbutiamine for the purpose of correcting a B1 deficiency. I have read that sulbu. does increase transketolase activity so it should have a positive effect on B1 load. Sulbutiamine does improve cognition and symptoms of fatigue but fursultiamine does not, at least not as acutely. Sulbutiamine seems to have dramatic effects on some people and no effect on others. There has to be a reason for that, no? The idea of sulbu. not working for someone who has a B1 def. is my own cheap theory. I've tried it at ever increasing doses and it does absolutely nothing for me and I do have an active B1 def.

The ingredient found in Biotest's spike product is again sulbutiamine but no one knows exactly how it works. I've also used benfotiamine and currently use fursultiamine in both cream and capsules plus regular thiamine mononitrate and don't notice a nootropic like effect from these.

It would be interesting for you to try sulbutiamine if you haven't already. If you don't feel any effect, test your transketolase levels to determine if a def. is present. Who knows, maybe I'm on to something :-D



How do you check your transketolase levels ?

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Posted 19 December 2008 - 08:56 PM

So sulbutiamine won't have any effect on B1 deficiency ? It will only work if you already have adequate B1.


I haven't read any studies performed on sulbutiamine for the purpose of correcting a B1 deficiency. I have read that sulbu. does increase transketolase activity so it should have a positive effect on B1 load. Sulbutiamine does improve cognition and symptoms of fatigue but fursultiamine does not, at least not as acutely. Sulbutiamine seems to have dramatic effects on some people and no effect on others. There has to be a reason for that, no? The idea of sulbu. not working for someone who has a B1 def. is my own cheap theory. I've tried it at ever increasing doses and it does absolutely nothing for me and I do have an active B1 def.

The ingredient found in Biotest's spike product is again sulbutiamine but no one knows exactly how it works. I've also used benfotiamine and currently use fursultiamine in both cream and capsules plus regular thiamine mononitrate and don't notice a nootropic like effect from these.

It would be interesting for you to try sulbutiamine if you haven't already. If you don't feel any effect, test your transketolase levels to determine if a def. is present. Who knows, maybe I'm on to something :-D


Actually, I think I will. I just so happen to have a bottle of the stuff laying around ....
What doses of sulbutiamine have you tried ?
A long time ago, I remember trying some amount, and feeling crappy afterwards. (too much too soon ?)

I have been taking 300-450 mg Benfotiamine for the glycation. Not sure what that means for my transketolase levels.

Benfotiamine does not cross into the Brain. That's why there's no nootropic effect there.

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Posted 20 December 2008 - 08:44 AM

How do you check your transketolase levels ?


You can ask your Doc. to prescribe it. I assume any lab will do this although I haven't found any online labs that sell this test. I tested B1 levels a few years back (don't know which test was used) and it was found deficient. I haven't felt right for a long time and my Doctor was never supportive. Whenever he would prescribe a blood test I would take the form, which usually listed all the tests commonly administered, and start checking off things from the list. He got pretty pissed about that. :-D

At that time though, I was totally clueless about how ow B1 would affect my health so I paid no mind to it. Neither did my Doc. He just told me to eat more whole grains. Boy do I regret that oversight... ;)




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