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[3VeRL0ng]

Hey guys. So lately I've been trying to develop a good solid daily regimen/routine for myself, but have been feeling slightly overwhelmed since I am a bit new to this, and must admit pretty confused about what to take when. Plus I don't know whether or not any certain supps. are bound to counteract with each other. But anyways here it goes, and for anyone who wants to give any suggestions/critiquing/questions/comments/recommendations/etc. are entirely & absolutely welcome to. Updates will more than likely be posted down the road:

Personal Info:
Age: 24
Weight: 150 lbs.
Height: 6' 1"
Hair: Blonde
Eyes: Blue

Upon Waking:
-1 Serving Pure Synergy Powder
-1 Tab NOW Co-Enzyme B-Complex
-1 or 2 Enzyme Caps
-5mg Lithium (From 150mg Lithium Orotate)
-500mg Taurine
-3 Caps LEF Mix

With Breakfast:
-2g Fish Oil (Omega Mood)
-1 Cap NOW Antioxidants
-500mg Taurine
-200mg Magnesium Citrate

With Lunch:
-2 Caps Kyolic Garlic (Formula 105)
-4mg Astaxanthin
-3 Caps LEF Mix
-3 Caps Jarrow Mushroom Optimizer

With Dinner:
-2g Fish Oil (Omega Mood)
-1 Tab Now Co-Enzyme B-Complex
-3 Caps Jarrow Mushroom Optimizer
-2 Caps Kyolic Garlic (Form. 105)
-1000mg Taurine
-200mg Magnesium Citrate
-3 Caps LEF Mix
-250mg Maca

Bedtime:
-3mg Melatonin
-3000mg Glycine
-470mg Ashwagandha
-300mg Theanine

Though it may seem a bit small right now, I do plan to eventually adjust and add on to the routine if necessary. I'm mostly trying to go with what has been showing the best results for me, in terms of effectiveness and usefulness. But the following here are what I use for weekly workout days (3 days weight training & 3 days cardio), health-smoothies, and also what I currently have but do not use, due to uncertainty of effectiveness, and confusion of where to place the particular vitamin/supplement into my regimen:

Pre-Workout (for now):
-500-1000mg Taurine

Post-Workout:
-1 Serving GreenMAG Creatine (w/water)
-1 Serving Whey Protein (w/water)

Health Smoothie (water based):
-1 Serv. Raw Power!
-1 Tsp. Bee Pollen
-1/3 Cup Ultimate Meal
-1 Tsp. E3 Renew Me Blend
-1 Serv. Ocean's Alive Marine Phytoplankton
-1 Tbsp. Camu Camu Berry Powder
-1 Serv. Green Mix (Pure Synergy/Sun Is Shining)
-1/2 Tbsp. Organic Honey

Others:
Not being used at the moment-Aniracetam, Piracetam, Picamilon, Ortho-Core, Resveratrol, Gotu Kola, Bacopa.

Have not been used yet-Phenylaline, Huperzine-A, P-5-P.

Lack of usefulness/effectiveness & may consider omitting some-Ginkgo Biloba, Phys-Neur Blended Omega Oil, Blue Mangosteen Caps., Vita Synergy For Men, Sulbutiamine, Vinpocetine, Pyritinol.

Thinking of adding in-Octacosonal, Phosphatidylserine, Pyroglutamic Acid.


So there it is, and like I said, your comments are most welcome.

[wayside]

That's a lot of B vitamins, two of the Now is essentially a B-100, plus what's in the LEF mix (is what you are taking the 9 or 14 for a full dose?). Plus Maca and glycine... are you having energy issues?

And melatonin, theanine, and ashwagandha right before bed... are you having trouble sleeping? You seem pretty young to need all this. That much melatonin knocks me unconscious, and I'm twice your age.

I like a more balanced fish oil (2:1 or 3:2 EPA:DHA ratio).

I see you live in Michigan, which means no meaningful sun for 6 months/year. You might think about adding some vitamin D (and get your levels checked).

[3VeRL0ng]

That's a lot of B vitamins, two of the Now is essentially a B-100, plus what's in the LEF mix (is what you are taking the 9 or 14 for a full dose?). Plus Maca and glycine... are you having energy issues?

Yeah, sometimes I tend to go by the serving amount established on the bottle, but taking it down to one a day is probably a better option since the LEF Mix already contains some B's. Most of the time I feel that my energy levels are fine, but lack of sleep or too much sleep is what I try to avoid, otherwise I'm a zombie. Crashing & rising early is key, so I try to limit going out as much as possible. I mostly take Maca for memory, and Glycine is usually something I take before bedtime.

And melatonin, theanine, and ashwagandha right before bed... are you having trouble sleeping? You seem pretty young to need all this. That much melatonin knocks me unconscious, and I'm twice your age.

Right now I'm mostly experimenting with what's been working for me, and these all seem to work well for helping me sleep better. Sometimes only one out of the group will be taken, depending on how I feel. But I read somewhere on here how Melatonin is a good antioxidant source, even at a young age, but I'm actually contemplating whether or not to continue with it, due to a drowsy feeling I get in the morning. But as for your question, I find that I only have trouble with sleep if too many thoughts are racing, so I find the supps. to be helpful for that manner.

I like a more balanced fish oil (2:1 or 3:2 EPA:DHA ratio).

Some people prefer more balanced, but I find the high EPA formula to be helpful for my needs.

I see you live in Michigan, which means no meaningful sun for 6 months/year. You might think about adding some vitamin D (and get your levels checked).

Yeah, I appreciate you pointing that out, since I seem to forget about vit. D during the winter. Any suggestions on which brand(s) of D to go with?

[wayside]

... I'm actually contemplating whether or not to continue with it, due to a drowsy feeling I get in the morning.

You could try cutting back until you get to a level that doesn't leave you drowsy. 1 mg or even 1/2 mg might be enough.

Yeah, I appreciate you pointing that out, since I seem to forget about vit. D during the winter. Any suggestions on which brand(s) of D to go with?

I take two of these a day, but I think the brand is less important than making sure it is dissolved in oil and is not a powder.

[3VeRL0ng]

Since I plan to change my reg. sometime in January, I decided to list what I'll be taking then. Though I mentioned the current one being "small" (maybe I was just comparing mine to Shepard's mammoth regimen) I've decided to tone it down a notch and keep it short but sweet, and take I feel is/would be effective for me. My main goal is intended to maintain healthy brain function & joint function as well:

Digestive Enzymes (I'll be taking these with my food after workouts)
Glucosamine Sulfate
New Chapter Every Man Multi (Still thinking whether or not I should go with the one a day version)
LEF Blue Berry Extract (I wanna thank Duke for allowing me to learn about this one. Already ordered it & mostly looking forward to begin taking it)
Vitamin D3
New Chapter Prostate 5LX (I may seem pretty young to be using this one, but because of the problems my dad has had, I'll see it as an early warning sign for me. But if anyone could suggest a better supplement regarding prostate health, please inform me)
Jarrow Mushroom Optimizer
NeurOmega
NeuroMemory/Huperzine A
Ashwagandha
Co-Enzyme B-Complex
New Chapter's Berry Green Mix
Probiotics
Resveratrol
Galantamine
CDP Choline
GABA

Unsure whether to start/continue taking:

Octacosanol/Policosanol (Supposedly these are good for brain function, but I really haven't noticed any results, or have seen these used in any of the other members regimens, so I'm assuming it's safe to drop?
NeuroZyme (Seems like a pretty good herbal supp. New Ch. has to offer, but I may start with only taking individual versions of the supp. contained in the stack to get a feel for what works. Right now I'm considering Sage.)
Inositol
Lithium Orotate
Phosphatidylserine (Unsure about continuing since I find the Huperzine A to be more effective for memory)

I'll keep everyone updated as the regimen continues.

[3VeRL0ng]

Well, like I said... that reg definitely was the first of many, having going through an exhaustive, but worthwhile trial-and-error process of truly feeling which has, and has not hit the old "sweet spot" in terms of mental-wellness & physical health. But because I have been feeling so overwhelmed by a time-based/scheduled, hourly regimen, I've been highly considering perhaps a morning batch upon rising, and a batch taken prior to bedtime. Here's how I think it might work:

Morning Batch:
Lithium Carbonate...600mg
Banyan Botanicals Organic Greens...500mg
Jarrow Co-Q10...30mg
Pioneer 1+1 Multivitamin...2 caps
LEF MSM...1000mg

Bedtime Batch:
New Chapter Cinnamon Force...140mg
New Chapter Native Man...2 caps
Banyan Botanicals Blood Cleanse...1000mg
AOR T-100 Thyroid Glandular Support...1 tab

And that's pretty much everything I have planned for up to this point, here's what I have on hand & may just use up until gone: Jarrow Krill Oil, Jarrow Cucumin 95, NOW Astaxanthin, Jarrow Quercetin, Paradise Herbs Maca, Relentless Improvement Resveratrol.

What I'm highly considering adding: NOW Maca, Banyan Botanicals: Kidney, Hair, and Lung Formulas, Kyolic Garlic Formula 103.

[3VeRL0ng]

Well, like I said... that reg definitely was the first of many, having going through an exhaustive, but worthwhile trial-and-error process of truly feeling which has, and has not hit the old "sweet spot" in terms of mental-wellness & physical health. But because I have been feeling so overwhelmed by a time-based/scheduled, hourly regimen, I've been highly considering perhaps a morning batch upon rising, and a batch taken prior to bedtime. Here's how I think it might work:

Morning Batch:
Lithium Carbonate...600mg
Banyan Botanicals Organic Greens...500mg
Jarrow Co-Q10...30mg
Pioneer 1+1 Multivitamin...2 caps
LEF MSM...1000mg

Bedtime Batch:
New Chapter Cinnamon Force...140mg
New Chapter Native Man...2 caps
Banyan Botanicals Blood Cleanse...1000mg
AOR T-100 Thyroid Glandular Support...1 tab

And that's pretty much everything I have planned for up to this point, here's what I have on hand & may just use up until gone: Jarrow Krill Oil, Jarrow Cucumin 95, NOW Astaxanthin, Jarrow Quercetin, Paradise Herbs Maca, Relentless Improvement Resveratrol.

What I'm highly considering adding: NOW Maca, Banyan Botanicals: Kidney, Hair, and Lung Formulas, Kyolic Garlic Formula 103.

Supplements which I avoid at all costs: Ginkgo, Vinpocetine, basically most things which cause vasodilation.

Post Workout: Jay Robb's Whey & YAMMIT!

edit: my finger slipped and hit "enter", sending the post before I was even finished.

[3VeRL0ng]

Once again, another update to the 'ol reg. This probably won't be started until the next coming week or so, given that some of the things I had ordered aren't here @ the moment just yet, but I'll list everything that will be incorporated.

Note: Through contemplation, I had decided to go ahead & give Lith. Carbonate a try, as seen in my last reg., and felt a dramatic difference, especially compared to the Orotate form. But due to constant, I mean consistent anxiety, I just couldn't handle the stuff anymore. It is possible an anxiolytic, such as Xanax, may have counteracted this effect, but I sure as hell wouldn't wanna go down that road.

For Regimen:
-L-Tyrosine (500-1000mg daily)
-CDP Choline (250-500mg daily, or maybe EOD based on consistency)
-Banyan Botanicals Organic Greens
-New Chapter Native Man
-New Chapter Cinammon Force
-Pioneer 1+1 Multi
-Jarrow Co-Q10 (30mg)
-Carlson's Fish Oil

Products On Hand (Still Pending Incorporating Into Regimen):
-Folic Acid
-Nature's Bounty Super Goat Weed (As Needed)
-NOW B-2
-Manganese
-NeuroLink
-Neurovite
-Jay Robb "Perfect Day" Vitamin Pk.
-Kyolic Garlic
-B-Vitamins
-LEF MSM
-Jay Robb Whey
-Kyo Green
-E3 Live
-P-5-P
-Huperzine
-Glycine
-Galantamine
-Bacopa
-Milk Thistle
-Pycnogenol
-Omega Cardio

Still Waiting On The Following:
-Magnesium (Glycinate, Orotate, Taurate)
-Graviola

Products Used As Prophylaxis:
-Resveratrol
-Curcumin
-Banyan Botanicals Blood Cleanse
-Anti Alcohol Antioxidants
-Astaxanthin...

... I welcome & encourage any comments and/or suggestions.

Edited by 3VeRL0ng, 10 September 2009 - 02:33 AM.

[kismet]

Milk Thistle? I think there's still no evidence supporting its use. Folic acid, no. Garlic, probably a waste of money. P5P and glycine are interesting from this list. Aren't you too young for CoQ10?

Why did you drop taurine? It's probably interesting prophylactically before abusing alcohol and it may be an interesting supplement for daily use. A blood cleanse? (smells fishy, you sure you don't want to donate your money to SENS instead of throwing it out of the window like that?)

Edited by kismet, 10 September 2009 - 02:48 PM.

[pycnogenol]

Milk Thistle? I think there's still no evidence supporting its use.

Yeah, most studies have been small and poorly designed. More research is needed
before a recommendation can be made.

That being said, I do take milk thistle. Hope springs eternal folks! Or so they say...

Edited by pycnogenol, 10 September 2009 - 03:08 PM.

[3VeRL0ng]

Milk Thistle? I think there's still no evidence supporting its use. Folic acid, no. Garlic, probably a waste of money. P5P and glycine are interesting from this list. Aren't you too young for CoQ10?

Why did you drop taurine? It's probably interesting prophylactically before abusing alcohol and it may be an interesting supplement for daily use. A blood cleanse? (smells fishy, you sure you don't want to donate your money to SENS instead of throwing it out of the window like that?)

Perhaps, I just figured I'd use it "when needed", that is if I ever decide to partake in a glass, or two, or three . Yeah, the Folic Acid's still up in the air, but I do remember having a (surprisingly) good response to it: more energy & even a lift in mood. Kyolic I probably should've put under the "prophylaxis" category. What exactly do you mean by "interesting" regarding Glycine & P-5-P? And don't get me wrong, I find Taurine to be excellent, and a great all-around amino, however my tolerance to it built up rather too fast, but I'd like to see if I get sort of a same effect with the Taurate form of Magnesium, without the tolerance. LOL, and yes the BB: "Blood Cleanse" supplement does come off as a bit outlandish, but I give full credit to ajnast4r for hearing about this stuff, and in addition to treating it as a Prophylaxis, I'm hoping to notice skin benefits as well. Thnks for your response kismet.

[3VeRL0ng]

Milk Thistle? I think there's still no evidence supporting its use. Folic acid, no. Garlic, probably a waste of money. P5P and glycine are interesting from this list. Aren't you too young for CoQ10?

Why did you drop taurine? It's probably interesting prophylactically before abusing alcohol and it may be an interesting supplement for daily use. A blood cleanse? (smells fishy, you sure you don't want to donate your money to SENS instead of throwing it out of the window like that?)

Perhaps, I just figured I'd use it "when needed", that is if I ever decide to partake in a glass, or two, or three . Yeah, the Folic Acid's still up in the air, but I do remember having a (surprisingly) good response to it: more energy & even a lift in mood. Kyolic I probably should've put under the "prophylaxis" category. What exactly do you mean by "interesting" regarding Glycine & P-5-P? And don't get me wrong, I find Taurine to be excellent, and a great all-around amino, however my tolerance to it built up rather too fast, but I'd like to see if I get sort of a same effect with the Taurate form of Magnesium, without the tolerance. LOL, and yes the BB: "Blood Cleanse" supplement does come off as a bit outlandish, but I give full credit to ajnast4r for hearing about this stuff, and in addition to treating it as a Prophylaxis, I'm hoping to notice skin benefits as well. Thnks for your response kismet.

Damn, looks like it's a little too late to edit, I just forgot to point out & mention how LEF's AAA already contains Milk Thistle (Silybum Marianum), so I actually didn't really have to consider its stand-alone form.

Edited by 3VeRL0ng, 10 September 2009 - 05:26 PM.

[kismet]

What exactly do you mean by "interesting" regarding Glycine & P-5-P?

Interesting as in "probably better than the rest". Assuming you have a good diet (which is already high in folic acid), there should be no benefit from folic acid + possibly increased risk of cancer.

And don't get me wrong, I find Taurine to be excellent, and a great all-around amino, however my tolerance to it built up rather too fast, but I'd like to see if I get sort of a same effect with the Taurate form of Magnesium, without the tolerance.

I didn't know that taurine is one of those AAs that you are supposed (or hypothetically might) 'feel'? Sure it's involved in some interesting brain functions, but I didn't know of any such side-effects? What exactly? And it's primarly not interesting for any performance enhancing or nootropic effect. 

Milk thistle use would only make some sense once you trashed your liver, there's really no evidence of protection that I can think of.

Edited by kismet, 10 September 2009 - 08:00 PM.

[3VeRL0ng]

I didn't know that taurine is one of those AAs that you are supposed (or hypothetically might) 'feel'? Sure it's involved in some interesting brain functions, but I didn't know of any such side-effects? What exactly? And it's primarly not interesting for any performance enhancing or nootropic effect.

Interesting indeed. It's said to be involved with GABA somehow, but rather than feeling calm (after the first time taking) I felt rather more "sped-up", but definitely not something like Adderall, and also, not sure if it was placebo or not, but I found that my writer's block was less severe... but hey, everyone's different. There is a Natural Supplement Research website I go to, through AmenClinics.com, and "symptoms of mania" is one of the possible side effects listed, so I'm guessing it has everything to do with an individuals chemistry.

Why did you drop taurine? It's probably interesting prophylactically before abusing alcohol and it may be an interesting supplement for daily use.

BTW, something I probably should've asked the first time around, but at which dosage & time frame (that is exactly how long before actual consumption) should Taurine be used beforehand? 1gm taken an hour beforehand? 2gms taken @ two hours beforehand? Does it provide any kind of neuroprotection against ethanol?

[niner]

I didn't know that taurine is one of those AAs that you are supposed (or hypothetically might) 'feel'? Sure it's involved in some interesting brain functions, but I didn't know of any such side-effects? What exactly? And it's primarly not interesting for any performance enhancing or nootropic effect.

Interesting indeed. It's said to be involved with GABA somehow, but rather than feeling calm (after the first time taking) I felt rather more "sped-up", but definitely not something like Adderall, and also, not sure if it was placebo or not, but I found that my writer's block was less severe... but hey, everyone's different. There is a Natural Supplement Research website I go to, through AmenClinics.com, and "symptoms of mania" is one of the possible side effects listed, so I'm guessing it has everything to do with an individuals chemistry.

Taurine is included in some "Energy" drinks. From that, I'll guess that at least some people feel it. I can't tell a difference if I take 500mg taurine at night or in the morning. Maybe 500's not enough to feel...

[maxwatt]

What exactly do you mean by "interesting" regarding Glycine & P-5-P?

Interesting as in "probably better than the rest". Assuming you have a good diet (which is already high in folic acid), there should be no benefit from folic acid + possibly increased risk of cancer.

And don't get me wrong, I find Taurine to be excellent, and a great all-around amino, however my tolerance to it built up rather too fast, but I'd like to see if I get sort of a same effect with the Taurate form of Magnesium, without the tolerance.

I didn't know that taurine is one of those AAs that you are supposed (or hypothetically might) 'feel'? Sure it's involved in some interesting brain functions, but I didn't know of any such side-effects? What exactly? And it's primarly not interesting for any performance enhancing or nootropic effect. 

Milk thistle use would only make some sense once you trashed your liver, there's really no evidence of protection that I can think of.

Milk thistle does more than protect the liver. Milk thistle's active ingredient is silymarin, like resveratrol it is a P53 deacetylase, and recently has been shown activate Sirt1. Thi does not necessarily mean it should be taken prophetically.

Activation of the SIRT1 pathway and modulation of the cell cycle were involved in silymarin's protection against UV-induced A375-S2 cell apoptosis.
Li LH, Wu LJ, Tashiro SI, Onodera S, Uchiumi F, Ikejima T.
J Asian Nat Prod Res. 2007 Apr-Aug;9(3-5):245-52.
PMID: 17566917

Silibinin protects against isoproterenol-induced rat cardiac myocyte injury through mitochondrial pathway after up-regulation of SIRT1.
Zhou B, Wu LJ, Li LH, Tashiro S, Onodera S, Uchiumi F, Ikejima T.
J Pharmacol Sci. 2006 Dec;102(4):387-95.
PMID: 17170512

[1kgcoffee]

1000mg MSM?
That's hardly anything. I'm taking 10-15 grams (cycled) personally

[3VeRL0ng]

[]=As Needed

Morning:
-[Jarro-Dophilus (1 cap)]
-Pioneer 1+1 (2 caps)
-Jarrow L-Tyrosine (500-1000mg)
-[Banyan Botanical: Lung Formula]
-[LEF Anti-Alcohol-Antioxidants (2-6 caps)]

Breakfast:
-Carlson's Fish Oil (1/2-1 TBSP)
-LEF Complete B-Complex (1 cap)
-Taurine (500-1000mg)

Lunch:
-Banyan Botanicals: Organic Greens
-New Chapter: Native Man
-New Chapter: Cinnamon Force

Dinner:
-Carlson's Fish Oil (1/2-1 TBSP)
-Jarrow CoQ10 (30mg)
-Resveratrol (300mg)
-NOW Astaxanthin (4mg)
-LifeGive Hormone Power

1-2 Hrs. Following Dinner:
-L-Tyrosine (500-1000mg)
-Taurine (1000-2000mg)

Before Crashing:
-Jarro-Dophilus (1 cap)
-LEF Glycine (3 caps)
-Banyan Botanicals: Blood Cleanse
-Bacopa

Kept Inside Vita-Case:
-L-Tyrosine
-Taurine
-Super Goat Weed
-Huperzine
-Magnesium? (still waiting on this)

Taken as needed, for I find these to be helpful in terms of mood/cognition/performance.

Products Used As Needed:
-CDP-Choline
-Galantamine/Huperzine
-Super Goat Weed
-Centrophenoxine
-Banyan Botanicals: Kidney Formula
-BB: Healthy Hair

Considering Adding:
-L-Glutamine
-Coenzyme B-Complex (will replace B-Complex if considered)
-Dandelion
-L-Lysine
-NOW Vitamin-C
-LEF MSM

Products On The Way:
-Magnesium (Glycinate, Orotate, and Taurate)
-NOW Graviola

Note: In case I ever do plan on going out, perhaps once, twice a week, the supplements listed in the “Before Crashing” category will be ignored completely to avoid any harmful interactions.

[niner]

-[Banyan Botanical: Lung Formula
-Jarrow CoQ10 (30mg)
-LifeGive Hormone Power
-Banyan Botanicals: Blood Cleanse
-Super Goat Weed
-Banyan Botanicals: Kidney Formula

What's wrong with your lungs, blood, and kidneys? At your age, do you need CoQ10? Would the Goat Weed work if you didn't know you were taking it? What does "Hormone Power" do? It seems like there are a lot of things here with fancy marketing names but undefined content and function.

[3VeRL0ng]

Well, feeling the "aftereffects" (wheezing, coughing) of being in smokey environments (bars mostly, which btw only happens on occasion), and being a smoker for over 7 years (currently don't smoke), and having friends who smoke, I much rather would ingest a formula targeted specifically for health lung function, just to be on the safe side. And btw, that's why I put it into the "used as needed" category, most preferably following a night out w/friends. The kidney formula was considered only because I find while taking creatine I tend to pee more frequently & find it kind of annoying, so hopefully it could help with this issue. And again, I mentioned the blood formula being used as a prophylaxis, so nothing's necessarily wrong... but I did catch mono in high school, however all my blood results turned out fine. That's the 2nd person who's mentioned age & CoQ10, I'll just say this, after I had given it a try for the first time I felt an immediate release of energy, less fatigue, which are things I normally tend to feel, so I consider it acceptable in my book... I mean is this ok? or is it supposedly dangerous/harmful to be taking at my age? Hormone Power contains Nettle Root (and in case you wondering: Chrysin, Pumpkin Seed, and Pygeum Extract), which I know is (and all, though I'm not quite familiar with Pygeum) good for boosting testosterone. Next time I'll remember to list the ingredients in each of the formulated supplements used to avoid any confusion.

[kismet]

That's the 2nd person who's mentioned age & CoQ10, I'll just say this, after I had given it a try for the first time I felt an immediate release of energy, less fatigue, which are things I normally tend to feel, so I consider it acceptable in my book... I mean is this ok? or is it supposedly dangerous/harmful to be taking at my age?

It's useless at best and dangerous at worst, I'd say. It's potentially dangerous at high doses, but I'm not sure how the rodent dose they used translates to a human dose. I think you should try taking your supplements in a double-blind manner, just to make sure you're not experiencing a placebo effect.... it seems you get a boost from almost any supplement. 

Hormone Power contains Nettle Root (and in case you wondering: Chrysin, Pumpkin Seed, and Pygeum Extract), which I know is (and all, though I'm not quite familiar with Pygeum) good for boosting testosterone. Next time I'll remember to list the ingredients in each of the formulated supplements used to avoid any confusion.

AFAIK those substances do nothing for testosterone and if they did, you would probably not feel their minor effects and, if anything, it would damage long term health. The potential, minimal T raising benefits of those supplements should not be worth the twofold risk of taking those substances (risk inherent to exogenous substances and the risk of increased T levels if they really should work).

[3VeRL0ng]

Instead of listing what I've decided to remove, I'm actually "renewing", or rebooting if you will, my reg.  For now, I'm keeping it pretty basic, simple, and essential until I decide on expanding it even further, but as long as this stupid codex law doesn't prevent me from continuing with my purchases, I'll be just fine 

(Just for now I'm listing what I will be incorporating, once everything's in hand I will post the actual, schedule-based reg.):

-AOR Multi-Basics 3

-Natural Factors RxOmega-3

-LEF Complete B-Complex

-Jarrow NAC (500mg)... (I'll be switching to NOW brand NAC, or perhaps even AOR's sustained NAC)

-VRP Lithium Orotate

-AOR Cardio Mag (v2.0)

-VRP Vitamin C Ascorbic Acid




To be continued...

[sentrysnipe]

What do you need the graviola for?

[3VeRL0ng]

What do you need the graviola for?

I'm guessing that you're probably interested in supplementing Graviola since you had posted something similar on Lufega's thread just recently as well. I wouldn't really say that I "needed" it, for being one who is open to experiment with new herbs/supplements that in which seem appealing to me. I really was only interested in what it could, or would do for me cognitively/mentally, since I had been aware about it's ability of (possibly) warding off brain tumors. And the brain-related supps. are more so my thing. btw, I feel that I didn't give it enough time to tell a difference, for I may have gotten sidetracked supplementing something else, perhaps I may extend the duration the next time I decide to pick it back up. Thanks for the question.

[sentrysnipe]

What do you need the graviola for?

I'm guessing that you're probably interested in supplementing Graviola since you had posted something similar on Lufega's thread just recently as well. I wouldn't really say that I "needed" it, for being one who is open to experiment with new herbs/supplements that in which seem appealing to me. I really was only interested in what it could, or would do for me cognitively/mentally, since I had been aware about it's ability of (possibly) warding off brain tumors. And the brain-related supps. are more so my thing. btw, I feel that I didn't give it enough time to tell a difference, for I may have gotten sidetracked supplementing something else, perhaps I may extend the duration the next time I decide to pick it back up. Thanks for the question.

No, I was going to echo the consensus here that Graviola causes atypical Parkinsonian symptoms, causes nerve damage even at short term usage via mitochondrial complex I inhibition.

And I noticed you were taking CoQ10 concurrently so it would seem counterproductive.