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[Forever21]

http://www.cnn.com/2...tml#cnnSTCVideo

http://www.cnn.com/2...html#cnnSTCText

[Dmitri]

http://www.cnn.com/2...tml#cnnSTCVideo

http://www.cnn.com/2...html#cnnSTCText

Interesting, perhaps I should convince my mother and father to take Coq10.

My regimen is the same as the third doctor's (muliti and VIT D3), I also add green and hibiscus tea; not sure they would qualify as supplements though.

[Forever21]

essential nutrients from food

http://whfoods.org/nutrientstoc.php

[Dmitri]

essential nutrients from food

http://whfoods.org/nutrientstoc.php

I use the cron-o-meter which shows 0% for Vit D everyday (rice milk has 25% but the meter does not have rice milk in it's database). I'm not going to eat shrimp, fish and egg everyday (that's a lot of cholesterol) so I have to take the D3 (at least 3 days a week like my multi), I try to avoid dairy since it provokes gas.

Edited by Dmitri, 14 November 2008 - 03:54 AM.

[Forever21]

Are you doing the actual CRON right now?

When did you hear of CRON and when did you start?

[ajnast4r]

I'm not going to eat shrimp, fish and egg everyday (that's a lot of cholesterol)

dietary cholesterol generally has no impact on blood cholesterol.

but keep taking the D

[gattaca]

Still looking for reliable research supporting CoQ10 supplementation in healthy individuals.

[Dmitri]

Are you doing the actual CRON right now?

When did you hear of CRON and when did you start?

I heard about CR years ago, but I recently downloaded the cron-o-meter that MR posted on another thread. I was surprised to see the calories I was eating, all this time I thoght I was consuming around 2,200-2,500 but it turns out it's actually about 1,600 (according to the meter) so I guess I am on CR? This might explain why I struggled during the weight aerobic portions of my workout (I seem to have no problem with regular aerobics though) what do you think?

[Dmitri]

I'm not going to eat shrimp, fish and egg everyday (that's a lot of cholesterol)

dietary cholesterol generally has no impact on blood cholesterol.

but keep taking the D

Then how do people get high cholesterol?

[4eva]

Roger Williams who isolated pantothenic acid among other nutrients has written about how we are biochemically unique. In one of his books he said there was a family that needed high doses of vitamin A. High enough doses I think that might be toxic to other people.

I don't care what some expert takes in terms of supplements. I wouldn't take the same regimen of any expert because I have no reason to believe that we are biochemically alike.

I think supplementing should be done according to tests for nutritional deficiencies and according to symptoms. Unfortunately there may not be enough tests that we know of to indicate every possible nutritional problem so there is some guesswork which can rely on symptoms as an adjunct to the tests. Even genetic testing to indicate nutritional deficiencies is still new; but this approach indicates how our genetics determine our nutritional needs. One size or one supplement regimen does not fit all.

So when some health experts make claims about what nutrients are important or useful to supplement and what ones are not important that info is for people who don't use tests or symptoms as indications of their unique nutritional needs.

[shaggy]

I'm not going to eat shrimp, fish and egg everyday (that's a lot of cholesterol)

dietary cholesterol generally has no impact on blood cholesterol.

but keep taking the D

Then how do people get high cholesterol?

The human body makes around 80% of its cholestrol, so I believe.

[Dmitri]

I'm not going to eat shrimp, fish and egg everyday (that's a lot of cholesterol)

dietary cholesterol generally has no impact on blood cholesterol.

but keep taking the D

Then how do people get high cholesterol?

The human body makes around 80% of its cholestrol, so I believe.

If diet has no impact like you claim then why do those with high cholesterol go on special diets and why do certain foods lower cholesterol in the blood?

[shaggy]

I'm not going to eat shrimp, fish and egg everyday (that's a lot of cholesterol)

dietary cholesterol generally has no impact on blood cholesterol.

but keep taking the D

Then how do people get high cholesterol?

The human body makes around 80% of its cholestrol, so I believe.

If diet has no impact like you claim then why do those with high cholesterol go on special diets and why do certain foods lower cholesterol in the blood?

I would say little impact... and what exact substances are you thinking about?

[EmbraceUnity]

If diet has no impact like you claim then why do those with high cholesterol go on special diets and why do certain foods lower cholesterol in the blood?

Sugar and certain saturated fats are known to raise bad LDL cholesterol, and simply overeating in general can do it. Vitamin deficiencies increase the risk of endothelial malfunction (like Atherosclerosis) and exogenous AGEs can also lead to high cholesterol.

Edited by progressive, 15 November 2008 - 09:17 AM.

[shaggy]

If diet has no impact like you claim then why do those with high cholesterol go on special diets and why do certain foods lower cholesterol in the blood?

Sugar and certain saturated fats are known to raise bad LDL cholesterol, and simply overeating in general can do it. Vitamin deficiencies increase the risk of endothelial malfunction (like Atherosclerosis) and exogenous AGEs can also lead to high cholesterol.

Please explain what substances you mean when talking about "exogenous AGE's"?

Thanks

[JLL]

^ Probably AGEs formed by processing food and not AGEs produced by the body.

Some saturated fats (like coconut oil) also raise HDL, and I think - correct me on this if I'm wrong - some polyunsaturated fats raise triglycerides and LDL.

[ajnast4r]

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Edited by ajnast4r, 15 November 2008 - 03:24 PM.

[ajnast4r]

Then how do people get high cholesterol?

liver dysfunction. usually from altered LDL receptor activity from too much saturated fat.

If diet has no impact like you claim then why do those with high cholesterol go on special diets and why do certain foods lower cholesterol in the blood?

again, through altering LDL receptor activity in the liver.. also by binding saturated fat/cholesterol in the gut (fiber)

[Lufega]

If diet has no impact like you claim then why do those with high cholesterol go on special diets and why do certain foods lower cholesterol in the blood?

The body makes cholesterol from dietary fats and triglycerides and NOT from dietary cholesterol. That's why they recommend eating less saturated fats. THAT is what actually raises cholesterol. I've been eating 3 eggs a day for years, and my cholesterol is in check. So, certain foods can themselves raise and lower cholesterol.