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[Brafarality]

The title was cut off. Here it is:
Willingness to post close-up pics separates the contenders from the pretenders.
Totally 100% kidding!!

Here beginneth post:

It takes ages sometimes to get that one pic you are proud enough of to post online at MySpace, Facebook, the ImmInst, or anywhere else, for that matter: guess I can also throw Twine onto this list, since it was recently referenced as a Web 3.0 rising star in another thread. There are innumerable factors that lead to hesitation when deciding whether to post a pic and which one to select.

Self-esteem, knowledge of lighting and its effects on appearance in photos, inability to pose face properly when snapshot is taken, fear of proliferation of pic to unwanted destinations, exacting standards, etc.: all exert an influence. Lack of willingness to post an upclose pic is in no way any sort of indicator of how young or good someone looks, for his/her age or in general.

So, do not despair when you boast about your skin care regime and someone finally asks you to pony up and provide a pic in order to determine whether you are a qualified Esthetician/Nutritionist/Cosmetologist/Skincare specialist or whatever.

Just say: "No. I'm not comfortable with posting a pic of myself at this time."
They may reply: "It's over then. I'm not taking any more of your advice."
And you reply back: "That's not much coming from a pussy like you."

Edited by paulthekind, 15 November 2008 - 08:45 AM.

[Brafarality]

A little easter egg for those who explored this post.
Just a list of the cosmetic functions of cosmetic ingredients:

ABRASIVE
ABSORBENT
ANTICAKING
ANTICORROSIVE
ANTIDANDRUFF
ANTIFOAMING
ANTIMICROBIAL
ANTIOXIDANT
ANTIPERSPIRANT
ANTIPLAQUE
ANTISEBORRHOEIC
ANTISTATIC
ASTRINGENT
BINDING
BLEACHING
BUFFERING
BULKING
CHELATING
CLEANSING
COSMETIC COLORANT
DENATURANT
DEODORANT
DEPILATORY
DETANGLING
EMOLLIENT
EMULSIFYING
EMULSION STABILISING
FILM FORMING
FLAVOURING
FOAM BOOSTING
FOAMING
GEL FORMING
HAIR CONDITIONING
HAIR DYEING
HAIR FIXING
HAIR WAVING OR STRAIGHTENING
HUMECTANT
HYDROTROPE
KERATOLYTIC
MASKING
MOISTURISING
NAIL CONDITIONING
NOT REPORTED
OPACIFYING
ORAL CARE
OXIDISING
PEARLESCENT
PERFUMING
PLASTICISER
PRESERVATIVE
PROPELLANT
REDUCING
REFATTING
REFRESHING
SKIN CONDITIONING
SKIN PROTECTING
SMOOTHING
SOLVENT
SOOTHING
STABILISING
SURFACTANT
TANNING
TONIC
UV ABSORBER
UV FILTER
VISCOSITY CONTROLLING

And the description for each: (Just cut and paste each column onto columns 1 and 2 of a spreadsheet to see it all match up!):

Removes materials from various body surfaces or aids mechanical tooth cleaning or improves gloss
Takes up water- and/or oil-soluble dissolved or finely dispersed substances
Allows free flow of solid particles and thus avoids agglomeration of powdered cosmetics into lumps or hard masses
Prevents corrosion of the packaging
Helps control dandruff
Suppresses foam during manufacturing or reduces the tendency of finished products to generate foam
Helps control the growth of micro-organisms on the skin
Inhibits reactions promoted by oxygen, thus avoiding oxidation and rancidity
Reduces perspiration
Helps protect against plaque
Helps control sebum production
Reduces static electricity by neutralising electrical charge on a surface
Contracts the skin
Provides cohesion in cosmetics
Lightens the shade of hair or skin
Stabilises the pH of cosmetics
Reduces bulk density of cosmetics
Reacts and forms complexes with metal ions which could affect the stability and/or appearance of cosmetics
Helps to keep the body surface clean
Colours cosmetics and/or imparts colour to the skin and/or its appendages. All colours listed are substances on the positive list of colorants (Annex IV of the Cosmetics Directive)
Renders cosmetics unpalatable. Mostly added to cosmetics containing ethyl alcohol
Reduces or masks unpleasant body odours
Removes unwanted body hair
Reduces or eliminates hair intertwining due to hair surface alteration or damage and, thus, helps combing
Softens and smooths the skin
Promotes the formation of intimate mixtures of non-miscible liquids by altering the interfacial tension
Helps the process of emulsification and improves emulsion stability and shelf-life
Produces, upon application, a continuous film on skin, hair or nails
Gives flavour to the cosmetic product
Improves the quality of the foam produced by a system by increasing one or more of the following properties: volume, texture and/or stability
Traps numerous small bubbles of air or other gas within a small volume of liquid by modifying the surface tension of the liquid
Gives the consistency of a gel (a semi-solid preparation with some elasticity) to a liquid preparation
Leaves the hair easy to comb, supple, soft and shiny and/or imparts volume, lightness, gloss, etc.
Colours hair
Permits physical control of hair style
Modifies the chemical structure of the hair, allowing it to be set in the style required
Holds and retains moisture
Enhances the solubility of substance which is only slightly soluble in water
Helps eliminate the dead cells of the stratum corneum
Reduces or inhibits the basic odour or taste of the product
Increases the water content of the skin and helps keep it soft and smooth
Improves the cosmetic characteristics of the nail
NOT REPORTED
Reduces transparency or translucency of cosmetics
Provides cosmetic effects to the oral cavity, e.g. cleansing, deodorising, protecting
Changes the chemical nature of another substance by adding oxygen or removing hydrogen
Imparts a nacreous appearance to cosmetics
Used for perfume and aromatic raw materials (Section II)
Softens and makes supple another substance that otherwise could not be easily deformed, spread or worked out
Inhibits primarily the development of micro-organisms in cosmetics. All preservatives listed are substances on the positive list of preservatives (Annex VI of the Cosmetics Directive)
Generates pressure in an aerosol pack, expelling contents when the valve is opened. Some liquefied propellants can act as solvents
Changes the chemical nature of another substance by adding hydrogen or removing oxygen
Replenishes the lipids of the hair or of the top layers of the skin
Imparts a pleasant freshness to the skin
Maintains the skin in good condition
Helps to avoid harmful effects to the skin from external factors
Seeks to achieve an even skin surface by decreasing roughness or irregularities
Dissolves other substances
Helps lightening discomfort of the skin or of the scalp
Improves ingredients or formulation stability and shelf-life
Lowers the surface tension of cosmetics as well as aids the even distribution of the product when used
Darkens the skin with or without exposure to UV
Produces a feeling of well-being on skin and hair
Protects the cosmetic product from the effects of UV-light
Filters certain UV rays in order to protect the skin or the hair from harmful effects of these rays. All UV filters listed are substances on the positive list of UV filters (Annex VII of the Cosmetics Directive)
Increases or decreases the viscosity of cosmetics

Or, you could go the much easier route and just view the list here.

[Eva Victoria]

The title was cut off. Here it is:
Willingness to post close-up pics separates the contenders from the pretenders.
Totally 100% kidding!!

Here beginneth post:

It takes ages sometimes to get that one pic you are proud enough of to post online at MySpace, Facebook, the ImmInst, or anywhere else, for that matter: guess I can also throw Twine onto this list, since it was recently referenced as a Web 3.0 rising star in another thread. There are innumerable factors that lead to hesitation when deciding whether to post a pic and which one to select.

Self-esteem, knowledge of lighting and its effects on appearance in photos, inability to pose face properly when snapshot is taken, fear of proliferation of pic to unwanted destinations, exacting standards, etc.: all exert an influence. Lack of willingness to post an upclose pic is in no way any sort of indicator of how young or good someone looks, for his/her age or in general.

So, do not despair when you boast about your skin care regime and someone finally asks you to pony up and provide a pic in order to determine whether you are a qualified Esthetician/Nutritionist/Cosmetologist/Skincare specialist or whatever.

Just say: "No. I'm not comfortable with posting a pic of myself at this time."
They may reply: "It's over then. I'm not taking any more of your advice."
And you reply back: "That's not much coming from a pussy like you."

[Brafarality]

I was a bit worried for a sec that someone would read this and think it was in any way meant to be taken seriously.
It is a wasted thread, however:

Admins!
If you have a moment to spare and wouldnt mind, could you delete this thread.
I have the text saved...Id rather just add it to this thread.

Thanks hardily and merrily.

[VictorBjoerk]

I think that more people should post pictures of themself if they want other people to trust them....

[Ben]

Why stop at close up facial pics? . I know you all want me to start the bidding. Ooo you tease!

[Brafarality]

Why stop at close up facial pics? . I know you all want me to start the bidding. Ooo you tease!

LOLOL Oh behave!

[mustardseed41]

I think that more people should post pictures of themself if they want other people to trust them....

I dont. Trust that they have better genes than average maybe? Better looking than average?

[VictorBjoerk]

I think that more people should post pictures of themself if they want other people to trust them....

I dont. Trust that they have better genes than average maybe? Better looking than average?

Genes controls looks like the shape of your facial features etc but as for having perfect skin etc it's not only genes but a lot of skincare too..

[kismet]

I do not need pictures to trust anyone. Yet I'd like to see close-up pics to see just how much we can do for our skin at the moment. Even knowing that there is quite a lot of variability, I still kinda feel the urge to see pics. If lots of people posted them, we could even compare to the average population and get a rough idea if the treatments really help or how much they help.

[Brafarality]

I do not need pictures to trust anyone. Yet I'd like to see close-up pics to see just how much we can do for our skin at the moment. Even knowing that there is quite a lot of variability, I still kinda feel the urge to see pics. If lots of people posted them, we could even compare to the average population and get a rough idea if the treatments really help or how much they help.

I definitely think pics are cool, the problem is that most are not able to judge how good or young they look in pictures of themselves and, as a result, are hestitant to post 99.999% of the ones they have on file.

Also, there is a bit of luck involved in getting a good, clear and flattering photo.
The only ones of use here are the good and clear ones, and the only ones that most will post are the flattering ones:
Merging good, clear and flattering, intertwinedly, seamlessly, is as alchemical as a Kate Moss editorial spread, thus the lack of posted clear photos.

[VictorBjoerk]

I do not need pictures to trust anyone. Yet I'd like to see close-up pics to see just how much we can do for our skin at the moment. Even knowing that there is quite a lot of variability, I still kinda feel the urge to see pics. If lots of people posted them, we could even compare to the average population and get a rough idea if the treatments really help or how much they help.

I definitely think pics are cool, the problem is that most are not able to judge how good or young they look in pictures of themselves and, as a result, are hestitant to post 99.999% of the ones they have on file.

Also, there is a bit of luck involved in getting a good, clear and flattering photo.
The only ones of use here are the good and clear ones, and the only ones that most will post are the flattering ones:
Merging good, clear and flattering, intertwinedly, seamlessly, is as alchemical as a Kate Moss editorial spread, thus the lack of posted clear photos.

I think it's very good to post pictures of yourself when talking about your skincare, For example when I saw the picture of Paulthekind I saw the cosmetic improvements of avoiding the suns Uv rays as well as a healthy lifestyle in general. So yes if you are giving other people advice and talk about your own skin care regime of course it makes your knowledge more credible if you post a picture of yourself so other people can judge. Genes aren't the major factor here. Don't use sunscreen for your whole life and then blame your youthful skin on your genes!

[thefirstimmortal]

I think it's very good to post pictures of yourself when talking about your skincare, For example when I saw the picture of Paulthekind I saw the cosmetic improvements of avoiding the suns Uv rays as well as a healthy lifestyle in general. So yes if you are giving other people advice and talk about your own skin care regime of course it makes your knowledge more credible if you post a picture of yourself so other people can judge. Genes aren't the major factor here. Don't use sunscreen for your whole life and then blame your youthful skin on your genes!

Where was the pic of Paulthekind? And Mind, your skin looks pretty fresh, do you use a skin cream?
(post e-mailed to Mind)

[VictorBjoerk]

http://approaching40...ecent-pics.html

I think this was the one posted of him....

[Heliotrope]

I'm impressed by Paul's pics, he looks young for 40 years old, could easily pass for a 20-something, even a 20-year-old (depending on height, weight, demeanor/contenance/personality etc)

I haven't got the time and energy to start a full skin-care/cosmetic regimen yet. I'm 22 and think I look that age too, don't want to post yet bc i'm a relatively private person regarding posting things online.

[Brainbox]

Admins!
If you have a moment to spare and wouldnt mind, could you delete this thread.
I have the text saved...Id rather just add it to this thread.

Thanks hardily and merrily.

Since the humour of the thread did continue in a quite positive way, I'm inclined to not to delete it.

[Heliotrope]

Maybe some are unwilling to post not because of the difficulty in getting their pics taken in the clear, up-close, neutral , yet flattering manner for it to be useful, but due to the possibility of releasing their true-selves online. my family doesn't know i'm on a non-stream, radical website , on the fringe of science, since they're pretty much deathists and average/neutral with regard to "immortality" at best.

with technology ever increasing, there'll be a time to google/search not only strings of key words but a completely "image-based" searching function, where you paste a pic in the Search box, and out will come all the pictures over the net matching the person or the exact pic.

If there is a function to create a new member-only, "Immnist's private country-club" forum like suggested by victor here,
http://www.imminst.o...o...c=25782&hl=

then there may be a lot of enthusiam of true members posting, separating contenders & pretenders

[thefirstimmortal]

http://approaching40...ecent-pics.html

I think this was the one posted of him....

Very youthful indeed.

[thefirstimmortal]

POSTED UNDER THE THREAT OF CENSORSHIP

Admins!
If you have a moment to spare and wouldnt mind, could you delete this thread.
I have the text saved...Id rather just add it to this thread.

Thanks hardily and merrily.

Since the humour of the thread did continue in a quite positive way, I'm inclined to not to delete it.

Personally, I think the thread is a great stand alone topic. You wouldn't mind withdrawing your request to delete the thread would you Paulthekind?

[Heliotrope]

POSTED UNDER THE THREAT OF CENSORSHIP

Admins!
If you have a moment to spare and wouldnt mind, could you delete this thread.
I have the text saved...Id rather just add it to this thread.

Thanks hardily and merrily.

Since the humour of the thread did continue in a quite positive way, I'm inclined to not to delete it.

Personally, I think the thread is a great stand alone topic. You wouldn't mind withdrawing your request to delete the thread would you Paulthekind?

so Will, why do you write
POSTED UNDER THE THREAT OF CENSORSHIP

on some of your posts?
threat of censorship? Censorship from whom?

would anybody here censor what you write?

[Matt]

I definitely think pics are cool, the problem is that most are not able to judge how good or young they look in pictures of themselves and, as a result, are hestitant to post 99.999% of the ones they have on file.

When people see photos of them self they really do judge how they look in it. Not everyone is photogenic, but you can make yourself appear better to the camera by using a variety of methods. Heres a few steps http://www.wikihow.com/Be-Photogenic . Trust me, I am not photogenic at all, 95% of the pictures come out and I am making some sort of stupid face or I just hate it for some reason. But besides, cameras can't always 'capture' how you look in real life either, a lot of people tend to look better in real life than they do in pictures. High Megapixel pictures also make flaws stand out too. Most people can get a good shot of themself, you just have to experiment. I think I look better in a video camera, and younger than I do in pictures... So don't 'always' trust snapshots from cameras. But I'm sure if many tried they could get a good picture.

Would imminst members look younger than the average population? I sure hope so!

[thefirstimmortal]

POSTED UNDER THE THREAT OF CENSORSHIP

Admins!
If you have a moment to spare and wouldnt mind, could you delete this thread.
I have the text saved...Id rather just add it to this thread.

Thanks hardily and merrily.

Since the humour of the thread did continue in a quite positive way, I'm inclined to not to delete it.

Personally, I think the thread is a great stand alone topic. You wouldn't mind withdrawing your request to delete the thread would you Paulthekind?

so Will, why do you write
POSTED UNDER THE THREAT OF CENSORSHIP

on some of your posts?
threat of censorship? Censorship from whom?

would anybody here censor what you write?

My posts have been censored upon rentry, my threads moved without my consent, and several posts within my threads have been censored and for awhile my posts were subject to prior approval before they were even posted. The Freedom of Speech forum was and is supposed to be fixed at some point here so that they show up in the active topics lists, at which time all of my threads will be moved there. Until that actually happens, I am posting under the treat of censorship. When the forum has been restored, as promised, I should no longer need to use the warning in my own threads.

[thefirstimmortal]

POSTED UNDER THE THREAT OF CENSORSHIP

would anybody here censor what you write?

Actually, a recently as a few months ago, my topic Deathwatch and Poll was looking like it might be censored, or moved without my consent. I had Martin actually start the poll, but it was done on my direction, so you see, the threat is ever present.

[Brafarality]

POSTED UNDER THE THREAT OF CENSORSHIP

Admins!
If you have a moment to spare and wouldnt mind, could you delete this thread.
I have the text saved...Id rather just add it to this thread.

Thanks hardily and merrily.

Since the humour of the thread did continue in a quite positive way, I'm inclined to not to delete it.

Personally, I think the thread is a great stand alone topic. You wouldn't mind withdrawing your request to delete the thread would you Paulthekind?

Oh, alright!...as we say in crossword puzzle land...Stet!

[Brafarality]

Trust me, I am not photogenic at all, 95% of the pictures come out and I am making some sort of stupid face or I just hate it for some reason.

It just takes one photo to be photogenic, Mr. Wunderkind, and you have that pic!
In no way am I implying you look anything less than good in your other pics, it is just that you found the humdinger. It indicates that when the time comes for you to be a brand ambassador for the ImmInst, your own product line, Nivea or some other inchoate means of promo-ing skin care, you will be able to capture an image that will convince.
And, of course, it has nothing to do with money whatsoever. It will be simply satisfying!

You are the chosen one, Mr. Lake. By the time the world has warmed to life extension, I am thinking you will be the perfect age to be its spokesperson-
just a prediction.

Cheers.

[Brafarality]

I definitely think pics are cool, the problem is that most are not able to judge how good or young they look in pictures of themselves and, as a result, are hestitant to post 99.999% of the ones they have on file.

When people see photos of them self they really do judge how they look in it. Not everyone is photogenic, but you can make yourself appear better to the camera by using a variety of methods. Heres a few steps http://www.wikihow.com/Be-Photogenic . Trust me, I am not photogenic at all, 95% of the pictures come out and I am making some sort of stupid face or I just hate it for some reason. But besides, cameras can't always 'capture' how you look in real life either, a lot of people tend to look better in real life than they do in pictures. High Megapixel pictures also make flaws stand out too. Most people can get a good shot of themself, you just have to experiment. I think I look better in a video camera, and younger than I do in pictures... So don't 'always' trust snapshots from cameras. But I'm sure if many tried they could get a good picture.

Would imminst members look younger than the average population? I sure hope so!

Excellent link.
Here it is for those who find it lost in the clutter.

It is more of a bonding session between divorced housewives (I mean, people hung up on their perceived lack of photogeneity!) than a useful methodology for capturing photogenic images.
Actually, I take that back. Taken in the aggregate, the suggestions add up to something greater than the sum of their blandness.

Pretty cool.

[Brafarality]

POSTED UNDER THE THREAT OF CENSORSHIP

Admins!
If you have a moment to spare and wouldnt mind, could you delete this thread.
I have the text saved...Id rather just add it to this thread.

Thanks hardily and merrily.

Since the humour of the thread did continue in a quite positive way, I'm inclined to not to delete it.

Personally, I think the thread is a great stand alone topic. You wouldn't mind withdrawing your request to delete the thread would you Paulthekind?

Oh, alright!...as we say in crossword puzzle land...Stet!

I have to explain intention in a summary fashion, since it could seem like I am taunting those unwilling to post pics and nothing could be further from true:
I almost have to scream before pressing click when uploading photos, so am I ravaged by an innate lack of self esteem and massive self doubt, but I can do it now.

I just learned, very recently, to overcome insecurity about my often horrid pics and other aspects of my sad existence, for that matter.
It is pretty purifying.
Nothing left to hide.
You have seen me. You know what I am...can see into my eyes.
It makes me feel more akin to Van Gogh and Rembrandt than Nicholas Perricone.

Can something as simple as posting a silly photo online have such therapeutic value?
Unlikely. Me probably just amping up its value here since I just had an iced venti soy chai and I feel the burn!

Edited by paulthekind, 17 November 2008 - 12:11 AM.

[kismet]

Maybe some are unwilling to post not because of the difficulty in getting their pics taken in the clear, up-close, neutral , yet flattering manner for it to be useful, but due to the possibility of releasing their true-selves online. my family doesn't know i'm on a non-stream, radical website , on the fringe of science, since they're pretty much deathists and average/neutral with regard to "immortality" at best.

I think you mentioned this once before and I always wanted to comment. It's very sad that some of us need to fear some kind of witch hunt or damage to their reputation just because they support healthy life extension or even transhumanism. I would  take pride in telling the truth to be honest. Maybe you're just over reacting, you don't need to hide...

To some it may be a privacy concern when people can look up their name AND picture on the internet, but thousands of strangers have already seen *my* face when they passed me on the street and I wouldn't mind telling them my name if they asked.

[VictorBjoerk]

For me it is of no private concern as I've posted a couple of pics of myself here as well as my name etc. But of course if anything happened like eg someone said something negative to me one would of course remove pictures+account+blog immediately.

I think more members should post their pictures in the members forum photo subforum. I also think that someone talking about their excellent skin should post a picture of their skin to motivate people to follow their skincare advice etc...

Much more people will notice you when you walk in central park NY than finding you on this forum.

[Heliotrope]

Maybe some are unwilling to post not because of the difficulty in getting their pics taken in the clear, up-close, neutral , yet flattering manner for it to be useful, but due to the possibility of releasing their true-selves online. my family doesn't know i'm on a non-stream, radical website , on the fringe of science, since they're pretty much deathists and average/neutral with regard to "immortality" at best.

I think you mentioned this once before and I always wanted to comment. It's very sad that some of us need to fear some kind of witch hunt or damage to their reputation just because they support healthy life extension or even transhumanism. I would take pride in telling the truth to be honest. Maybe you're just over reacting, you don't need to hide...

To some it may be a privacy concern when people can look up their name AND picture on the internet, but thousands of strangers have already seen *my* face when they passed me on the street and I wouldn't mind telling them my name if they asked.

You're right. I think I mentioned this in a post saying HYP86's my screen name, and it's not the initial of my name or anything. So far I actually haven't revealed my first name in forums, but may do that. However, I prefer to go by alias, as I feel it's less restricting in what I write and talk about, kinda like a pseudonym or pen-name.

I'm not so much afraid of the "witch hunt" you spoke of as compared to a lil bit concern over reputation (one reason I did not reveal first, last names etc). I don't care if my parents know, b/c they're are the ones closest to me, and my own immediate family , only ones sharing a 0.5 , 1/2, or 50% index of consanguinity (as I have no sibling). I don't even really care if some further removed family members or friends know, but rather being revealed to some acquaintances, friend/neighbor who don't know me as well and are quick to judge.

Yeah, millions of ppl probably saw your face and you'd have told them your name. But would you tell them some of your deepest, darkest secrets?

Edited by HYP86, 20 November 2008 - 06:23 AM.