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#31 ak34

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Posted 24 November 2008 - 11:25 PM

Welcome to our world, a European nightmare for life extensionists may come true for you.
Still pretty strange that a completely harmless substance was banned.


It works, that's why it was banned


Customs and the FDA work together. All shipments coming into the US go thru customs. If it is food related like dietary supplements a certificate of prior notice has to be submitted to the FDA.
The FDA has to clear all imports on food, drug and unfortunatly nutritional supplements.

By the tone of this post, sounds like racetams might be done

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Posted 25 November 2008 - 12:34 PM

What about in Australia?

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Posted 26 November 2008 - 03:24 PM

Welcome to our world, a European nightmare for life extensionists may come true for you.
Still pretty strange that a completely harmless substance was banned.


It works, that's why it was banned


Customs and the FDA work together. All shipments coming into the US go thru customs. If it is food related like dietary supplements a certificate of prior notice has to be submitted to the FDA.
The FDA has to clear all imports on food, drug and unfortunatly nutritional supplements.


any new info???

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Posted 29 November 2008 - 08:10 AM

Maybe this is a stupid question, but why can't the exporters who import into the US simply label the piracetam that they are sending as not intended for human consumption -- call it cleaning powder or something...

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Posted 29 November 2008 - 09:12 AM

Maybe this is a stupid question, but why can't the exporters who import into the US simply label the piracetam that they are sending as not intended for human consumption -- call it cleaning powder or something...


Another company tried selling a quasi-legal recreational drug in the same way. Plant fertiliser I think. It did not work for long.

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Posted 29 November 2008 - 07:20 PM

Maybe this is a stupid question, but why can't the exporters who import into the US simply label the piracetam that they are sending as not intended for human consumption -- call it cleaning powder or something...


Another company tried selling a quasi-legal recreational drug in the same way. Plant fertiliser I think. It did not work for long.


I'm begining to think that we are worrying about nothing. Most places are still selling piracetam and the only place that is saying they wont be is Relentless Improvement. One reason customs may be holding supplies is becuase they do not know what piracetam is, and well, it is a white powder so do the math. Has anyone lately, in the past month, purchased piracetam and was not able to attain it (Domestic only)?

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Posted 01 December 2008 - 06:15 PM

I am not sure why everyone is contacting the FDA, I think they have enough problems to deal with at this time. The problem with Piracetam is that 1 and I mean ONE 2500kg shipment was returned to China.
Unfortunately this is the shipment that all of the U.S. manufacturers were using. It does not make sense to me that now everyone is screaming BAN to the FDA. Watch what you wish for, you may get it.



We have been getting smaller shipment in every 2 or 3 weeks, it’s a small supply but better than nothing.



Alright guys, here's the update.

Nothing solid, unfortunately.

The drugs department couldn't find any information on it either, except for a small article in 2002 saying it wasn't approved for use in the U.S., but according to the rep I talked to, that hardly means anything. She referred me back to the CFSAN (Center for Food Safety and Applied Nutrition) section of the FDA, but I had already talked to them and they weren't helpful so I'm kind of stuck.

To their credit, both reps took a LOT of time with me and genuinely tried to find more information. This last rep even went searching around online with me to find more info. But, no luck.

Apparently, piracetam is a very, very obscure drug/supplement. There may be some law hidden in the deepest vaults of the FDA, but I could not uncover it.

So, I guess the best I can do now is give you guys more information, maybe you'll have better luck.

Here's the direct email for the CFSAN: oco2@cfsan.fda.gov

If you want to reach CFSAN by phone, call this number: 1-888-463-6332. After pickup, dial 2, then 1, then 2 again into the phone menus.

Here's the best # to reach the drug/medicine branch of the FDA: 301 796 3400

Main contact page: http://www.fda.gov/comments.html

Supplement industry itself should contact them at this email: industry@fda.gov

Hope this helps! Sorry I couldn't get more info



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Posted 01 December 2008 - 06:23 PM

I am not sure why everyone is contacting the FDA, I think they have enough problems to deal with at this time. The problem with Piracetam is that 1 and I mean ONE 2500kg shipment was returned to China.
Unfortunately this is the shipment that all of the U.S. manufacturers were using. It does not make sense to me that now everyone is screaming BAN to the FDA. Watch what you wish for, you may get it.



We have been getting smaller shipment in every 2 or 3 weeks, it's a small supply but better than nothing.



Alright guys, here's the update.

Nothing solid, unfortunately.

The drugs department couldn't find any information on it either, except for a small article in 2002 saying it wasn't approved for use in the U.S., but according to the rep I talked to, that hardly means anything. She referred me back to the CFSAN (Center for Food Safety and Applied Nutrition) section of the FDA, but I had already talked to them and they weren't helpful so I'm kind of stuck.

To their credit, both reps took a LOT of time with me and genuinely tried to find more information. This last rep even went searching around online with me to find more info. But, no luck.

Apparently, piracetam is a very, very obscure drug/supplement. There may be some law hidden in the deepest vaults of the FDA, but I could not uncover it.

So, I guess the best I can do now is give you guys more information, maybe you'll have better luck.

Here's the direct email for the CFSAN: oco2@cfsan.fda.gov

If you want to reach CFSAN by phone, call this number: 1-888-463-6332. After pickup, dial 2, then 1, then 2 again into the phone menus.

Here's the best # to reach the drug/medicine branch of the FDA: 301 796 3400

Main contact page: http://www.fda.gov/comments.html

Supplement industry itself should contact them at this email: industry@fda.gov

Hope this helps! Sorry I couldn't get more info









Hmm, do you think it has to do with the quality of Chinese products? From what I hear, China's track record hast been very good lately...

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Posted 01 December 2008 - 07:20 PM

I am not sure why everyone is contacting the FDA, I think they have enough problems to deal with at this time. The problem with Piracetam is that 1 and I mean ONE 2500kg shipment was returned to China.
Unfortunately this is the shipment that all of the U.S. manufacturers were using. It does not make sense to me that now everyone is screaming BAN to the FDA. Watch what you wish for, you may get it.


Thanks for your insight. That's a very interesting observation - that all manufacturers rely on the same shipment. Is that really true? All manufacturers - BN, PrimaForce, Relentless, and so on, all use the same source?

If this is true, it is good news, and will save me money because I planned on trying a number of different sources to see if there is a qualitative difference, in lieu of a report from consumerlab

Please let us know, and thanks again

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Posted 01 December 2008 - 08:05 PM

I am not sure why everyone is contacting the FDA, I think they have enough problems to deal with at this time. The problem with Piracetam is that 1 and I mean ONE 2500kg shipment was returned to China.
Unfortunately this is the shipment that all of the U.S. manufacturers were using. It does not make sense to me that now everyone is screaming BAN to the FDA. Watch what you wish for, you may get it.


Thanks for your insight. That's a very interesting observation - that all manufacturers rely on the same shipment. Is that really true? All manufacturers - BN, PrimaForce, Relentless, and so on, all use the same source?

If this is true, it is good news, and will save me money because I planned on trying a number of different sources to see if there is a qualitative difference, in lieu of a report from consumerlab

Please let us know, and thanks again


I am pretty sure that almost all of the US manufacturers were buying from the same raw material supplier. I could see that when this supplier was out everyone else was out.
When 2500kg stuck in Customs for 4 weeks and rejected, everyone ran out. Shipment was rejected by customs; everyone thought it was a ban.
Because this shipment was a huge it probably drew attention from Customs and the FDA. Since when the FDA started researching Piracetam and did not come up with much it decided to play it safe and reject it.


Had the shipment had come thru another day of the week, been smaller or if someone else was on duty at the time it may have gotten thru without any problems.
The raw material supplier that was burned will not try to bring it in again because they took a $3000 hit on the freight charges.
I think if everyone calms down and does not blow this out of proportion everything will go on as they have in the past.
Maybe some of the smaller suppliers without the resources will have problems getting raw materials.

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Posted 01 December 2008 - 09:31 PM

I am not sure why everyone is contacting the FDA, I think they have enough problems to deal with at this time. The problem with Piracetam is that 1 and I mean ONE 2500kg shipment was returned to China.
Unfortunately this is the shipment that all of the U.S. manufacturers were using. It does not make sense to me that now everyone is screaming BAN to the FDA. Watch what you wish for, you may get it.


Thanks for your insight. That's a very interesting observation - that all manufacturers rely on the same shipment. Is that really true? All manufacturers - BN, PrimaForce, Relentless, and so on, all use the same source?

If this is true, it is good news, and will save me money because I planned on trying a number of different sources to see if there is a qualitative difference, in lieu of a report from consumerlab

Please let us know, and thanks again


I am pretty sure that almost all of the US manufacturers were buying from the same raw material supplier. I could see that when this supplier was out everyone else was out.
When 2500kg stuck in Customs for 4 weeks and rejected, everyone ran out. Shipment was rejected by customs; everyone thought it was a ban.
Because this shipment was a huge it probably drew attention from Customs and the FDA. Since when the FDA started researching Piracetam and did not come up with much it decided to play it safe and reject it.


Had the shipment had come thru another day of the week, been smaller or if someone else was on duty at the time it may have gotten thru without any problems.
The raw material supplier that was burned will not try to bring it in again because they took a $3000 hit on the freight charges.
I think if everyone calms down and does not blow this out of proportion everything will go on as they have in the past.
Maybe some of the smaller suppliers without the resources will have problems getting raw materials.



When do you expect to have aniracetam and centrophenoxine back in?

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Posted 02 December 2008 - 12:03 AM

I am pretty sure that almost all of the US manufacturers were buying from the same raw material supplier. I could see that when this supplier was out everyone else was out.
When 2500kg stuck in Customs for 4 weeks and rejected, everyone ran out. Shipment was rejected by customs; everyone thought it was a ban.
Because this shipment was a huge it probably drew attention from Customs and the FDA. Since when the FDA started researching Piracetam and did not come up with much it decided to play it safe and reject it.


Had the shipment had come thru another day of the week, been smaller or if someone else was on duty at the time it may have gotten thru without any problems.
The raw material supplier that was burned will not try to bring it in again because they took a $3000 hit on the freight charges.
I think if everyone calms down and does not blow this out of proportion everything will go on as they have in the past.
Maybe some of the smaller suppliers without the resources will have problems getting raw materials.


The fact that your telling me this makes me trust your company more. RI simply told me that it was banned and that I should stock up ASAP before they sell out. No rationale whatsoever.

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Posted 02 December 2008 - 01:33 AM

Word is that bulknutrition/1fast400 doesn't think they will be getting the racetams back in stock.

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Posted 02 December 2008 - 07:05 AM

Word is that bulknutrition/1fast400 doesn't think they will be getting the racetams back in stock.


Me thinks that they think that if they say they "DONT think" they will get any in stock, then you will think you need to buy some before they sell out in order for them to make a profit; but then again, that's what I think. :)

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Posted 02 December 2008 - 08:49 AM

Word is that bulknutrition/1fast400 doesn't think they will be getting the racetams back in stock.


Me thinks that they think that if they say they "DONT think" they will get any in stock, then you will think you need to buy some before they sell out in order for them to make a profit; but then again, that's what I think. :)


I saw something similar to that from a recent RI e-mail:

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Now for the good news- We have a limited supply of Oxiracetam in stock and available for immediate shipment. Automatic quantity discounts are still available when you order online at the link below.

These discounts will be going away as we continue to sell down our remaining inventory. If additional savings are important to you, you will want to order now.

**Once we are sold out, I do no expect to be able to restock Oxiracetam in the foreseeable future**

You are receiving this email and getting this "heads-up" notice because you are a valued existing customer and have elected to receive our email communication.


I don't understand why they would announce that they are running out of stock and further offer discounts to run out of stock even faster. If supply does not meet demand, then the logical thing to do is raise prices, not offer discounts. One offers discounts when demand exceeds supply.

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Posted 02 December 2008 - 11:39 AM

Word is that bulknutrition/1fast400 doesn't think they will be getting the racetams back in stock.


Me thinks that they think that if they say they "DONT think" they will get any in stock, then you will think you need to buy some before they sell out in order for them to make a profit; but then again, that's what I think. :)


I saw something similar to that from a recent RI e-mail:

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Now for the good news- We have a limited supply of Oxiracetam in stock and available for immediate shipment. Automatic quantity discounts are still available when you order online at the link below.

These discounts will be going away as we continue to sell down our remaining inventory. If additional savings are important to you, you will want to order now.

**Once we are sold out, I do no expect to be able to restock Oxiracetam in the foreseeable future**

You are receiving this email and getting this "heads-up" notice because you are a valued existing customer and have elected to receive our email communication.


I don't understand why they would announce that they are running out of stock and further offer discounts to run out of stock even faster. If supply does not meet demand, then the logical thing to do is raise prices, not offer discounts. One offers discounts when demand exceeds supply.


bulk nutrition didn't try to push any supplements on me. They've been out of aniracetam for awhile and so I asked specifically about aniracetam and received the reply that they didn't think any of the racetams would be coming back in. This sounds exactly like what NutraceuticsRX was saying, as they were all getting them from one place.

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Posted 03 December 2008 - 04:41 PM

We should have Aniracetam again in 2-3 weeks and Centrophenoxine in about the same time.


I am not sure why everyone is contacting the FDA, I think they have enough problems to deal with at this time. The problem with Piracetam is that 1 and I mean ONE 2500kg shipment was returned to China.
Unfortunately this is the shipment that all of the U.S. manufacturers were using. It does not make sense to me that now everyone is screaming BAN to the FDA. Watch what you wish for, you may get it.


Thanks for your insight. That's a very interesting observation - that all manufacturers rely on the same shipment. Is that really true? All manufacturers - BN, PrimaForce, Relentless, and so on, all use the same source?

If this is true, it is good news, and will save me money because I planned on trying a number of different sources to see if there is a qualitative difference, in lieu of a report from consumerlab

Please let us know, and thanks again


I am pretty sure that almost all of the US manufacturers were buying from the same raw material supplier. I could see that when this supplier was out everyone else was out.
When 2500kg stuck in Customs for 4 weeks and rejected, everyone ran out. Shipment was rejected by customs; everyone thought it was a ban.
Because this shipment was a huge it probably drew attention from Customs and the FDA. Since when the FDA started researching Piracetam and did not come up with much it decided to play it safe and reject it.


Had the shipment had come thru another day of the week, been smaller or if someone else was on duty at the time it may have gotten thru without any problems.
The raw material supplier that was burned will not try to bring it in again because they took a $3000 hit on the freight charges.
I think if everyone calms down and does not blow this out of proportion everything will go on as they have in the past.
Maybe some of the smaller suppliers without the resources will have problems getting raw materials.




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Posted 03 December 2008 - 07:52 PM

We have had relatively few problems getting the racetams in or out of the US at CerebralHealth.com. Just sent out a kilo of aniracetam earlier today to a customer. Still have piracetam and aniracetam in stock.

Edited by synapse, 03 December 2008 - 08:10 PM.


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Posted 04 December 2008 - 05:36 AM

We have had relatively few problems getting the racetams in or out of the US at CerebralHealth.com. Just sent out a kilo of aniracetam earlier today to a customer. Still have piracetam and aniracetam in stock.


I just bought my first batch of piracetam from BulkNutrition and haven't even tried it yet but really look forward to the many benefits I've read about. But now I get this from BN:
"All that we have in stock now looks like all that we will be able to get. FDA has regulated the importation of all the racetams because they are going to be used as prescription because the government wants to make some money off of them too. So, if you like it. You might want to buy some now."

This sounds awfully definitive. Is it really time to buy up a bunch? I won't be able to afford it once Big Pharma gets its grubby mitts on it.

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Posted 04 December 2008 - 07:29 AM

"Racetam Ban" Update, This may explain the reason for ractams being shipped to U.S.


IMPORTANT MESSAGE:

FDA Touts Efforts to Enhance Food Safety

http://health.usnews.com/articles/health/healthday/2008/12/01/fda-touts-efforts-to-enhance-food-safety.html

MONDAY, Dec. 1 (HealthDay News) -- Responding to criticism that it has done a poor job safeguarding the nation's food supply, the U.S. Food and Drug Administration released a report Monday detailing its efforts to protect consumers.

Among the most important changes in 2008 was the agency's initiative to build better relationships with state and local health departments to protect the food supply, said Dr. David Acheson, assistant commissioner for food protection at the FDA.

"Another big success is the strategic change we are making with regard to imports. What you could call the 'globalization of FDA,' which is shifting our emphasis on inspection on the port of entry only to more of a product-lifecycle approach," Acheson said. "We are focused on building the systems to better understand what's going on in foreign manufacturing."

U.S. consumers have been bombarded during the past two years with a series of worrisome headlines, ranging from milk products, blood-thinning medication and pet foods contaminated with the industrial chemical melamine imported from China; to jalapeno peppers from Mexico bearing the salmonella bacteria; to U.S.-produced spinach poisoned with the E. coli bacteria.

The new report updates progress made since the FDA unveiled its Food Protection Plan in 2007. Titled Food Protection Plan: One-Year Progress Summary, the document cites improvements in three areas: prevention of outbreaks of food-borne disease; intervention; and response to outbreaks. Some of the accomplishments include:

Prevention:

  • The agency said it's in the process of opening five offices around the world, to be staffed with its own inspectors, in China, India, Europe, Latin America and the Middle East.
  • The FDA participated in meetings in China to discuss food-safety issues in both countries and to share suggestions on ways to address global food safety.
  • It is hiring an "international notification coordinator" to serve as a liaison between the FDA and its foreign counterparts.
  • It has approved the irradiation of iceberg lettuce and spinach to control toxins such as E. coli.
  • It has developed tests to detect contaminants such as melamine and cyanuric acid.
On the intervention front, the FDA said it has inspected 5,930 high-risk food establishments in the past year; has developed a rapid detection test for E. coli and salmonella in food that's now being used in poultry-processing plants; and has expanded its database of "adverse drug events" to include "adverse feed events," to respond faster to outbreaks of feed-borne disease in animals, among other efforts.

As for its "response" efforts, the FDA said it's working with industry and the public to find better ways of tracing fresh produce in the food-supply chain; has hired two "emergency/complaint-response coordinators" to improve the agency's response to emergencies involving animal feed, including pet food; and has reached agreements with six states to create a "rapid response team" for food and food-borne illnesses.

In response to the threat of melamine-contaminated infant formula and milk products from China, the FDA said it has canvassed more than 2,100 stores stocking Asian products to remove them from store shelves.

Some critics think the FDA's food-safety efforts still don't go far enough.

"We were not a huge fan of some of the goals they laid out, so we are not a huge fan of the progress they've made," said Patty Lovera, assistant director of the consumer watchdog group Food & Water Watch.

Lovera thinks the FDA needs to have more independent authority to enforce food safety.

"They are too reliant on the industry," Lovera said. "They are really collaborating with the industry -- there is really not new regulation. There is not an overall commitment to enforcement domestically or abroad. This whole plan they are reporting progress on, we think is a step in the wrong direction."

Lovera said many of the food-safety problems that occurred this year highlighted the FDA's shortcomings. For example, late last week, the agency set acceptable levels of melamine in domestic infant formula -- one month after stating that no levels were acceptable.


"That's a month after they said, 'Oh, we don't think there is any safe level for infants.' Then magically, they said, 'Now we have a safe level for infants,' " Lovera said. "They are always in catch-up mode, they are always in response mode."

Jeffrey Levi is an associate professor at the George Washington University School of Public Health and Health Services, and a senior policy advisor to the consumer group Trust for America's Health. He said the new FDA report fails to offer enough guidance for what needs to be done to protect the food supply.

"The report does not rise to the level of providing a roadmap for the next administration about the challenges ahead, the resources that will be needed, and the milestones against which we can measure progress," Levi said.

The challenges to food safety are growing, Levi said. "Especially as we import more food, especially as the food-production system becomes more complex, we need a system that keeps up with that," he said.

Consumers Union, while acknowledging some progress, also said the FDA wasn't doing enough to protect the American food supply.

"The FDA needs a complete overhaul, including but not limited to vastly increased funding, far greater staff and much more frequent inspections of both domestic and foreign food processors," Consumers Union said in a news release. "While FDA's progress report states that the agency has inspected 5,930 domestic food establishments during fiscal year 2008, a January 2008 GAO report analyzing the Food Protection Plan states that there are 65,520 domestic food production facilities in the U.S. This means that FDA is still inspecting U.S. food production facilities only once every 10 years. At this rate, we would not be surprised to see more problems like the salmonella that was found in peanut butter manufactured at a Georgia processing facility in 2007."

Besides regulating drugs and medical devices, the FDA oversees about 80 percent of the U.S. food supply, including many foods grown abroad.

More information

For more on food safety, visit the U.S. Food and Drug Administration.
(edited by Matthias: threads 26167 & 25869 merged)

Edited by Matthias, 04 December 2008 - 12:13 PM.


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Posted 04 December 2008 - 03:29 PM

"Racetam Ban" Update, This may explain the reason for ractams being shipped to U.S.


IMPORTANT MESSAGE:

FDA Touts Efforts to Enhance Food Safety
......
"The FDA needs a complete overhaul, including but not limited to vastly increased funding, far greater staff and much more frequent inspections of both domestic and foreign food processors," Consumers Union said in a news release. "While FDA's progress report states that the agency has inspected 5,930 domestic food establishments during fiscal year 2008, a January 2008 GAO report analyzing the Food Protection Plan states that there are 65,520 domestic food production facilities in the U.S. This means that FDA is still inspecting U.S. food production facilities only once every 10 years. At this rate, we would not be surprised to see more problems like the salmonella that was found in peanut butter manufactured at a Georgia processing facility in 2007."

Besides regulating drugs and medical devices, the FDA oversees about 80 percent of the U.S. food supply, including many foods grown abroad.

More information
For more on food safety, visit the U.S. Food and Drug Administration.
(edited by Matthias: threads 26167 & 25869 merged)

Are you saying, then, that because the FDA is unable to inspect very much at all, they've basically just let the racetams slip into the US all this time? Have they suddenly awakened to the fact that the racetams are getting in and they must stop that? Or can we expect them to keep arriving unmolested?

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Posted 05 December 2008 - 12:34 AM

So, I was talking to Bulk Nutrition. They say in fact the FDA is going to ban racetams, making them only obtainable by prescription. He also said to keep an eye on Idebedone and phenibut down the road. Does anybody know what happens to products that are currently sold that contain any of the racetams as ingredients in a formula as opposed to say bulk oxiracetam? Just passing on information. Any thoughts?

the information from Bulk is what they were told from their manufacturer/importer

Edited by ak34, 05 December 2008 - 12:35 AM.


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Posted 05 December 2008 - 03:04 PM

So, I was talking to Bulk Nutrition. They say in fact the FDA is going to ban racetams, making them only obtainable by prescription. He also said to keep an eye on Idebedone and phenibut down the road. Does anybody know what happens to products that are currently sold that contain any of the racetams as ingredients in a formula as opposed to say bulk oxiracetam? Just passing on information. Any thoughts?

the information from Bulk is what they were told from their manufacturer/importer


One of our main suppliers at Cerebral Health is still willing to guarantee our shipments into the country. We currently have enough supply for some time, but it would be unfortunate if the racetams could only be obtained by a prescription.

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Posted 05 December 2008 - 03:43 PM

I just got off the phone with the FDA and the girl I spoke with said that there is no way for the public to know if there is an application in to regulate a particular substance (the racetams). Supposedly, its not disclosed to the public. She said that she is looking into the matter for me further and will get back to me.

Hard to say whether this is just a rumor or whether BN's racetam supplier got some inaccurate information.

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Posted 05 December 2008 - 04:15 PM

I just got off the phone with the FDA and the girl I spoke with said that there is no way for the public to know if there is an application in to regulate a particular substance (the racetams). Supposedly, its not disclosed to the public. She said that she is looking into the matter for me further and will get back to me.

Hard to say whether this is just a rumor or whether BN's racetam supplier got some inaccurate information.


GREAT!! Let us know what she says on the call back.

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Posted 07 December 2008 - 05:30 PM

Never got any further details from the girl from the FDA, but I have seen a spike in aniracetam demand as of late.

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Posted 08 December 2008 - 05:09 PM

Just got a call back from the FDA and they said that there is no way to really find out whether or not the racetams will become prescription only. They could neither confirm nor deny such a possibility.

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Posted 15 December 2008 - 06:16 PM

We should have Aniracetam again in 2-3 weeks and Centrophenoxine in about the same time.


I am not sure why everyone is contacting the FDA, I think they have enough problems to deal with at this time. The problem with Piracetam is that 1 and I mean ONE 2500kg shipment was returned to China.
Unfortunately this is the shipment that all of the U.S. manufacturers were using. It does not make sense to me that now everyone is screaming BAN to the FDA. Watch what you wish for, you may get it.


Thanks for your insight. That's a very interesting observation - that all manufacturers rely on the same shipment. Is that really true? All manufacturers - BN, PrimaForce, Relentless, and so on, all use the same source?

If this is true, it is good news, and will save me money because I planned on trying a number of different sources to see if there is a qualitative difference, in lieu of a report from consumerlab


Please let us know, and thanks again


I am pretty sure that almost all of the US manufacturers were buying from the same raw material supplier. I could see that when this supplier was out everyone else was out.
When 2500kg stuck in Customs for 4 weeks and rejected, everyone ran out. Shipment was rejected by customs; everyone thought it was a ban.
Because this shipment was a huge it probably drew attention from Customs and the FDA. Since when the FDA started researching Piracetam and did not come up with much it decided to play it safe and reject it.


Had the shipment had come thru another day of the week, been smaller or if someone else was on duty at the time it may have gotten thru without any problems.
The raw material supplier that was burned will not try to bring it in again because they took a $3000 hit on the freight charges.
I think if everyone calms down and does not blow this out of proportion everything will go on as they have in the past.
Maybe some of the smaller suppliers without the resources will have problems getting raw materials.









how do we look as far as the 2 or 3 weeks? still on schedule?

Edited by ak34, 15 December 2008 - 06:18 PM.


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Posted 16 December 2008 - 01:04 PM

We should have Aniracetam again in 2-3 weeks and Centrophenoxine in about the same time.


I am not sure why everyone is contacting the FDA, I think they have enough problems to deal with at this time. The problem with Piracetam is that 1 and I mean ONE 2500kg shipment was returned to China.
Unfortunately this is the shipment that all of the U.S. manufacturers were using. It does not make sense to me that now everyone is screaming BAN to the FDA. Watch what you wish for, you may get it.


Thanks for your insight. That's a very interesting observation - that all manufacturers rely on the same shipment. Is that really true? All manufacturers - BN, PrimaForce, Relentless, and so on, all use the same source?

If this is true, it is good news, and will save me money because I planned on trying a number of different sources to see if there is a qualitative difference, in lieu of a report from consumerlab


Please let us know, and thanks again


I am pretty sure that almost all of the US manufacturers were buying from the same raw material supplier. I could see that when this supplier was out everyone else was out.
When 2500kg stuck in Customs for 4 weeks and rejected, everyone ran out. Shipment was rejected by customs; everyone thought it was a ban.
Because this shipment was a huge it probably drew attention from Customs and the FDA. Since when the FDA started researching Piracetam and did not come up with much it decided to play it safe and reject it.


Had the shipment had come thru another day of the week, been smaller or if someone else was on duty at the time it may have gotten thru without any problems.
The raw material supplier that was burned will not try to bring it in again because they took a $3000 hit on the freight charges.
I think if everyone calms down and does not blow this out of proportion everything will go on as they have in the past.
Maybe some of the smaller suppliers without the resources will have problems getting raw materials.









how do we look as far as the 2 or 3 weeks? still on schedule?


I don't think we are all getting our supplies from the same manufacturer based on the posts above. At CerebralHealth.com we still have aniracetam in stock if you want to buy either in kilograms or in capsules combined with Alpha GPC.

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Posted 31 December 2008 - 04:04 AM

We now have in stock

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*** should be here early next week.


Tell me, do you provide COAs for any of your products or are we just meant to trust you?

Also, why do you charge $53.90 for 60x500mg caps of Phenibut when RelentlessImprovement charges only $22.99 and theirs comes with a full certificate of analysis?

How stupid do you think we are?

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