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[NootropicEU]

Hi,


I have been googling for some updates about SRT 1720 and found that it is for sale at Cayman Chemical Company, Estonia.

I guess it is not beeing sold to general public but it is not a big obstacle to obtain it. How can they sell it if its a patented product of Sitris Pharma?

Edited by Shepard, 18 March 2009 - 03:01 AM.
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[malbecman]

I don't believe they can. And..in comparing the structures, I don't think they are.

Here is the structure for SRT1720 (see attachment), compare it to the Cayman webpage link you sent. You'll notice the difference at the "top" of the compound. SRT1720 has 3 oxygen groups, methoxy esters, they are called.....

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[Wedrifid]

Nice. Get some and let me know how it works for you!

I'm having a hard time working out a suitable dose protocol for a 72kg human...

[tom a]

Hi,


I have been googling for some updates about SRT 1720 and found that it is for sale at Cayman Chemical Company, Estonia.

I guess it is not beeing sold to general public but it is not a big obstacle to obtain it. How can they sell it if its a patented product of Sitris Pharma?

I'm not sure how much the difference you point to solves the legal issues.

Even if the company avoids the patent infringement issue, its use of the name SRT 1720 would presumably violate trademark law, and its description of the product as SRT 1720 would likely constitute fraud.

I still wonder how they expect to be get away with this. Maybe Estonia is a little outside the orbit of the strict application of many of these laws, but this seems way too extreme to pursue with impunity.

Edited by Shepard, 18 March 2009 - 03:02 AM.
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[wydell]

Even if a U.S. patent has issued, a U.S. patent would only be applicable to U.S exports and imports, and sales within the U.S. Of course, there may be foreign patent rights as well if foreign applications have been filed . In addition, someone could take the risk of selling a product that may infringe the patent rights of another and challenge the validity of the patent if sued.

Hi,


I have been googling for some updates about SRT 1720 and found that it is for sale at Cayman Chemical Company, Estonia.

I guess it is not beeing sold to general public but it is not a big obstacle to obtain it. How can they sell it if its a patented product of Sitris Pharma?

I'm not sure how much the difference you point to solves the legal issues.

Even if the company avoids the patent infringement issue, its use of the name SRT 1720 would presumably violate trademark law, and its description of the product as SRT 1720 would likely constitute fraud.

I still wonder how they expect to be get away with this. Maybe Estonia is a little outside the orbit of the strict application of many of these laws, but this seems way too extreme to pursue with impunity.

Edited by Shepard, 18 March 2009 - 03:02 AM.
Edited at quoted poster's request

[NootropicEU]

Even if a U.S. patent has issued, a U.S. patent would only be applicable to U.S exports and imports, and sales within the U.S. Of course, there may be foreign patent rights as well if foreign applications have been filed . In addition, someone could take the risk of selling a product that may infringe the patent rights of another and challenge the validity of the patent if sued.

Hi,


I have been googling for some updates about SRT 1720 and found that it is for sale at Cayman Chemical Company, Estonia.

I guess it is not beeing sold to general public but it is not a big obstacle to obtain it. How can they sell it if its a patented product of Sitris Pharma?

I'm not sure how much the difference you point to solves the legal issues.

Even if the company avoids the patent infringement issue, its use of the name SRT 1720 would presumably violate trademark law, and its description of the product as SRT 1720 would likely constitute fraud.

I still wonder how they expect to be get away with this. Maybe Estonia is a little outside the orbit of the strict application of many of these laws, but this seems way too extreme to pursue with impunity.

As far as I know the company is based in Estonia which is in EU and has to comply with EU law. This product is only sold for research purposes and US law does not apply here. Appeareantly they can produce it in bulk, I will try to contact them tomorrow just to verify if it really is SRT1720.

I guess someone more familiar with the pharmaceutical industry could answer this question. Anyone?

Edited by Shepard, 18 March 2009 - 03:02 AM.
Edited at quoted poster's request

[NootropicEU]

I don't believe they can. And..in comparing the structures, I don't think they are.

Here is the structure for SRT1720 (see attachment), compare it to the Cayman webpage link you sent. You'll notice the difference at the "top" of the compound. SRT1720 has 3 oxygen groups, methoxy esters, they are called.....

I don't know where does your image of SRT1720 come from but the one I have got is identical to Cayman. Take a look:

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[NootropicEU]

I spoke to them today, appearently it is a big and reputable company which has distributors worldwide. Full info is at http://www.caymaneur...fs/10011020.pdf

The price stated on their website is quite high, I wonder if it's much cheaper when buying in bulk.

[edward]

I spoke to them today, appearently it is a big and reputable company which has distributors worldwide. Full info is at http://www.caymaneur...fs/10011020.pdf

The price stated on their website is quite high, I wonder if it's much cheaper when buying in bulk.

umm not just high but INSANE

[Brainbox]

Ha, that are prices along the line of reference sample prices...

[malbecman]

Sorry, yes, mine is SIRT1460, I got them mixed up.

Still, the prices are way,way, way too high to even contemplate using this.....

I don't believe they can. And..in comparing the structures, I don't think they are.

Here is the structure for SRT1720 (see attachment), compare it to the Cayman webpage link you sent. You'll notice the difference at the "top" of the compound. SRT1720 has 3 oxygen groups, methoxy esters, they are called.....

I don't know where does your image of SRT1720 come from but the one I have got is identical to Cayman. Take a look:

[gattaca]

It is possible, given those prices, that they are indeed paying royalties.

[RemotePhone]

Is it possible that those prices are for the monthly supply of pills in those dosages? ie. 1 month suppy of 10mg as opposed to just 10mg?

Sorry, yes, mine is SIRT1460, I got them mixed up.

Still, the prices are way,way, way too high to even contemplate using this.....

I don't believe they can. And..in comparing the structures, I don't think they are.

Here is the structure for SRT1720 (see attachment), compare it to the Cayman webpage link you sent. You'll notice the difference at the "top" of the compound. SRT1720 has 3 oxygen groups, methoxy esters, they are called.....

I don't know where does your image of SRT1720 come from but the one I have got is identical to Cayman. Take a look:

[niner]

Is it possible that those prices are for the monthly supply of pills in those dosages? ie. 1 month suppy of 10mg as opposed to just 10mg?

No. I'm sure that Sirtris/GSK would have filed extensively on this. There's no way Cayman could be selling pills. Even if it were a month's supply, it would still be insanely expensive! In the mouse experiments it was used at 100mg/kg, which does seem to call the "1000 times more potent" argument into question. These tiny quantities are purely for research or analytical purposes. The bulk price would undoubtedly be much lower, but you'd probably want to tell them it was for the little fat mousies.

[tom a]

Is it possible that those prices are for the monthly supply of pills in those dosages? ie. 1 month suppy of 10mg as opposed to just 10mg?

No. I'm sure that Sirtris/GSK would have filed extensively on this. There's no way Cayman could be selling pills. Even if it were a month's supply, it would still be insanely expensive! In the mouse experiments it was used at 100mg/kg, which does seem to call the "1000 times more potent" argument into question. These tiny quantities are purely for research or analytical purposes. The bulk price would undoubtedly be much lower, but you'd probably want to tell them it was for the little fat mousies.

Well, the suggestion that SRT1720 might be being sold only for research or analytical purposes might explain how Cayman could sell it without a license from Sirtris/GSK.

It's certainly not patent infringement simply to build an invention that is patented. It is only infringement when it is offered for sale. If other companies want to make SRT1720 entirely on their own, and do not intend to sell it, but only wish to analyze it, it's not patent infringement.

Now maybe an extension of this concept is that other companies can also make an invention, so long as it is, demonstrably, not being sold for the commercial purposes intended for the invention, but only for analysis and research. Certainly putting SRT1720 at this out-of-this world price would be the best possible evidence that it was not being sold for the intended commercial purposes described in the original patent, because it would be impossible to sell for those purposes at that price.

[Ringostarr]

To recreate or "make" a patented compound is definitely patent infringement. If they are making this compound, they are infringing.

Is it possible that those prices are for the monthly supply of pills in those dosages? ie. 1 month suppy of 10mg as opposed to just 10mg?

No. I'm sure that Sirtris/GSK would have filed extensively on this. There's no way Cayman could be selling pills. Even if it were a month's supply, it would still be insanely expensive! In the mouse experiments it was used at 100mg/kg, which does seem to call the "1000 times more potent" argument into question. These tiny quantities are purely for research or analytical purposes. The bulk price would undoubtedly be much lower, but you'd probably want to tell them it was for the little fat mousies.

Well, the suggestion that SRT1720 might be being sold only for research or analytical purposes might explain how Cayman could sell it without a license from Sirtris/GSK.

It's certainly not patent infringement simply to build an invention that is patented. It is only infringement when it is offered for sale. If other companies want to make SRT1720 entirely on their own, and do not intend to sell it, but only wish to analyze it, it's not patent infringement.

Now maybe an extension of this concept is that other companies can also make an invention, so long as it is, demonstrably, not being sold for the commercial purposes intended for the invention, but only for analysis and research. Certainly putting SRT1720 at this out-of-this world price would be the best possible evidence that it was not being sold for the intended commercial purposes described in the original patent, because it would be impossible to sell for those purposes at that price.

[NootropicEU]

Hi,


I have been googling for some updates about SRT 1720 and found that it is for sale at Cayman Chemical Company, Estonia.

I guess it is not beeing sold to general public but it is not a big obstacle to obtain it. How can they sell it if its a patented product of Sitris Pharma?

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Edited by Shepard, 18 March 2009 - 03:03 AM.
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[Anthony_Loera]

Hi Navigators,

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thanks
A

Hi Navigators....

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[FunkOdyssey]

All set, thanks Anthony.