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[OneScrewLoose]

I took some niacin today on an empty stomach, in the form of nictonic acid at 100mg. The most I experienced was my body warming (which felt nice). I then took another 100 and did feel any difference from when I took the first 100. Am I just weird?

[DukeNukem]

I took some niacin today on an empty stomach, in the form of nictonic acid at 100mg. The most I experienced was my body warming (which felt nice). I then took another 100 and did feel any difference from when I took the first 100. Am I just weird?

Had you just eaten? I've noticed a greatly reduced flush effect if I take niacin just after eating.

[OneScrewLoose]

I took some niacin today on an empty stomach, in the form of nictonic acid at 100mg. The most I experienced was my body warming (which felt nice). I then took another 100 and did feel any difference from when I took the first 100. Am I just weird?

[ajnast4r]

had you taken any aspirin or NSDAIS before hand? any anti-histamines?

[balance]

Take 500-3000mg of niacin on an empty stomach and you WILL get a flush .

[pycnogenol]

Take 500-3000mg of niacin on an empty stomach and you WILL get a flush .

I'm sure piet3r was joking.

Anyway...

You probably do not want to take 3,000 mg of niacin on an empty stomach unless specifically told to do so by your physician.

On the other hand, 500 mg on an empty stomach might be OK but I would first try 250 mg and see if that causes a flush effect
first before going up to 500 mg.

I take 100 mg currently but coming up I will be going up 250 mg and eventually go to 500 mg and will stay there as maintenance.

I take the Bluebonnet brand of niacin but will be switching over to the excellent Solgar brand when my Bluebonnet supply ends.

I take my niacin with food. The empty stomach thang ain't my thang.

Edited by pycnogenol, 07 January 2009 - 04:43 PM.

[4eva]

You are not weird but a number of different labels.

A grain eater, a slow oxidizer, an over methylator, a carb type, a histapenic.

The label depends on the approach you are looking at.

But you overmethylate, have low histamine levels, and your oxidative metabolism is slow.

Research methylation, orthomolecular medicine or metabolic typing for more information.

Metabolic typing can tell you what kind of diet is right for you and what supplements you need.

[Declmem]

Take the niacin with a warm beverage, such as hot tea. I read (on wiki I think) that this increases the incidence of flushing. Doing this I always get a rather severe flush using only 50mg of niacin. Down the niacin with hot tea, and then drink the rest, that should work.

One time I did this and afterwards had to take the first truly cold shower of my life. Not just lukewarm or room temperature - ice cold. My body was so flushed, the water didn't even feel cool.

It also makes my entire body go a bright red, which looks quite amusing to everyone else I'm sure.

I've heard that not getting a flush can be indicative of certain problems, but I'm no expert on it.

Edited by Declmem, 07 January 2009 - 06:31 PM.

[Advanc3d]

whats the purpose of getting a niacin flush?, isnt the flush what people avoid, hence they get flush-free versions?

[OneScrewLoose]

The niacin hurt my stomach a bit, so i'll try again later on down the line when it has finally healed (for those who haven't seen my previous posts my stomach is really messed up).

There is no way I have low histamine levels. In fact, they are quite high. When I scratch my belly and mosts parts of my body it turns bright red and last for up to 20 min. This comes from an abundance of histamine in my skin and body. I am a human etch-a-sketch. My doc told my taking zyrtec would make this go away but that didn't work. He also had a name for this problem. I am usually quite itchy and I used to get nervous rashes.

[4eva]

Yes, it is possible you have high histamine levels but need more 100 mg of niacin. You could have a zinc deficiency which would prevent you from flushing.

How much zinc carnosine are you taking for your ulcer? How much elemental zinc are you getting?

Nicotonic acid can be just like a histamine injection into your muscle, I've read. They use a histamine injection with the heidelburg capsule test because it does stimilate HCL production.

[OneScrewLoose]

I get 8mg of zing, twice a day, for a total of 16 from the zinc-carnosine.

Edited by OneScrewLoose, 09 January 2009 - 11:32 PM.

[4eva]

If you are a histadelic you should not take nicotinic acid. You should supplement niacinamide instead.

Zinc is known to help with wound healing. An ulcer is a wound. You might consider increasing your zinc intake through food and or supplements besides the zinc carnosine.

Nicotinic acid is useful to do the niacin flush test to get a sense of your histamine levels; but it isn't good for ulcers (as you have already learned).

[OneScrewLoose]

If you are a histadelic you should not take nicotinic acid. You should supplement niacinamide instead.

Zinc is known to help with wound healing. An ulcer is a wound. You might consider increasing your zinc intake through food and or supplements besides the zinc carnosine.

Nicotinic acid is useful to do the niacin flush test to get a sense of your histamine levels; but it isn't good for ulcers (as you have already learned).

So if I don't get a flush it indicates high histamine levels?

[4eva]

No, not getting a flush from 100 mg of nicotinic acid indicates low histamine levels. But if you don't have adequate zinc levels you may not flush; zinc is needed for the flush.

I've never heard of having a red mark left on the skin for 20 minutes as an indication of high histamine levels.

But I think it may be possible that you are low in zinc. If you had adequate zinc levels you might not have gotten an ulcer.

Of course a ulcer is also about too much HCL too. And too much HCL can be an indication of lack of buffers - like calcium and bicarbonates.

More calcium would help neutralize the excess HCL and help with your tooth enamel problems, I think.

Baking soda is sodium bicarbonate which can also be used to neutralize excess acid in your stomach.

So your histamine levels seem less important if you have a GI problem still and transparent teeth. But that is just my view.

[OneScrewLoose]

WTF? I don't have an enamel problem. And I don't have an ulcer, it's gastritis.

And I think my gastritis has more to do with 10 years of agonizing pain from undiagnosed celiac disease than zinc levels...but maybe I'm just crazy.

Also, my MD told me that the red marks left from scratching indicated high histamine levels.

Edited by OneScrewLoose, 11 January 2009 - 06:32 AM.

[4eva]

Sorry, I thought another thread here on transparent teeth (and problems with tooth enamel) was yours. My mistake.

I should check posting history before making assumptions next time.

[pycnogenol]

Dr. Davis has a new post on his excellent Heart Scan Blog about niacin.

Niacin Scams:

http://heartscanblog.blogspot.com/

Another article:

http://www.lef.org/m...2007_atd_01.htm

Edited by pycnogenol, 14 January 2009 - 04:54 PM.