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#1 Tech Mom

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Posted 22 January 2009 - 05:32 PM


Yesterday a member of my immediate family was diagnosed with a malignant melanoma on the scalp at the crown with a depth of 4.1mm. Not good. He is scheduled for surgery next week, but the schedule may change as he is researching hospitals nationwide and will transfer to whatever hospital has the greatest sucess rate with this condition. He is 57 years old and otherwise in excellent health. (Regular blood work results always extraordinarily good.)

Here is my question:

If you, or a member of your immediate family, were facing this diagnosis, what regimen of diet and supplements would you undertake? What major changes to your lifestyle would you make? This family member is an extremely disciplined person and willing to do anything that might help.

Our family is working to research these topics as quickly as possible, but if anyone has the time to point me in a few promising directions, I would greatly appreciate it.

Hopefully I've posted this in the right place. If not, please let me know. Also, let me know if I should be cross-posting this somewhere else.

Appreciate your time,

TM

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Posted 22 January 2009 - 07:34 PM

Check out some of the cancer threads listed on this page: http://www.imminst.o...showtopic=25218. A lot of reading but some good info.

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Posted 22 January 2009 - 07:35 PM

Get staging information, perhaps post it here. The most important treatment is surgery as quick as possible!
He should try to get it removed this week, tomorrow if possible, instead of researching the best hospitals.

The bad thing about melanoma is they may become very aggressive and standard therapy options and
prognosis would not be good in very advanced stages. At least, 4 mm doesn't sound advanced to me, and the good thing
about melanoma is that recovery is excellent and 100% cure is achieved if it is removed thoroughly at a
stage as early as possible. A large percentage of your chances are with surgery ASAP, but these should be very good.
You can discuss an excision area as large as possible with the surgeon if you're really concerned, but
again, chances look good if it gets removed immediately as it seems early-stage.

The currently most effective supplement against melanoma is genistein from soy. So get a genistein rich soy
supplement, perhaps also apply topically the time before the surgery.

Melanoma. Studies on the effects of genistein on human melanoma cancer cells showed that genistein is a powerful inhibitor of the growth of this cancer and that it stops the cell cycle as effectively as the chemotherapeutic drugs adriamycin and etoposide (Darbon et al. 2000).

Studying melanoma in mice revealed that genistein reduces the blood supply to lung tumors and has an additive effect with the drug cyclophosphamide. In laboratory rodents, genistein can reduce the growth of tumors by half through supplements and/or diet (Record et al. 1997).


Beyond that, the basics would be boosting the immune system (high dose Vitamin D is very crucial, he should take
at least 5,000 IU every day for a year regardless of the outcome) and using anti-inflammatory, anti-cancer herbal
extracts, some the most potent being Resveratrol, High-ECGC green tea extract and Curcumin. Also high dose
Omega-3 fish oil can prevent or mitigate metastasis risk in most types of cancer. Even I had an early stage melanoma
removed, which has a very good prognosis, I would be following such a regimen in the future to improve prognosis
and prevent further occurrences of cancer.

Again, 90-99% of the treatment is surgery - ASAP, but here are further links with plenty of material on adjuvant therapy:
http://www.lef.org/p....shtml#melanoma
http://www.lef.org/p...herapies_03.htm

All the best! :)

PS: Regarding lifestyle changes, aerobic exercise and immediately avoiding all sugar and simple carbs like the pest. Cancers feed on glucose, from sugars and carbs, and very efficiently so.

Edited by mixter, 22 January 2009 - 07:42 PM.


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Posted 22 January 2009 - 08:28 PM

Thank you both very much for the information so far.

I won't have staging information until after his initial surgery. Greater than 4mm is considered severe for melanoma depth. The scalp is also considered to be a particularly bad place to have melanoma. If they find that it has not ulcerated and has not spread, that would put the staging at 2b or 2c. If it turns out that it has spread, that would make it 3 or 4. I should have been more clear about the surgery schedule; if the schedule changes, it will be to a date that is sooner, not later. He's wrapping up his hospital research tomorrow.

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Posted 23 January 2009 - 12:30 AM

From my thread here: http://www.imminst.o...showtopic=24951

Multi-vitamin

Radiosensitizers:
Genistein
Curcumin
Green tea

Radioprotectors:
Amifostine and Sodium Selenite
Gingko biloba
Panax ginseng
Glutathione / Whey protein

Anti-Oxidants:
Black Raspberries
Green/White Tea
Resveratrol
Blueberry
Pomegranate
Cocoa
Lycopene
Grape

Supplements:
Selenium
Vitamin D3
IP-6
Fish oil
Quercetin
Melatonin
Vitamin E
Soy Genistein
Vitamin C

Spices:
Garlic
Curcumin
Turmeric
Capsaicin
Ginger
Pepper

Others, unreviewed:
High-potency fluoride mouth wash
Ave: http://www.avemarusa.com/index.html
Lactoferrin mega doses (3 grams daily)
I-C-3 mega doses
Flax seed lignans
Tagamet
Boswellia / 5-Loxin
Gamma Tocopherol w/Seseame Lignans
Grape Seed Extract
Phyto-Food (cruciferous vegetable concentrate)
Silibinin
GLA (gamma-linolenic acid)
Silymarin
Emodin
Ellagic acid
Metformin
St John's Wort extract
CoQ10 / Ubiquinol

Dietary and Behavioral Optimization and Other Advice:
NO DAIRY.
No sugar, candy, cookies, cake, fruit juice, or other sugary foods.
No starches: no rice, bread, potato, or pasta (only raw veggies).
No red meat. (high in iron)
15 minutes of sun per day.
Good fats/oils
No white egg (methionine = fuel for cancer)
Reduce stress

Edited by advancdaltruist, 23 January 2009 - 12:31 AM.


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Posted 23 January 2009 - 12:43 AM

He's starting immediately on a non-dairy ketogenic diet. I've seen the non-dairy aspect mentioned several times in my forum searches today. Is the dairy concern linked to dairy proteins? If that is the case, would dairy fats (i.e. butter and heavy cream) be okay?

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Posted 23 January 2009 - 09:29 AM

Butter seems to have some of the protein casein: http://www.celiac.co...php/t10945.html And this is one of the things in dairy that fuels cancer, if not the most important one. (At least lactose can, too). Perhaps he can try http://www.soynutbutter.com/, with plenty of genistein from soy meanwhile.

Once the operation won't find non-removable or far-away metastases, you can IMO ease up with the diet a bit, but in any case keep it ketogenic for a while to be on the safe side... You should get some of the supps like perhaps genistein, vitamin D and resveratrol, but don't need all unless you should find that complete removal isn't possible. It seems to me like you're reacting fast and doing everything necessary well at the moment.

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Posted 24 January 2009 - 12:33 AM

Butter seems to have some of the protein casein: http://www.celiac.co...php/t10945.html And this is one of the things in dairy that fuels cancer, if not the most important one. (At least lactose can, too). Perhaps he can try http://www.soynutbutter.com/, with plenty of genistein from soy meanwhile.

Once the operation won't find non-removable or far-away metastases, you can IMO ease up with the diet a bit, but in any case keep it ketogenic for a while to be on the safe side... You should get some of the supps like perhaps genistein, vitamin D and resveratrol, but don't need all unless you should find that complete removal isn't possible. It seems to me like you're reacting fast and doing everything necessary well at the moment.


I thought Soy was bad for your health? It might reduce the effectiveness of Green Tea and others claim it can affect your hormones negatively (on threads where people claim you shouldn't drink Soy Milk. So, what's the truth is soy good or bad?

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Posted 24 January 2009 - 07:51 PM

In general, soy has strong phytoestrogens and hence estrogenic action that may be undesirable, especially for men. OTOH, this makes it prevent estrogen-sensitive cancers, protect against toxic xenoestrogens and a useful help in menopause, like other phytoestrogens...

But, this is the most relevant melanoma study I personally know of, which documents strong action aginst a common pathway melanoma progression: http://www.jbc.org/c...ct/275/20/15363 (Distinct Chk2 Activation Pathways Are Triggered by Genistein and DNA-damaging Agents in Human Melanoma Cells)

This is why it seems everyone with melanoma should take plenty of high-genistein soy extract.

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Posted 24 January 2009 - 08:37 PM

I wrote already this at an other thread:

Melanoma is a very dangerous cancer with few medication options. There was an interesting study done with an old medication, mebendazole. It is used usually in worm infection and is a kind of mitotic spindle poison, that means it disrupts the mitosis. Mebendazole works selective against dividing cells of worms, but does not work in mammalian cells. The researchers have screened 2000 compounds already used in medicine for the their action on melanoma and mebendazole was the one medication with the strongest effect. It killed P53 independent, that means it was toxic for cells with and without P53 (M-14 and SK-Mel-19 cell lines). Here it works through the Bax pathway, phosphorylation of Bcl-2 occurs and prevents its binding to the apoptic Bax. (1)

It was highly selective for melanoma cells and what is very interesting, is that it worked in a concentration of 0.32 µM. I have read several claims for the average blood plasma concentration reached with oral mebendazole, some are claiming even the exceed of more then 1 µM but I am sceptic to this one, so a high intake of 1,5 g mebendazole together with 400mg cimetidine and a fatty meal or oil (for mebendazole) daily would probably be necessary to be partly sure reaching a high plasma concentration. The problem with this drug is that the plasma concentrations vary strong between individuals. I would start with a lower dosage for the beginning and observe side effects and then raise the dosage. Cimetidine has some effects on cancer on its own and it does slow down the degradation of mebendazole in the liver. (2, 3, 4)

Curcumin would perhaps also do some effects but only at several g intake and oily solution.
Elesclomol together with chemotherapy shows enhanced oxidative damage to melanoma. Don`t know if his doc can get this for him as kind of compassionate use.
I would try mebendazole, it was already used 2002 In a study to show some great effects against lung cancer and other in vitro and vivo. (5)

(1)
Mebendazole induces apoptosis via Bcl-2 inactivation in chemoresistant melanoma cells.
Doudican N, Rodriguez A, Osman I, Orlow SJ.
Mol Cancer Res. 2008 Aug;6(8):1308-15. Epub 2008 Jul 30.

(2)
Clinical pharmacokinetics of high dose mebendazole in patients treated for cystic hydatid disease.
Braithwaite PA, Roberts MS, Allan RJ, Watson TR.
Eur J Clin Pharmacol. 1982;22(2):161-9.

(3)
Plasma concentrations of mebendazole during treatment of echinococcosis: preliminary results.
Münst GJ, Karlaganis G, Bircher J.

(4)
Cimetidine increases serum mebendazole concentrations. Implications for treatment of hepatic hydatid cysts.
Bekhti A, Pirotte J.
Br J Clin Pharmacol. 1987 Sep;24(3):390-2.

(5)
Mebendazole elicits a potent antitumor effect on human cancer cell lines both in vitro and in vivo.
Mukhopadhyay T, Sasaki J, Ramesh R, Roth JA.
Clin Cancer Res. 2002 Sep;8(9):2963-9.

http://clincancerres...eprint/8/9/2963

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Posted 24 January 2009 - 11:52 PM

He's starting immediately on a non-dairy ketogenic diet. I've seen the non-dairy aspect mentioned several times in my forum searches today. Is the dairy concern linked to dairy proteins? If that is the case, would dairy fats (i.e. butter and heavy cream) be okay?

A hardcare ktogenic diet is step #1, no doubt. Also, stay away from any dairy product, as certain proteins within dairy may feed the cancer fire, if mice studies are to be extrapolated to humans.

I've posted in other cancer threads that I'd immediately start taking megadoses of IP-6 (5 grams daily -- an iron chelator, and cancer needs iron), resveratrol (one gram of pure RSV), vit D3 (40,000 IU daily -- do not continue at this level for more than five months, then drop to 20,000 IU daily), vitamin A (10,000 IU - note that A ad D3 need to be taken together), fish oil (8 one-gram capsules daily, LEF.org brand is best, IMO), and a gamma tocopherol weighted form of vitamin E, like this one.

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Posted 25 January 2009 - 09:01 AM

I agree strongly with the D3 recommendation but I would not recommend resveratrol, not for melanoma. While there are even here some hints in vitro it could help through radiosensitization and upregulating of TRAIL surface expression I would not take it. (1) In vivo it tended not to stop, but stimulate melanoma growth and lung metastasis (perhaps through its metabolite piceatannol) although they used a resveratrol sensitive melanoma cell line. For this in vivo study resveratrol was given in food and also as subcutaneous pellet next to newly palpated tumors. No positive effects. (2)

"Another possibility is the presence of the resveratrol metabolite piceatannol in the skin. We found that this compound can stimulate lung metastasis of a mouse melanoma cell line B16-BL6 when cells were injected into the tail vein of the syngeneic mice."


I would perhaps switch to more effective compounds like mebendazole and the plant stress hormone methyl jasmonate which works even toxic on melanoma cells in vivo and slows down the metastasis to the lungs. The only problem with methyl jasmonate is that it was given i.v. at a dosage of 75 mg/kg, but to be honest if I had melanoma there would just be few things I wouldn`t try. (3)

One other plant stress hormone is salicylic acid, the acetylated version (aspirin, ASA) is showing some properties against melanoma, its way of action underlines how important it is to avoid antioxidants during cancer therapy. (4)

"Our investigation suggests that quinone species, intracellular GSH depletion, ROS formation, and mitochondrial toxicity significantly contributed toward ASA selective toxicity in melanocytic SK-MEL-28 melanoma cells."

What is also interesting is terpinen-4-ol a compound from tea tree oil. (5)
A combination of several pharmaceutical agents should be used in order to hit the melanoma through different pathways.


(1)
Radiosensitization of melanoma cells through combined inhibition of protein regulators of cell survival.
Johnson GE, Ivanov VN, Hei TK.
Apoptosis. 2008 Jun;13(6):790-802.

(2)
Resveratrol is rapidly metabolized in athymic (nu/nu) mice and does not inhibit human melanoma xenograft tumor growth.
Niles RM, Cook CP, Meadows GG, Fu YM, McLaughlin JL, Rankin GO.
J Nutr. 2006 Oct;136(10):2542-6.

(3)
Effects of natural and novel synthetic jasmonates in experimental metastatic melanoma.
Reischer D, Heyfets A, Shimony S, Nordenberg J, Kashman Y, Flescher E.
Br J Pharmacol. 2007 Mar;150(6):738-49. Epub 2007 Feb 12.

(4)
Biochemical mechanism of acetylsalicylic acid (Aspirin) selective toxicity toward melanoma cell lines.
Vad NM, Yount G, Moridani MY.
Melanoma Res. 2008 Dec;18(6):386-99.

(5)
Terpinen-4-ol, the main component of Melaleuca alternifolia (tea tree) oil inhibits the in vitro growth of human melanoma cells.
Calcabrini A, Stringaro A, Toccacieli L, Meschini S, Marra M, Colone M, Salvatore G, Mondello F, Arancia G, Molinari A.
J Invest Dermatol. 2004 Feb;122(2):349-60.

http://www.nature.co...ml#figure-title

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Posted 17 August 2009 - 12:58 PM

Increased manganese superoxide dismutase expression suppresses the malignant phenotype of human melanoma cells


http://www.pnas.org/...7/3113.abstract

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Posted 03 August 2010 - 02:33 AM

I figured that after a year and half, it was about time for an update.

My relative had surgery but the melanoma had already metastasized to his liver. He's had various treatments and clinical trials. There is some cancer in his lungs, he just had a brain tumor removed, and he had several other tumors removed from his colon.

He is currently working on getting into a very promising clinical trial. He has to go three months without another brain tumor to qualify for it. Right now, he is recovering from surgery.

All of the advice I received from here before was extremely helpful, and he did seem to benefit from it. Is there anything new that you would recommend for someone like this? Specifically, is there anything that might aid his recovery from surgery? He would like to recover as quickly as possible in order to undertake further treatments.

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Posted 16 September 2012 - 09:17 AM

i understand how you feel... google "eat right for you blood type" this way of eating will help your friends body heal. and if you find "altcancer" you will find items to help there also.... good luck




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