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[niner]

Now I'll delightfully let it go...

Promise?

[sUper GeNius]

What does the SBA consider small?
The SBA considers a business to be "small" on the basis of numbers of employees, which could range from 50 to 1500, depending on the industry; or on yearly receipts, which could range from $750,000 to $35M, depending on the industry.

I think that a company with 1500 employees or annual receipts of thirty five million dollars is pretty large.

You are being misleading. Very very few SBA industry categories have 1500 employees as the limit. The overwhelming majority of industries are allowed fewer than 500 employes, with a very large number of industries having 100 employees as the top limit.

I gave the ranges, and provided a link to the source. What's misleading about pointing out that the high end is very high? Would it make you feel better if I said "A company with 50 employees or annual receipts of three quarters of a million dollars is pretty large?"

Anyway, here's some of your "emotional baggage" regarding small business taken from the SBA site.

These small enterprises account for 52 percent of all U.S. workers, according to the U.S. Small Business Administration (SBA). Some 19.6 million Americans work for companies employing fewer than 20 workers, 18.4 million work for firms employing between 20 and 99 workers, and 14.6 million work for firms with 100 to 499 workers. By contrast, 47.7 million Americans work for firms with 500 or more employees.

Well thanks for making my point. 80% of American jobs are at companies with more than 20 employees. So it's not exactly the little mom & pop outfits that are the backbone of America; it's substantial companies. Substantial companies whose owners make a hell of a lot of money, and don't need special tax breaks on top of the substantial tax breaks they already receive as "small" businesses.

You were misleading because you omitted critical information. You cherry-picked to support your point. The fact that something like three industries in the SBA definition allow 1500 employees makes the fact trivial.

I brought up small business way way back in order to refute your suggestion that the Republican party is pulling the wool over so many of it's members and getting them to vote against their own interest. I mentioned small business as a LARGE part of the Republican constituency, and made the point that small business is not naive. Roughly 150,000,000 people vote in Presidential elections. There are roughly 36,000,000 small businesses of less than 20 employees. Now if you consider some have multiple owners, and those owner's spouses often vote similarly, then it's clear that a very large percentage of Americans that vote are owners of business with less than 20 employees.

[niner]

You were misleading because you omitted critical information. You cherry-picked to support your point. The fact that something like three industries in the SBA definition allow 1500 employees makes the fact trivial.

The facts were right there, from the lowest to highest limits. You can call it "misleading" if you want, but that doesn't make it so. I wish you would stick to the point instead of endless nit-picking about things like this, or my heinous use of the term "small cap".

I brought up small business way way back in order to refute your suggestion that the Republican party is pulling the wool over so many of it's members and getting them to vote against their own interest. I mentioned small business as a LARGE part of the Republican constituency, and made the point that small business is not naive. Roughly 150,000,000 people vote in Presidential elections. There are roughly 36,000,000 small businesses of less than 20 employees. Now if you consider some have multiple owners, and those owner's spouses often vote similarly, then it's clear that a very large percentage of Americans that vote are owners of business with less than 20 employees.

This refutes nothing. I never said the Republicans were pulling the wool over all of its members, I said the lower socioeconomic classes, which small business owners mostly are not. What happened to delightfully letting it go?

[sUper GeNius]

What happened to delightfully letting it go?

I was referring to your small cap blunder. Kind of reminded me of Obama's bowling...

[niner]

What happened to delightfully letting it go?

I was referring to your small cap blunder. Kind of reminded me of Obama's bowling...

It wasn't a "blunder". You're just obsessed about a triviality. Do you nitpick in order to salvage a "win" out of a debate that you've lost on the main points?

[sUper GeNius]

What happened to delightfully letting it go?

I was referring to your small cap blunder. Kind of reminded me of Obama's bowling...

It wasn't a "blunder". You're just obsessed about a triviality. Do you nitpick in order to salvage a "win" out of a debate that you've lost on the main points?

Maybe a 'tell' is a better description. It revealed your business acumen, or lack thereof.

[niner]

What happened to delightfully letting it go?

I was referring to your small cap blunder. Kind of reminded me of Obama's bowling...

It wasn't a "blunder". You're just obsessed about a triviality. Do you nitpick in order to salvage a "win" out of a debate that you've lost on the main points?

Maybe a 'tell' is a better description. It revealed your business acumen, or lack thereof.

This thread has devolved into pointless sniping. I'm giving you the last word. Stop now or I will lock it down.

[sUper GeNius]

What happened to delightfully letting it go?

I was referring to your small cap blunder. Kind of reminded me of Obama's bowling...

It wasn't a "blunder". You're just obsessed about a triviality. Do you nitpick in order to salvage a "win" out of a debate that you've lost on the main points?

Maybe a 'tell' is a better description. It revealed your business acumen, or lack thereof.

This thread has devolved into pointless sniping. I'm giving you the last word. Stop now or I will lock it down.

Up, here comes the power play.

[sUper GeNius]

What happened to delightfully letting it go?

I was referring to your small cap blunder. Kind of reminded me of Obama's bowling...

It wasn't a "blunder". You're just obsessed about a triviality. Do you nitpick in order to salvage a "win" out of a debate that you've lost on the main points?

Maybe a 'tell' is a better description. It revealed your business acumen, or lack thereof.

This thread has devolved into pointless sniping. I'm giving you the last word. Stop now or I will lock it down.

Up, here comes the power play.

Jeez, you sure you can handle that editorial power you wield? Might want to consider abdicating...